Smooth move, Alabama

[Grave_n_idle]

Mexican bias? Math is not biased

Less workers, less crops. There's no bias

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

Interesting admission. I don't think you've ever been quite so open about this before. I'm not sure if it's refreshing to find that your xenophobia trumps your survival instinct, or a little sickening.

[Des-Bal]

Mexican bias? Math is not biased

Less workers, less crops. There's no bias

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

About 80% of field workers are illegal immigrants, that's not exactly a short term problem.

[Grave_n_idle]

Less workers is not a short term problem

okay then, what would you do then to fix this problem?

Which 'problem'?

[North Calaveras]

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

Interesting admission. I don't think you've ever been quite so open about this before. I'm not sure if it's refreshing to find that your xenophobia trumps your survival instinct, or a little sickening.

Xenophobia is the fear or hatred of strangers and foreigners. I don't hate or fear foreigners or strangers. Illegals are foreigners but i don't hate them for being foreign I hate them for being illegal.

[Third Mexican Empire]

Less workers is not a short term problem

okay then, what would you do then to fix this problem?

Repeal the law that caused the problem in the first place

[Grave_n_idle]

Interesting admission. I don't think you've ever been quite so open about this before. I'm not sure if it's refreshing to find that your xenophobia trumps your survival instinct, or a little sickening.

Xenophobia is the fear or hatred of strangers and foreigners. I don't hate or fear foreigners or strangers. Illegals are foreigners but i don't hate them for being foreign I hate them for being illegal.

"I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble..."

It is what it is. You want them out, even if it makes life harder for Americans. You can quibble semantics all you like, but you've already admitted your hate trumps your concern for any of the rest of us.

[AiliailiA]

Less workers is not a short term problem

okay then, what would you do then to fix this problem?

Stop regarding it as a problem.

Do YOU want a job below minimum wage? If so, it's your problem. If not, it's not your problem.

[North Calaveras]

Xenophobia is the fear or hatred of strangers and foreigners. I don't hate or fear foreigners or strangers. Illegals are foreigners but i don't hate them for being foreign I hate them for being illegal.

"I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble..."

It is what it is. You want them out, even if it makes life harder for Americans. You can quibble semantics all you like, but you've already admitted your hate trumps your concern for any of the rest of us.

Still not xenophobia

Americans have been through worse I'm sure they will get over it. I'm stil waiting for you to prove I'm xenophobic

[Third Mexican Empire]

"I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble..."

It is what it is. You want them out, even if it makes life harder for Americans. You can quibble semantics all you like, but you've already admitted your hate trumps your concern for any of the rest of us.

Still not xenophobia

Americans have been through worse I'm sure they will get over it. I'm stil waiting for you to prove I'm xenophobic

How many times will he have to?

[North Calaveras]

Still not xenophobia

Americans have been through worse I'm sure they will get over it. I'm stil waiting for you to prove I'm xenophobic

How many times will he have to?

Have to what? be wrong about me being xenophobic? By defintion I have not been xenophobic.

[Grave_n_idle]

"I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble..."

It is what it is. You want them out, even if it makes life harder for Americans. You can quibble semantics all you like, but you've already admitted your hate trumps your concern for any of the rest of us.

Still not xenophobia

Americans have been through worse I'm sure they will get over it. I'm stil waiting for you to prove I'm xenophobic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia

As for whether or not Americans have 'been through worse'... maybe, especially if the survived the Depression.

The difference, of course, is that we're deliberately creating this situation.

[North Calaveras]

Still not xenophobia

Americans have been through worse I'm sure they will get over it. I'm stil waiting for you to prove I'm xenophobic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia

As for whether or not Americans have 'been through worse'... maybe, especially if the survived the Depression.

The difference, of course, is that we're deliberately creating this situation.

I'm not listening to someone who calls me a xenophobe for no good reason.

[Grave_n_idle]

How many times will he have to?

Have to what? be wrong about me being xenophobic? By defintion I have not been xenophobic.

By your definition, perhaps.

Arguably, you're arguing well within other parameters: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/xenophobia

[NERVUN]

Gang... May I remind all and sundry that the topic of this thread is NOT about if North Calaveras is xenophobic or not? This is getting really close to threadjack territory. Post please, not poster.

[Altimaea]

What part of "don't deport people who don't commit crimes" don't you understand?

I'm an american-born citizen. My parents were born in this country. Their parents were born in this country. And the parents of their parents emigrated here legally. Learned the language, assimilated. Yet somehow, an illegal immigrant that doesn't speak english can hop a fence, and get government subsidies to go to college? In my eyes, this is a crime. American citizens can't get jobs because there are illegal immigrants who come here, work for a lower cost, and then send that money to their families back in mexico.

I can see both sides of the argument, but I find it hard to sympathize with people that want to give handouts to illegals, who don't even pay taxes.

+1

[Grave_n_idle]

Gang... May I remind all and sundry that the topic of this thread is NOT about if North Calaveras is xenophobic or not? This is getting really close to threadjack territory. Post please, not poster.

viewtopic.php?p=7252108#p7252108

NC raised the subject as a 'response' to the issue of labour shortages, etc.

*shrugs*

(However, I have gone ahead and deleted the next post I made about it.) Can we similarly put a nix on NC's hijack about how Conservapedia justifies ignoring all the data that doesn't meet his desires?

[Third Mexican Empire]

I'm an american-born citizen. My parents were born in this country. Their parents were born in this country. And the parents of their parents emigrated here legally. Learned the language, assimilated. Yet somehow, an illegal immigrant that doesn't speak english can hop a fence, and get government subsidies to go to college? In my eyes, this is a crime. American citizens can't get jobs because there are illegal immigrants who come here, work for a lower cost, and then send that money to their families back in mexico.

I can see both sides of the argument, but I find it hard to sympathize with people that want to give handouts to illegals, who don't even pay taxes.

+1

Even though nobody is giving illegals handout, and they DO pay taxes

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm an american-born citizen. My parents were born in this country. Their parents were born in this country. And the parents of their parents emigrated here legally. Learned the language, assimilated. Yet somehow, an illegal immigrant that doesn't speak english can hop a fence, and get government subsidies to go to college? In my eyes, this is a crime. American citizens can't get jobs because there are illegal immigrants who come here, work for a lower cost, and then send that money to their families back in mexico.

I can see both sides of the argument, but I find it hard to sympathize with people that want to give handouts to illegals, who don't even pay taxes.

+1

I'd encourage you to read the rest of the thread before you throw your lot in with arguments that have already been pretty substantially rebuffed.

[NERVUN]

Gang... May I remind all and sundry that the topic of this thread is NOT about if North Calaveras is xenophobic or not? This is getting really close to threadjack territory. Post please, not poster.

viewtopic.php?p=7252108#p7252108

NC raised the subject as a 'response' to the issue of labour shortages, etc.

*shrugs*

(However, I have gone ahead and deleted the next post I made about it.) Can we similarly put a nix on NC's hijack about how Conservapedia justifies ignoring all the data that doesn't meet his desires?

Yup.

And just to reiterate, no warnings official or non were handed out or implied. No kittens were harmed (much) in the making of this post either.

[Imperium Nova Roma]

Alabama proving once again it knows how to handle an infestation.

[Wikkiwallana]

Expect costs to rise

Cause Americans have such trouble feeding themselves. Please, there won't be any food issues.

Half of farmers' crops rotting in the field isn't a food issue?

[Wikkiwallana]

Mexican bias? Math is not biased

Less workers, less crops. There's no bias

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

Your definition of "little" is strange. Perhaps the word you were looking for is "quite"?

[Wikkiwallana]

So i suppose Conservapedia is fine to use then?

Missing the point. Check the links if you don't like their evaluations.

(Conservapedia mainly hyperlinks it's own articles, from what I recall - that's not a reliable sourcing paradigm).

In other words, rather than trying to poison the well, why don't you see if you can find an actual flaw in any of the arguments?

Because that would require making a rational argument, and there aren't any of those that support this law.

[Des-Bal]

Because that would require making a rational argument, and there aren't any of those that support this law.

Well there's the fact that it's doing exactly what it's designed to. Illegal immigrants are leaving the country in some cases and no longer doing illegal work.

[Wikkiwallana]

Interesting admission. I don't think you've ever been quite so open about this before. I'm not sure if it's refreshing to find that your xenophobia trumps your survival instinct, or a little sickening.

Xenophobia is the fear or hatred of strangers and foreigners. I don't hate or fear foreigners or strangers. Illegals are foreigners but i don't hate them for being foreign I hate them for being illegal.

And yet you refuse to consider altering what is legal instead of cutting off your nose to spite your face. That reeks of hatred or fear, if not both.