Smooth move, Alabama

[North Calaveras]

yeah right cause without those illegals America just can't hold itself up, i mean whatever would we do? lol

Expect costs to rise

Cause Americans have such trouble feeding themselves. Please, there won't be any food issues.

[Grave_n_idle]

Haha, yeah, fuck crops

yeah right cause without those illegals America just can't hold itself up, i mean whatever would we do? lol

Apparently... hope someone else will do the hard work.

By the way, putting 'lol' on the end of every nonsensical abortion of an 'argument' doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

[JuNii]

More Fuel for the fire.

http://news.yahoo.com/ala-loses-workers ... 04123.html

Hey lookee here... Job Vacancies... Go get em Americans! can't complain about dem damned Feriners taking yur jobs!

Cristian Gonzalez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, is a stay-at-home mother of four who lives in a mobile home in suburban Birmingham with her husband. They sneaked across the border in 2009 and planned to save money and eventually return to their home country.

"We're afraid to go to Walmart. I'm afraid to walk the kids up there to get the bus. I am afraid to drive," Gonzalez said.

Her husband worked as a brick mason and cook, but was recently unemployed. Now they have decided they probably will return to Mexico.

"We're just trying to be here one more year, but with this law ..." she said, her voice trailing off as she shook her head.

It sounds like it's working.

One of the bill's authors, Republican Sen. Scott Beason, said he expected short-term problems, but he has received "thank you" calls from two people who replaced illegal immigrants who fled their jobs. Beason predicts that trickle will become a rush.

Forgive me if I DON'T hold my breath for that 'rush'.

[North Calaveras]

yeah right cause without those illegals America just can't hold itself up, i mean whatever would we do? lol

Apparently... hope someone else will do the hard work.

By the way, putting 'lol' on the end of every nonsensical abortion of an 'argument' doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

no i just find it funny can I not do that? You do your silly ROFL faces and you have a problem with me using lol? Cmon, lets stay on topic good sir.

[Des-Bal]

yeah right cause without those illegals America just can't hold itself up, i mean whatever would we do? lol

At present minimum wage is too little for most Americans to do the hard labor and long hours that most agricultural and construction jobs require but it's too high for the jobs to be done as cheaply as we expect them too.

[Grave_n_idle]

Expect costs to rise

Cause Americans have such trouble feeding themselves. Please, there won't be any food issues.

There already are. Your ignorance is not an argument.

http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ent ... ation_law/

[North Calaveras]

Cause Americans have such trouble feeding themselves. Please, there won't be any food issues.

There already are. Your ignorance is not an argument.

http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ent ... ation_law/

Pretty ignorant to call me ignorant when im talking about food prices

THAT LINK IS ABOUT LABOR SHORTAGE

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

[Third Mexican Empire]

There already are. Your ignorance is not an argument.

http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ent ... ation_law/

Pretty ignorant to call me ignorant when im talking about food prices

THAT LINK IS ABOUT LABOR SHORTAGE

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

Do you know nothing about basic economics?

[Grave_n_idle]

There already are. Your ignorance is not an argument.

http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ent ... ation_law/

Pretty ignorant to call me ignorant when im talking about food prices

THAT LINK IS ABOUT LABOR SHORTAGE

I'm thinking, perhaps, you are ignorant of the meaning of the word ignorant.

What you said was: "Cause Americans have such trouble feeding themselves. Please, there won't be any food issues."

What I posted addressed that, there already are food issues - insufficient labour means harvest shortages. That's a food issue, on it's own, obviously - if the resource is depleted. But it also means prices will climb, because supply is dropping as demand is increasing.

It's basic math.

[AiliailiA]

yeah right cause without those illegals America just can't hold itself up, i mean whatever would we do? lol

At present minimum wage is too little for most Americans to do the hard labor and long hours that most agricultural and construction jobs require but it's too high for the jobs to be done as cheaply as we expect them too.

Yes. If it was impossible to employ anyone for less than minimum wage then some of those jobs would still get done but prices of the product would be higher. Some of the jobs wouldn't be done any more.

[Grave_n_idle]

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

The site hyperlinks to it's sources. Bias is irrelevant.

[Des-Bal]

Pretty ignorant to call me ignorant when im talking about food prices

THAT LINK IS ABOUT LABOR SHORTAGE

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

A labor Shortage means less goods go to market and they'll cost more when they do. The fact that the other shoe hasn't dropped yet is irrelevant.

[North Calaveras]

Pretty ignorant to call me ignorant when im talking about food prices

THAT LINK IS ABOUT LABOR SHORTAGE

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

Do you know nothing about basic economics?

Why should I listen to you who could very well have huge Mexican bias?

[North Calaveras]

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

The site hyperlinks to it's sources. Bias is irrelevant.

So i suppose Conservapedia is fine to use then?

[Des-Bal]

Why should I listen to you who could very well have huge Mexican bias?

Having a bias is a regrettable effective of having a pulse.

[Third Mexican Empire]

Do you know nothing about basic economics?

Why should I listen to you who could very well have huge Mexican bias?

Mexican bias? Math is not biased

Less workers, less crops. There's no bias

[Grave_n_idle]

Pretty ignorant to call me ignorant when im talking about food prices

THAT LINK IS ABOUT LABOR SHORTAGE

NOTE: Also curious about the bias of this site.

A labor Shortage means less goods go to market and they'll cost more when they do. The fact that the other shoe hasn't dropped yet is irrelevant.

Produce prices have been rising. I'm not saying that the labour shortage is the only contributing factor, but it seems unlikely it's not contributing at all.

[North Calaveras]

Why should I listen to you who could very well have huge Mexican bias?

Mexican bias? Math is not biased

Less workers, less crops. There's no bias

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

[Des-Bal]

So i suppose Conservapedia is fine to use then?

No because they typically don't have sources.

[North Calaveras]

So i suppose Conservapedia is fine to use then?

No because they typically don't have sources.

typically? meaning they do sometimes.

[Des-Bal]

typically? meaning they do sometimes.

If you want to use one of the quotes that actually has sources go for it.

[North Calaveras]

typically? meaning they do sometimes.

If you want to use one of the quotes that actually has sources go for it.

Never said I was going to, just saying that he said that Bias is irrelevant but the problem is that bias is VERY relevant.

[Grave_n_idle]

The site hyperlinks to it's sources. Bias is irrelevant.

So i suppose Conservapedia is fine to use then?

Missing the point. Check the links if you don't like their evaluations.

(Conservapedia mainly hyperlinks it's own articles, from what I recall - that's not a reliable sourcing paradigm).

In other words, rather than trying to poison the well, why don't you see if you can find an actual flaw in any of the arguments?

[Third Mexican Empire]

Mexican bias? Math is not biased

Less workers, less crops. There's no bias

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

Less workers is not a short term problem

[North Calaveras]

yeah true

I'd rather have no illegals and have a little bit of trouble for the short term.

Less workers is not a short term problem

okay then, what would you do then to fix this problem?