Jesus died for you.

[South Waxhaw]

To start off let's get all other religions out of the way. They all believe man is basically good. Which is not even close to reality.
Now then atheism: problem of energy coming from non energy- solved: creation. Problem of mans evil: solved: sin nature. Problem of morality: solved: from God

Energy isn't coming from nothing, it is generated by molecules and cells when they react to each other. Morals are something that every person has and will discover.

Also how is it accurate that everything revolves around the Earth and that the Earth is flat?

Is it a miracle that when you rub your hands together, the rubbing action produces warmth, is that a miracle that god created just now? Nope, it is a reaction of the cells of your body rubbing against each other, thus warming the air molecules.

(Sorry if some of the terminology isn't correct, English isn't my 1st language.)

Where do the molecules and cells come from? And also can we please keep this debate about the Bible and not beliefs the Catholic Church last held centuries ago?

[Candalia]

Okay a lot of these deal with evil. If I am understanding you are arguing that man is not evil. How then is there war all around? Why is there rape? Murder?

Because god likes to masturbate to those. Who are we to deny him his pleasure ?

Wouln't be the first time we see controversy in religion. Intercourse for pleasure and masturbation is a sin that will automatically send you deep into hell. So about lass than 1% of men will get to heaven.

[South Waxhaw]

So you're saying you know that God implied that?

If we take Genesis to be an accurate account of events, then it's obvious from God's words that he was misleading them.
Do you honestly mean to tell me that God said "Eat the fruit and you will die" and intended Adam and Eve to get any impression other than that eating the fruit would cause them to die?

I daresay it's a tad bit of a stretch to say we know implications from a translation of a language that's been dead for almost 2 mellenia

[Genivaria]

Okay a lot of these deal with evil. If I am understanding you are arguing that man is not evil. How then is there war all around? Why is there rape? Murder?

Because human beings are flawed animals, not children of any god.
It makes much more sense actually.

I prefer to think of mankind as the Enlightened Animals who are forever moving forward, the eternal struggle to improve ourselves.
Instead of sinful creatures who have fallen from grace.

[Dyakovo]

Because god likes to masturbate to those. Who are we to deny him his pleasure ?

Wouln't be the first time we see controversy in religion. Intercourse for pleasure and masturbation is a sin that will automatically send you deep into hell. So about lass less than 1% of men people will get to heaven.

Fixed

A girl or young woman.

A smaller amount of; not as much.

[The Alma Mater]

Because god likes to masturbate to those. Who are we to deny him his pleasure ?

Wouln't be the first time we see controversy in religion. Intercourse for pleasure and masturbation is a sin that will automatically send you deep into hell. So about lass than 1% of men will get to heaven.

Well, not necessarily. According to the Egyptians, the world was created by the god Atum-Ra masturbating. The Greeks and Romans certainly had a lot of stories where life occured when gods "spilled their seed". Etc. Etc.

So for some, masturbation is good

[Erinkita]

If we take Genesis to be an accurate account of events, then it's obvious from God's words that he was misleading them.
Do you honestly mean to tell me that God said "Eat the fruit and you will die" and intended Adam and Eve to get any impression other than that eating the fruit would cause them to die?

I daresay it's a tad bit of a stretch to say we know implications from a translation of a language that's been dead for almost 2 mellenia

Very true, but that cuts both ways. You can't invoke mistranslation solely on the parts you find inconvenient. If you're going to bring unreliability of language into question, everything in the entire book becomes untrustworthy.

[Candalia]

Wouln't be the first time we see controversy in religion. Intercourse for pleasure and masturbation is a sin that will automatically send you deep into hell. So about lass less than 1% of men people will get to heaven.

Fixed

A girl or young woman.

A smaller amount of; not as much.

I know the differences, just an innocent typo.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Where do the molecules and cells come from?

Molecules are formed of elementary "particles." Elementary quanta are just minimal perturbations in the quantum fields of nature. Quantum fields don't have to come from anywhere. No known mechanism can make them disappear. They could easily have existed since the beginning of time, if time had a beginning.

[Dyakovo]

Fixed

I know the differences, just an innocent typo.

Wasn't sure... You did say English wasn't your first language... Was actually trying to be helpful, not trying to be a dick...

[Candalia]

I know the differences, just an innocent typo.

Wasn't sure... You did say English wasn't your first language... Was actually trying to be helpful, not trying to be a dick...

Thanks to wonderful chances I can speak it almost as well as my native language, except for maybe the most scientific sentences.

It's okay, don't worry about it.

[Farnhamia]

If we take Genesis to be an accurate account of events, then it's obvious from God's words that he was misleading them.
Do you honestly mean to tell me that God said "Eat the fruit and you will die" and intended Adam and Eve to get any impression other than that eating the fruit would cause them to die?

I daresay it's a tad bit of a stretch to say we know implications from a translation of a language that's been dead for almost 2 mellenia

Hebrew isn't a dead language. People have been studying the Old Testament in that language continuously for millennia.

[South Waxhaw]

I daresay it's a tad bit of a stretch to say we know implications from a translation of a language that's been dead for almost 2 mellenia

Hebrew isn't a dead language. People have been studying the Old Testament in that language continuously for millennia.

A dead language is one that is no longer in common use and ancient Hebrew falls in that category
And I know it's been studied for mellinia. My father can read and write it

[Genivaria]

Is it just me or is there something romantic and inspiring about a tale of struggle and success.
We were once so small, little better then any other animal. And now look at us.

This quote by The Warrior Hearted says it well.

in all honesty, its because we are built 90% wrong for sruvival.

We dont have claws, we dont large teeth, we are weak, we are slow, we waste pointless energy on brains, and we are free game for anything bigger then us that is hungry.



So we changed the rules. No claws? Get a rock, smash it on another rock and suddenly you have a "claw". Too slow to hunt well? Put a "claw" on the end of a long stick and throw it. No natural way to stay warm in the cold? Rip the skin off an animal and wear it. Not enough? Rub two sticks together till you create fire.

Getting bored and tired of hunting? Plant a small seed, come back later and eat. Not efficient enough? do it on a large scale, take care of the crops, and eat on a more reliable basis.

Stone tools not cutting it anymore? Throw some bluish green rocks in a really hot fire and poor it into a tool shape. Makeyourself copper tools. Copper too rare? Make an even hotter fire, throw a few reddish brown rocks into it and hammer it into a shape you want.




And history continues like this to modern day. We are the ultimate underdogs. We started with nothing and changed the rules of survival. We decide what lives and dies, not nature. We took the future and are never going to give it up, it is ours now.

[DaWoad]

Energy isn't coming from nothing, it is generated by molecules and cells when they react to each other. Morals are something that every person has and will discover.

Also how is it accurate that everything revolves around the Earth and that the Earth is flat?

Is it a miracle that when you rub your hands together, the rubbing action produces warmth, is that a miracle that god created just now? Nope, it is a reaction of the cells of your body rubbing against each other, thus warming the air molecules.

(Sorry if some of the terminology isn't correct, English isn't my 1st language.)

Where do the molecules and cells come from?

abiogenisis----->big bang----->quantum theory
just because it's easier to say "creation!" doesn't mean it's right.

And also can we please keep this debate about the Bible and not beliefs the Catholic Church last held centuries ago?

er? you brought it up?

[South Waxhaw]

1: Source?
2: I assume you can provide evidence that all people are basically evil then?
3: Methinks you have no clue what atheism is...
4: Yay! Christianity solves a problem that it artificially imposes!
5: Only christians can be moral...

1.) He shouldn't (and probably won't) even bother. Outright fabrication.
2.) He most certainly can't. Statistically impossible.
3.) He doesn't. Not all atheists believe in spontaneous matter manifestation.
4.) Really convenient, IMO. They're never wrong because the problem never existed.
5.) The part that really insults me.

1) The Deadliest Moster~ J.F. Baldwin
2) You're right I can't. So name me someone who isn't
3) so how did the world come to be?
4) if man has no sin nature why are the youngest children most disobedient of all age groups?
5)I take it then you never have felt remorse over doing anything?

[South Waxhaw]

Where do the molecules and cells come from?

abiogenisis----->big bang----->quantum theory
just because it's easier to say "creation!" doesn't mean it's right.

And also can we please keep this debate about the Bible and not beliefs the Catholic Church last held centuries ago?

er? you brought it up?

Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever
And I did not bring up that

[Four-sided Triangles]

4) if man has no sin nature why are the youngest children most disobedient of all age groups?

Because the ideas that humans are essentially good and that humans are essentially evil are both extremely simplistic and represent a false dichotomy.

Also, I don't really see much evidence that the youngest of children are the most disobedient of all. Nonetheless:

1. Children who are sufficiently young, like less than 3 years old, tend not to be old enough to understand social norms yet, so they behave in an amoral, not an immoral, manner.

2. Being disobedient is not equivalent to being evil. Sometimes authority is wrong, and thus disobedience is the right thing to do.

See, this is what I mean about overly simplistic thinking.

[Candalia]

abiogenisis----->big bang----->quantum theory
just because it's easier to say "creation!" doesn't mean it's right.

er? you brought it up?

Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever
And I did not bring up that

Neither does creationism.

Then again, science is actually working on proving everything in the world that is scientifically correct.

[DaWoad]

1.) He shouldn't (and probably won't) even bother. Outright fabrication.
2.) He most certainly can't. Statistically impossible.
3.) He doesn't. Not all atheists believe in spontaneous matter manifestation.
4.) Really convenient, IMO. They're never wrong because the problem never existed.
5.) The part that really insults me.

1) The Deadliest Moster~ J.F. Baldwin

I very much doubt it and cite page please.

2) You're right I can't. So name me someone who isn't

who isn't evil? The vast majority of people aren''t evil. A specific example? Jack Layton.

3) so how did the world come to be?

big bang theory there are a bunch of subtheories including a cyclical universe theory and etc. Some atheists just say they don't know.

4) if man has no sin nature why are the youngest children most disobedient of all age groups?

because obedience is a learned trait.

5)I take it then you never have felt remorse over doing anything?

that doesn't follow

[Four-sided Triangles]

Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever

False. There is not yet enough evidence to conclusively decide which model of abiogenesis actually happened. However, we know of several that do work, and we know that it is possible.

[DaWoad]

abiogenisis----->big bang----->quantum theory
just because it's easier to say "creation!" doesn't mean it's right.

er? you brought it up?

Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever
And I did not bring up that

Abiogenesis has been performed in a lab setting.

you very much did:

Now then atheism: problem of energy coming from non energy- solved: creation. Problem of mans evil: solved: sin nature. Problem of morality: solved: from God

[Erinkita]

1.) He shouldn't (and probably won't) even bother. Outright fabrication.
2.) He most certainly can't. Statistically impossible.
3.) He doesn't. Not all atheists believe in spontaneous matter manifestation.
4.) Really convenient, IMO. They're never wrong because the problem never existed.
5.) The part that really insults me.

1) The Deadliest Moster~ J.F. Baldwin
2) You're right I can't. So name me someone who isn't
3) so how did the world come to be?
4) if man has no sin nature why are the youngest children most disobedient of all age groups?
5)I take it then you never have felt remorse over doing anything?

1) I'm gonna leave that one alone
2) I'm not. I suspect that you aren't either.
3)

The geological history of Earth is believed to have begun 4.567 billion years ago[1] when the planets of the Solar System were formed out of the solar nebula, a disk-shaped mass of dust and gas left over from the formation of the Sun. Initially molten, the outer layer of the planet Earth cooled to form a solid crust when water began accumulating in the atmosphere. The Moon formed soon afterwards, possibly as the result of a Mars-sized object with about 10% of the Earth's mass,[2] known as Theia, impacting the Earth in a glancing blow.[3] Some of this object's mass merged with the Earth and a portion was ejected into space, but enough material survived to form an orbiting moon.

Outgassing and volcanic activity produced the primordial atmosphere. Condensing water vapor, augmented by ice delivered by comets, produced the oceans.[4]

As the surface continually reshaped itself over hundreds of millions of years, continents formed and broke up. The continents migrated across the surface, occasionally combining to form a supercontinent. Roughly 750 Ma (million years ago),[5] the earliest-known supercontinent Rodinia, began to break apart. The continents later recombined to form Pannotia, 600–540 Ma,[5] then finally Pangaea, which broke apart 180 Ma.[5][6]

4) Are they? I would contest that. Also, disobedience =/= evil.
5) Why would you assume something like that? That's both insulting and random.

[Farnhamia]

1.) He shouldn't (and probably won't) even bother. Outright fabrication.
2.) He most certainly can't. Statistically impossible.
3.) He doesn't. Not all atheists believe in spontaneous matter manifestation.
4.) Really convenient, IMO. They're never wrong because the problem never existed.
5.) The part that really insults me.

1) The Deadliest Moster~ J.F. Baldwin
2) You're right I can't. So name me someone who isn't
3) so how did the world come to be?
4) if man has no sin nature why are the youngest children most disobedient of all age groups?
5)I take it then you never have felt remorse over doing anything?

Just on #4, that younger children are more disobedient (if they are and for that you'll need to provide sources) has nothing to do with "sin" or "God." All children try to get away with things. The ones born first are subjected to stricter rules probably because their parents are unsure of what to do and are worried about what might happen. As the parents acquire experience, they relax the rules, having learned that kids are pretty resilient. Of course, the older siblings are outraged by this, but such is life.

And on #5, remorse does not need Yahweh and his pronouncements from the mountain top. People in and of themselves are capable of remorse without the threat of divine punishment.

[South Waxhaw]

1) The Deadliest Moster~ J.F. Baldwin

I very much doubt it and cite page please.

2) You're right I can't. So name me someone who isn't

who isn't evil? The vast majority of people aren''t evil. A specific example? Jack Layton.

3) so how did the world come to be?

big bang theory there are a bunch of subtheories including a cyclical universe theory and etc. Some atheists just say they don't know.

4) if man has no sin nature why are the youngest children most disobedient of all age groups?

because obedience is a learned trait.

5)I take it then you never have felt remorse over doing anything?

that doesn't follow

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