Jesus died for you.

[Dyakovo]

To be honest, so do I...
It's just that I've been through all these discussions multiple times before in my 4+ years here and most of the time I can't be arsed to put in full effort countering arguments that I've heard (at minimum) dozens of times before... Not entirely sure what prompted me to put out the effort this time, especially since it was in response to you... Normally you just ignite my fire to be snarky...

I can understand you reasoning now. It makes sense.

Thanks. As I said, its not so much that I think he didn't exist as that I don't know and I find claims that we know that he did exist annoying...

Honestly, a number of my allies routinely take "time off" to recharge before they come back, so as to avoid becoming too snarky. I tend to post pictures to better approximate my initial reaction to the post so that I get my snark out.

I usually take the summer off from posting to recharge, the last two summers I haven't though...

The bolded bit pleased me quite a bit! It isn't often that a post gets an emotional response from me at all.

We may have more in common than we thought... I take a rather perverse pleasure from annoying people with my non-snarky posts... My snarky ones are pretty much me just dismissing my opponent and not being bothered to go through the effort of explaining why... They're really just me being lazy...

I'll through out the word "fucking" when it does and, unless I use that word, you can always be sure that I'm never doing anything but typing expressionlessly. And mostly from a pseudo-hypothetical approach where I throw a contentious statement out there and weigh it against the arguments from opponents I view as more intelligent than me (there are quite the number of them, actually).

Same here... I don't have nearly the amount of knowledge I wish I did...

[Cain-el Baek]

Too high a price? What really is here that is worth living for if not Christ? Sex? Money? Power? You cant take those beyond the grave! If you had a chance(tiny possibility) of going to paradise for eternity woudn't you at least give it a shot?

You lose nothing and gain everything!
Thanks for discussing it though!

Thats why we live life to the fullest. Because once your dead, thats it. Game over. So indulge and enjoy every minute of your life, pretty much the way I see it.

So you want to give up eternity so you can party yourself to death? Sorry i dont get it.

What it comes down to is youre not gonna believe a word i say cuz you have your beliefs and i am not gonna convert to your religion.

[Ashmoria]

but given the tiny possibility of any particular christian sect being right isnt the believer paying too high a price in THIS life for his chance of fooling a probably nonexistent god in the next?

Too high a price? What really is here that is worth living for if not Christ? Sex? Money? Power? You cant take those beyond the grave! If you had a chance(tiny possibility) of going to paradise for eternity woudn't you at least give it a shot?

You lose nothing and gain everything!
Thanks for discussing it though!

sleeping in on sunday. not giving money to support churches that do nothing but entertain people who do get up on sunday. not worrying about sin or random punishments from a irrationally mean god. living for one's own life and one's own plans.

no. the tiny hope that i could fool an unlikely god into accepting my faith-of-convenience is far too little a pay off for giving up all that.

[Dyakovo]

:lol: Im a christian, but why dont you attack hindus, Bhuddists,Muslims,Jews,Taoists,or pagans?¹ Why only us? Why only christians? Are you afraid of us, perhaps?²

1: Because most of the atheists here are westerners, thus it is (fundie) christians that are the ones that are trying to strip us of rights because of their beliefs.
2: Hardly.

[Dyakovo]

And may I see these people? Firstly, there are legitimate sources

Babylonian Talmud - Jewish accounts of crucifixion of one man named Jesus. Unless all those who claimed to be the Messiah were called YESHUA which is almost impossible

Tacticus wrote about a man, not a group of men. Grammatically, he referred to ONE person who probably stood out from all the rest(Tacticus, Annals 15.44 ). If he was serious about his work, he would've mentioned them too.

Flavius Josephus also wrote about "Jesus, brother of James." Here again: this time with a relation, and thus with a reference. He also talked about the Crucifixion of the same man. Another Jesus. Man, there were lots of Jesuses back then.

Secondly - Nobody wants to die a horrible death defending a some guy who does not give them any earthly benefit in the first place. St.Peter the First Pope and St.Paul the Non-Believer turned Apostle and all the other dudes with Him had suffered terrible deaths such as stoning, crucifixion, being skinned alive just because they said what they believed was true. Would you die a horrible death for what you know was a lie? I think not.

You may question his divinity, but you may not question his existence as guy who once roamed the Middle East.

All already debunked.

[Ashmoria]

aye

but pentacostal services are not boring. they are as utterly unlike a catholic mass as you can get and still be christian. (gotta go to the right one. there must be SOME boring pentacostal preachers)

I just googled them, pentacostal is those singing and dancing churches right? Resembles more a concert than a formal religious event though. I assume it appeals to the younger generation, since it seems to lack the heavy speeches.

it appeals to all ages.

the pentacostals have ecstatic services where people are consumed by the holy spirit and speak in tongues.

[Dyakovo]

Even if Christianity is fake christians have more to hope for than atheists. Also if we are wrong we just die(like atheists believe they will), if we are right we go to heaven, if you are wrong you go to hell. Even on a logical level Christianity makes more sense than atheism. Ever heard of Pascal's Wager? Of course it is a lot deeper than that.

Just keep an open mind, please.

Pascal's wager is bullshit.

[Drackonisa]

:lol: Im a christian, but why dont you attack hindus, Bhuddists,Muslims,Jews,Taoists,or pagans?¹ Why only us? Why only christians? Are you afraid of us, perhaps?²

1: Because most of the atheists here are westerners, thus it is (fundie) christians that are the ones that are trying to strip us of rights because of their beliefs.
2: Hardly.

Asian and atheist here!

o/

[Dyakovo]

1: Because most of the atheists here are westerners, thus it is (fundie) christians that are the ones that are trying to strip us of rights because of their beliefs.
2: Hardly.

Asian and atheist here!

o/

I did say "most"...

[Cain-el Baek]

Too high a price? What really is here that is worth living for if not Christ? Sex? Money? Power? You cant take those beyond the grave! If you had a chance(tiny possibility) of going to paradise for eternity woudn't you at least give it a shot?

You lose nothing and gain everything!
Thanks for discussing it though!

sleeping in on sunday. not giving money to support churches that do nothing but entertain people who do get up on sunday. not worrying about sin or random punishments from a irrationally mean god. living for one's own life and one's own plans.

no. the tiny hope that i could fool an unlikely god into accepting my faith-of-convenience is far too little a pay off for giving up all that.

Thats fine with me.

My pastor often says "good christians don't go church on sunday!" Christianity is more than goin to church and giving money or at least it should be. Unfortunatly chrisians dont always act like they know the one who created it all!

But again you wont let things influence you because you have your faith and i have mine. If you really want to have an open mind i challenge you to read all the scriptures"bible, torah, qu'ran, the budhists scriptures) than make your desicion! at least you will have given them a chance.

[Cain-el Baek]

Even if Christianity is fake christians have more to hope for than atheists. Also if we are wrong we just die(like atheists believe they will), if we are right we go to heaven, if you are wrong you go to hell. Even on a logical level Christianity makes more sense than atheism. Ever heard of Pascal's Wager? Of course it is a lot deeper than that.

Just keep an open mind, please.

Pascal's wager is bullshit.

Thats what i thought you would say!lol

you are not gonna believe a word i say because i am christian!

[The cold ice]

*shakes bag* no more popcorn left

okay to the point the answer to all of the questions is that just like every belief(scientific ones included) in the world there are plenty of reasonable arguments against Christianity

[Cain-el Baek]

*shakes bag* no more popcorn left

okay to the point the answer to all of the questions is that just like every belief(scientific ones included) in the world there are plenty of reasonable arguments against Christianity

Correct.

[Nullivan]

Pascal's wager is bullshit.

Thats what i thought you would say!lol

you are not gonna believe a word i say because i am christian!

We aren't going to believe a word you say because its bollocks.

[Ashmoria]

sleeping in on sunday. not giving money to support churches that do nothing but entertain people who do get up on sunday. not worrying about sin or random punishments from a irrationally mean god. living for one's own life and one's own plans.

no. the tiny hope that i could fool an unlikely god into accepting my faith-of-convenience is far too little a pay off for giving up all that.

Thats fine with me.

My pastor often says "good christians don't go church on sunday!" Christianity is more than goin to church and giving money or at least it should be. Unfortunatly chrisians dont always act like they know the one who created it all!

But again you wont let things influence you because you have your faith and i have mine. If you really want to have an open mind i challenge you to read all the scriptures"bible, torah, qu'ran, the budhists scriptures) than make your desicion! at least you will have given them a chance.

yeah im not interested in your evangelism. i was responding to your post about pascals wager.

do you really think that god as you understand him would be fooled by someone who pretended to believe so that she could get the goodies in heaven? doesnt he require ACTUAL belief?

[Dyakovo]

Pascal's wager is bullshit.

Thats what i thought you would say!lol

you are not gonna believe a word i say because i am christian!

Wrong. I'm nor going to believe a word you say because most (if not all) of what you said is absolute bullshit.

[Cain-el Baek]

Thats what i thought you would say!lol

you are not gonna believe a word i say because i am christian!

We aren't going to believe a word you say because its bollocks.

WELL in THAT case i wont believe anything you say cuz its bollocks

We are all gonna be biased toward our own beliefs!

[Cain-el Baek]

Thats fine with me.

My pastor often says "good christians don't go church on sunday!" Christianity is more than goin to church and giving money or at least it should be. Unfortunatly chrisians dont always act like they know the one who created it all!

But again you wont let things influence you because you have your faith and i have mine. If you really want to have an open mind i challenge you to read all the scriptures"bible, torah, qu'ran, the budhists scriptures) than make your desicion! at least you will have given them a chance.

yeah im not interested in your evangelism. i was responding to your post about pascals wager.

do you really think that god as you understand him would be fooled by someone who pretended to believe so that she could get the goodies in heaven? doesnt he require ACTUAL belief?

yes thats what i am saying that even on "your" playing field Christianity makes more sense!

You arent "evangelizing?"

[Stychia]

I agree with Christians, it's a good thing that Jesus died.

[Grave_n_idle]

We aren't going to believe a word you say because its bollocks.

WELL in THAT case i wont believe anything you say cuz its bollocks

We are all gonna be biased toward our own beliefs!

I'm not. I'm going to be biased towards whatever has the best logical underpinning, and the best evidence.

Pascal's Wager is bullshit. It assumes a dichotomy where none exists.

[Dyakovo]

yeah im not interested in your evangelism. i was responding to your post about pascals wager.

do you really think that god as you understand him would be fooled by someone who pretended to believe so that she could get the goodies in heaven? doesnt he require ACTUAL belief?

yes thats what i am saying that even on "your" playing field Christianity makes more sense!

No it doesn't.

[Cain-el Baek]

yeah im not interested in your evangelism. i was responding to your post about pascals wager.

do you really think that god as you understand him would be fooled by someone who pretended to believe so that she could get the goodies in heaven? doesnt he require ACTUAL belief?

yes thats what i am saying that even on "your" playing field Christianity makes more sense!

You arent "evangelizing?"

listen guys we could debate back and forth but 2000 years couldnt resolve this issue and i gtg so bye!

[Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia]

1: Because most of the atheists here are westerners, thus it is (fundie) christians that are the ones that are trying to strip us of rights because of their beliefs.
2: Hardly.

Asian and atheist here!

o/

Same here! Asian & Atheist myself.

[Dyakovo]

Asian and atheist here!

o/

Same here! Asian & Atheist myself.

Your both upsetting the (lack of) balance here...
*escorts them to the door*

[Genivaria]

Same here! Asian & Atheist myself.

Your both upsetting the (lack of) balance here...
*escorts them to the door*

Don't tase them bro.