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Ailiailia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
The good thing about the pressure is that you don't need as much material to support the weight, so long as the pressure is constant. Like I said, extremely large inflatable dome (maybe about 500ft in total area) would be perfect.

We should have an NSG group for those of us dedicated to space...

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Set the Unbound wrote:

Ailiailia wrote:

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

That is actually... practical! Twenty metres is a lot of protection from cosmic rays and micrometeorites, and enough to ameliorate temperature changes.

That said, I'm a bit fan of natural lava tube caves - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

Because I'm lazy and moving dirt is too much like hard work, even with robots.

If we could find a lava tube near the poles, it could become humanity's first permanent base offworld.

Even if we had to name it "Sarkozyville" or "Putinburg" to get the funding, it would be worth it...

Aquitayne wrote:Everyone is shit broke. We aint going anywhere.

Timurid Empire wrote:I don't really see any reason to establish a base on the moon, it has no resources or anything of use to us. Unless I'm wrong and someone can correct me.

Sjovenia wrote:Do you think that if NASA or America had enough money to go to the moon do you think we would have been/ or are able to have a moon base on the moon. And lets be real I'm not talking star wars Sci-Fi im talking modern day moon base kind of like a station but on the moon? I just want your feedback and your thoughts on this topic. if you can find pictures to go along with them then thats cool to but no droids and light sabers or aliens...lets keep it MT.

Ailiailia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
The good thing about the pressure is that you don't need as much material to support the weight, so long as the pressure is constant. Like I said, extremely large inflatable dome (maybe about 500ft in total area) would be perfect.

We should have an NSG group for those of us dedicated to space...

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

Zeth Rekia wrote:

Timurid Empire wrote:I don't really see any reason to establish a base on the moon, it has no resources or anything of use to us. Unless I'm wrong and someone can correct me.

Could turn it into a starport, or something.

With how useful humans are these days though, there's little point in doing anything with it. As they'll just fuck it up somehow. They do that to a lot of things they touch.

Grenartia wrote:

Ailiailia wrote:
This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

Actually, that's genious... honestly never would've thought of that...

And don't forget the duct tape.

Zeth Rekia wrote:Could turn it into a starport, or something.

With how useful humans are these days though, there's little point in doing anything with it. As they'll just fuck it up somehow. They do that to a lot of things they touch.

Actually, he's totally wrong. The moon has plenty of resources. Also, a permanent settlement on the lunar surface would require people to work together cooperatively...

Ailiailia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
The good thing about the pressure is that you don't need as much material to support the weight, so long as the pressure is constant. Like I said, extremely large inflatable dome (maybe about 500ft in total area) would be perfect.

We should have an NSG group for those of us dedicated to space...

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

Sociobiology wrote:

Ailiailia wrote:
This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

This method was proposed for mars years ago, and only requires a few meters there, that and you can manufacture regular concrete on the surface easily.

Sjovenia wrote:Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

Sjovenia wrote:Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

Tiami wrote:

Sjovenia wrote:Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Sjovenia wrote:

Tiami wrote:
We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Then wo posted above aboutgetting to mars and putting up a base. And gian magnetic field for the mission to mars...i konw we are talking about the moon and besides it doesnt have to be a base for military power it could be a base, camp, lab or more

Tiami wrote:

Sjovenia wrote:Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Sjovenia wrote:

Tiami wrote:
We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Then who posted above about getting to mars and putting up a base. And giant magnetic field for the mission to mars...i know we are talking about the moon and besides it doesnt have to be a base for military power it could be a base, camp, lab or more

Sociobiology wrote:

Ailiailia wrote:
This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

This method was proposed for mars years ago, and only requires a few meters there, that and you can manufacture regular concrete on the surface easily.

Sjovenia wrote:Do you think that if NASA or America had enough money to go to the moon do you think we would have been/ or are able to have a moon base on the moon. And lets be real I'm not talking star wars Sci-Fi im talking modern day moon base kind of like a station but on the moon? I just want your feedback and your thoughts on this topic. if you can find pictures to go along with them then thats cool to but no droids and light sabers or aliens...lets keep it MT.

Sociobiology wrote:

Tiami wrote:
We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

Sociobiology wrote:

Tiami wrote:
We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

Sjovenia wrote:

Sociobiology wrote:I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

Dude I don't care haha its still has to do with a base and outer space. That's better then light sabers and a death star.

Tiami wrote:

Sjovenia wrote:Dude I don't care haha its still has to do with a base and outer space. That's better then light sabers and a death star.

But you're supposed to stay on topic. If you want to talk about Mars, make a Mars thread.

Sjovenia wrote:

Tiami wrote:But you're supposed to stay on topic. If you want to talk about Mars, make a Mars thread.

Talking about Mars is more on topic then the whole ATV racing on the moon. Maybe you should look at yourself before you correct other people? Just saying hypocrite...I'm also a hypocrite in fact every one is. And by the way i realized what i did and before you quoted me i had actually corrected my grammar.