Moon base?

[Set the Unbound]

The good thing about the pressure is that you don't need as much material to support the weight, so long as the pressure is constant. Like I said, extremely large inflatable dome (maybe about 500ft in total area) would be perfect.

We should have an NSG group for those of us dedicated to space...

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

That is actually... practical! Twenty metres is a lot of protection from cosmic rays and micrometeorites, and enough to ameliorate temperature changes.

That said, I'm a bit fan of natural lava tube caves - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

Because I'm lazy and moving dirt is too much like hard work, even with robots.

If we could find a lava tube near the poles, it could become humanity's first permanent base offworld.

Even if we had to name it "Sarkozyville" or "Putinburg" to get the funding, it would be worth it...

[AiliailiA]

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

That is actually... practical! Twenty metres is a lot of protection from cosmic rays and micrometeorites, and enough to ameliorate temperature changes.

That said, I'm a bit fan of natural lava tube caves - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

Because I'm lazy and moving dirt is too much like hard work, even with robots.

If we could find a lava tube near the poles, it could become humanity's first permanent base offworld.

Even if we had to name it "Sarkozyville" or "Putinburg" to get the funding, it would be worth it...

Putinburg?

*shudder*

Imagine the awful awful space ballads ... it's got to be Putingrad.

Lava tubes look good, but we wouldn't exactly be "building" a moon base would we?

[Sjovenia]

They have had plans for moon bases and I think its possible...but we need the fundings as for naming it it would probably be International space station on moon or international space base soooo.....ISSM or ISB...haha or ISA International space on Anus now all we need is the Helghast.

[Volnotova]

Everyone is shit broke. We aint going anywhere.

I am not broke, the US government isn't broke, the major corporations of the world aren't broke en masse.

So, what led you to believe that?

[Zeth Rekia]

I don't really see any reason to establish a base on the moon, it has no resources or anything of use to us. Unless I'm wrong and someone can correct me.

Could turn it into a starport, or something.

With how useful humans are these days though, there's little point in doing anything with it. As they'll just fuck it up somehow. They do that to a lot of things they touch.

[Tekania]

Do you think that if NASA or America had enough money to go to the moon do you think we would have been/ or are able to have a moon base on the moon. And lets be real I'm not talking star wars Sci-Fi im talking modern day moon base kind of like a station but on the moon? I just want your feedback and your thoughts on this topic. if you can find pictures to go along with them then thats cool to but no droids and light sabers or aliens...lets keep it MT.

No, the Insectoids have several moon bases already up there, and they have a LBOA (Lunar Base Owners Association) that is absolutely evil, even more evil than the Insectoids themselves.... I mean, for example, they have a specific list of allowable paints based upon the reflective frequencies of it along the electromagnetic spectrum, all of which are outside of our visible wavelengths... and that is just one of the lighter rules. You're also requires to plant a shrub perimeter fence around your base... which is fine for them, the insectoids have plants which can survive in the near vacuum of the lunar surface.

[Grenartia]

The good thing about the pressure is that you don't need as much material to support the weight, so long as the pressure is constant. Like I said, extremely large inflatable dome (maybe about 500ft in total area) would be perfect.

We should have an NSG group for those of us dedicated to space...

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

Actually, that's genious... honestly never would've thought of that...

And don't forget the duct tape.

I don't really see any reason to establish a base on the moon, it has no resources or anything of use to us. Unless I'm wrong and someone can correct me.

Could turn it into a starport, or something.

With how useful humans are these days though, there's little point in doing anything with it. As they'll just fuck it up somehow. They do that to a lot of things they touch.

Actually, he's totally wrong. The moon has plenty of resources. Also, a permanent settlement on the lunar surface would require people to work together cooperatively...

[Zanarkenisia]

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

Actually, that's genious... honestly never would've thought of that...

And don't forget the duct tape.

Could turn it into a starport, or something.

With how useful humans are these days though, there's little point in doing anything with it. As they'll just fuck it up somehow. They do that to a lot of things they touch.

Actually, he's totally wrong. The moon has plenty of resources. Also, a permanent settlement on the lunar surface would require people to work together cooperatively...

We need to able to get off this planet eventually and settle beyond if we are the survive as a species.

[Sociobiology]

The good thing about the pressure is that you don't need as much material to support the weight, so long as the pressure is constant. Like I said, extremely large inflatable dome (maybe about 500ft in total area) would be perfect.

We should have an NSG group for those of us dedicated to space...

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

This method was proposed for mars years ago, and only requires a few meters there, that and you can manufacture regular concrete on the surface easily.

[Grenartia]

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

This method was proposed for mars years ago, and only requires a few meters there, that and you can manufacture regular concrete on the surface easily.

I just realized how long 20 meters is...thats about 60 fucking feet (using some rough guestimating)!!!

Personally, if nothing else, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to use extremely strong magnetic fields to deflect the radiation...

[Sjovenia]

Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

[Tiami]

Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

[The Corparation]

Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

Why do we need a giant magnetic field?

[Sjovenia]

Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Then who posted above about getting to mars and putting up a base. And giant magnetic field for the mission to mars...i know we are talking about the moon and besides it doesnt have to be a base for military power it could be a base, camp, lab or more

[Tiami]

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Then wo posted above aboutgetting to mars and putting up a base. And gian magnetic field for the mission to mars...i konw we are talking about the moon and besides it doesnt have to be a base for military power it could be a base, camp, lab or more

I'm tempted to go Grammar Nazi now.
Anyways, if you had quoted the post, I would've known.

[Sociobiology]

Yea but how much money would it cost for a giant magnetic field? Plus the distance to Mars and how much fuel the rocket can hold needs to be added to the planing of a mission to mars

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

[Sociobiology]

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

Then who posted above about getting to mars and putting up a base. And giant magnetic field for the mission to mars...i know we are talking about the moon and besides it doesnt have to be a base for military power it could be a base, camp, lab or more

You don't need a magnetic field to get to mars, If you want to start a separate thread about mars and not moon vs mars I will be there.

[Sociobiology]

We need radio telescopes on the dark side of the moon, it is the most radio quiet place in the solar system.

[Set the Unbound]

This simple method occurred to me while walking up to the shops. Pretend the soil behaves like a liquid. That's the worst case scenario.

Lunar gravity is 1/6 of earth gravity
Lunar "soil" is 3 times the density of water.
Depth of water to add 1 atmosphere of pressure. Turns out it's 10 metres almost exactly.
Lunar atmosphere adds negligible pressure.

10 m ÷ 3 x 6 = 20 meters of soil.

I'm not sure if that's enough. So you could use higher pressure inside (2 atm, 40 meters) or perhaps bring some glue and after inflating the dome, slather the outside with lunar concrete. Then cover it over.

Right then. Let's buy a Delta IV Heavy, some shovels, a big plastic bag, and some glue. We're gonna make a moon base

This method was proposed for mars years ago, and only requires a few meters there, that and you can manufacture regular concrete on the surface easily.

Manufacturing concrete on Mars?
(Googles)

That sounds easier than I would have guessed!

I don't suppose you have a copy of “Concrete - A Practical Construction Material for Mars” in pdf?

Concrete on the Moon sounds more challenging though, but with no atmosphere or storms piling dust is more practical...

[Moneyana]

Do you think that if NASA or America had enough money to go to the moon do you think we would have been/ or are able to have a moon base on the moon. And lets be real I'm not talking star wars Sci-Fi im talking modern day moon base kind of like a station but on the moon? I just want your feedback and your thoughts on this topic. if you can find pictures to go along with them then thats cool to but no droids and light sabers or aliens...lets keep it MT.

Yes, it is a project in thought, but gravity is their #1 enemy

[Tiami]

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

It's ok.

[Sjovenia]

We're talking about the Moon, not Mars.

I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

Dude I don't care haha its still has to do with a base and outer space. That's better then light sabers and a death star.

[Tiami]

I apologize for mentioning it, I was not trying to turn it into a mars vs moon thread.
I support both for difference reasons.

Dude I don't care haha its still has to do with a base and outer space. That's better then light sabers and a death star.

But you're supposed to stay on topic. If you want to talk about Mars, make a Mars thread.

[Sjovenia]

Dude I don't care haha its still has to do with a base and outer space. That's better then light sabers and a death star.

But you're supposed to stay on topic. If you want to talk about Mars, make a Mars thread.

Talking about Mars is more on topic then the whole ATV racing on the moon. Maybe you should look at yourself before you correct other people? Just saying hypocrite...I'm also a hypocrite in fact every one is. And by the way i realized what i did and before you quoted me i had actually corrected my grammar.

[Tiami]

But you're supposed to stay on topic. If you want to talk about Mars, make a Mars thread.

Talking about Mars is more on topic then the whole ATV racing on the moon. Maybe you should look at yourself before you correct other people? Just saying hypocrite...I'm also a hypocrite in fact every one is. And by the way i realized what i did and before you quoted me i had actually corrected my grammar.

ATV also contributes transportation to sites on the Moon. It's not too far off topic unlike Mars is. But seriously, this will turn into thread jack if we continue this conversation.