Why?Why do you all hate communism?

[Sanguinthium]

ffs, america is no paradice. capitalist america is not.
you guys have lost the point already; communism beats capitalism.
heres proof america isnt capitalist
capitalism advocates no government hand in economics. still with me?
say i want to get into the economic activity of heroin sales. oh wait. sorry, gonna go to prison. therefore, america is not capitalist.
the origional point i was posting under was the castro quote

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

[Lessnt]

ffs, america is no paradice. capitalist america is not.
you guys have lost the point already; communism beats capitalism.
heres proof america isnt capitalist
capitalism advocates no government hand in economics. still with me?
say i want to get into the economic activity of heroin sales. oh wait. sorry, gonna go to prison. therefore, america is not capitalist.
the origional point i was posting under was the castro quote

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

That is like saying a republic is not a democracy because all the power is not given to all the people.

[Sanguinthium]

Because communism, my friend, is a red herring. All of the major state-run "communist" countries were just that, state-run dictatorships that called themselves communist countries. So, in essence, no one really hates communism, they just hate how it was used and then associate the term with regimes such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc.

*Raises hand* I hate communism. I actually do find the theory to be somewhat anti-human and distasteful. It's attempts to vilify competition and individuality sicken me to the core.

it doesnt demonize individuality; capitalism is the part where you are allowed to fire people for being individuals.

[Useran]

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

Africa

South Africa

Latin America

Brazil

Asia

Japan.
(Not to mention China's increasingly capitalistic tenancies)


And your spelling is hilarious by the way.

[Occupied Deutschland]

ffs, america is no paradice. capitalist america is not.
you guys have lost the point already; communism beats capitalism.
heres proof america isnt capitalist
capitalism advocates no government hand in economics. still with me?
say i want to get into the economic activity of heroin sales. oh wait. sorry, gonna go to prison. therefore, america is not capitalist.
the origional point i was posting under was the castro quote

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

So unbelievably wrong.
Capitalism advocates the private ownership of goods. Laissez-faire Capitalism advocates LITTLE to no government intervention in the transfer/sale/etc of those goods.
Simply because a government makes some uptight moralistic laws doesn't make it Communist or Capitalist, it just makes it uptight and moralistic.

Edit: Not to mention, that Fidel quote is so full of epic pro-Capitalist anti-Commie win ever. "It causes war (sure, whatever), hypocrisy (I'll take him at his word here) and COMPETITION"(emphasis mine)
Competition! Lord knows humanity has suffered at the hands of competition for too long!

[Sanguinthium]

ffs, america is no paradice. capitalist america is not.
you guys have lost the point already; communism beats capitalism.
heres proof america isnt capitalist
capitalism advocates no government hand in economics. still with me?
say i want to get into the economic activity of heroin sales. oh wait. sorry, gonna go to prison. therefore, america is not capitalist.
the origional point i was posting under was the castro quote

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

That is like saying a republic is not a democracy because all the power is not given to all the people.

by definition, a democracy has every decicion made referendum. everybody votes. not the same as a republic, where a group vote for everybody. in fact, a republic is less-free than a democracy!

and now for a lenin quote
Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.
-lenin

or perhaps

Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps
-lenin

[Sanguinthium]

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

Africa

South Africa

Latin America

Brazil

Asia

Japan.
(Not to mention China's increasingly capitalistic tenancies)


And your spelling is hilarious by the way.

little high.

but anyway, when the quote was made... S. Africa was in apartheid, japan was terrible, and brazil was worse.

but anyway, you only managed to name 3 countries in the regions of millions (or in asia) billions of people?

[The Warrior Hearted]

That is like saying a republic is not a democracy because all the power is not given to all the people.

by definition, a democracy has every decicion made referendum. everybody votes. not the same as a republic, where a group vote for everybody. in fact, a republic is less-free than a democracy!

and now for a lenin quote
Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.
-lenin

or perhaps

Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps
-lenin

that last one is entirely possible

tie a rope to your shoes and a 400lb weight, put the rope over a pully on the edge of a cliff, and throw the wight over the edge of the cliff and watch the world turn upside down

[The Murtunian Tribes]

ffs, america is no paradice. capitalist america is not.
you guys have lost the point already; communism beats capitalism.
heres proof america isnt capitalist
capitalism advocates no government hand in economics. still with me?
say i want to get into the economic activity of heroin sales. oh wait. sorry, gonna go to prison. therefore, america is not capitalist.
the origional point i was posting under was the castro quote

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

NO, you're missing the point. Capitalism sucks. That doesn't mean capitalism<communism.

[Useran]

and now for a lenin quote
Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.
-lenin

or perhaps

Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps
-lenin

So because you have lost the argument you are going to resort to letting a mass-murdering dead man speak for you rather than form your own argument?

Pathetic

[Sanguinthium]

and now for a lenin quote
Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.
-lenin

or perhaps

Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps
-lenin

So because you have lost the argument you are going to resort to letting a mass-murdering dead man speak for you rather than form your own argument?

Pathetic

mass murdering..

that would be stalin, friend. the closest thing to murder lenin did was have the Czar + family executed.

i havent lost anything; youve just lost logic, and ive lost sobriety as a result.
infact, you resort to flaming in response to logic; i find this highly amusing

[Useran]

i havent lost anything; youve just lost logic, and ive lost sobriety as a result.

You appear to have given up your little fit about Cuba being so superior to the US after we pointed out that your source was bullshit.

You then reverted to quoting Fidel and then Lenin rather than forming a rebuttal.

[Sanguinthium]

i havent lost anything; youve just lost logic, and ive lost sobriety as a result.

You appear to have given up your little fit about Cuba being so superior to the US after we pointed out that your source was bullshit.

You then reverted to quoting Fidel and then Lenin rather than forming a rebuttal.

atleast i have a sourse and arent flaming.

Fascism is capitalism in decay, fellow human.

[Useran]

atleast i have a sourse and arent flaming.

Fascism is capitalism in decay, fellow human.

Nobody is flaming, but someone is certainly talking out of their ass.

And a "sourse" is not a true "source" if it has no credibility.

[The Warrior Hearted]

You appear to have given up your little fit about Cuba being so superior to the US after we pointed out that your source was bullshit.

You then reverted to quoting Fidel and then Lenin rather than forming a rebuttal.

atleast i have a sourse and arent flaming.

Fascism is capitalism in decay, fellow human.

after that post...


your argument...

*kerflush*
*gurgle gurgle swirl gurgle*

[The Murtunian Tribes]

and now for a lenin quote
Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.
-lenin

or perhaps

Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps
-lenin

So because you have lost the argument you are going to resort to letting a mass-murdering dead man speak for you rather than form your own argument?

Pathetic

Meh, revolutions are always messy. I've never understood this idea that Lenin killing a lot of people was a bad thing in it of itself.

[Terra Agora]

ffs, america is no paradice. capitalist america is not.
you guys have lost the point already; communism beats capitalism.
heres proof america isnt capitalist
capitalism advocates no government hand in economics. still with me?
say i want to get into the economic activity of heroin sales. oh wait. sorry, gonna go to prison. therefore, america is not capitalist.
the origional point i was posting under was the castro quote

"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America"
and my original point was that capitalism hurts the world.

I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition.
-Fidel.

Everything bolded is wrong.

[Useran]

Meh, revolutions are always messy. I've never understood this idea that Lenin killing a lot of people was a bad thing in it of itself.

I'm just one of those people under the opinion that a Tsarist Russia may have eventually turned into a better Russia by today.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Meh, revolutions are always messy. I've never understood this idea that Lenin killing a lot of people was a bad thing in it of itself.

I'm just one of those people under the opinion that a Czarist Russia may have eventually turned into a better Russia by today.

Maybe. Maybe not. 100 years of hypothetical situations is a bit silly to imagine.

[Useran]

I'm just one of those people under the opinion that a Czarist Russia may have eventually turned into a better Russia by today.

Maybe. Maybe not. 100 years of hypothetical situations is a bit silly to imagine.

Well that's where the "may" part comes in. I agree though that it's all hypothetical. Perhaps under a Tsar Russia would have broken into a bunch of tiny states in Balkan level poverty, or perhaps it could have rivaled the modern day US and China.

But again you're right and this is all speculation.

[Sanguinthium]

alright; you want a real argument? lets go.

Capitalism is meant to generate capital at the expense of others; for every pair of nikes you buy, theres some kid in cambodia or guatemala or something, who is paid a nickle an hour to sew, whos 12 year old sister prostitutes herself so her family can eat; in a socialist country, none of these things happen;
for every computer you invent, you can be sure that it will be manufactured in the third world;
if 800,000,000 people are starving, you can be sure it is at capitalisms expense.

again; the only people 'murdered' by lenin was the Tsar and family; and that was to end a bloody civil war; you cant call him a mass murderer, when he executed 6 people that was questionable.

If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years.

[Lessnt]

Meh, revolutions are always messy. I've never understood this idea that Lenin killing a lot of people was a bad thing in it of itself.

I'm just one of those people under the opinion that a Tsarist Russia may have eventually turned into a better Russia by today.

Because...mass murder bad.
Would you be fine with the state murdering your family?

[Divair]

if 800,000,000 people are starving, you can be sure it is at capitalisms expense.

*Cough* Ukraine famines *Cough*

[The Warrior Hearted]

alright; you want a real argument? lets go.

Capitalism is meant to generate capital at the expense of others; for every pair of nikes you buy, theres some kid in cambodia or guatemala or something, who is paid a nickle an hour to sew, whos 12 year old sister prostitutes herself so her family can eat; in a socialist country, none of these things happen;
for every computer you invent, you can be sure that it will be manufactured in the third world;
if 800,000,000 people are starving, you can be sure it is at capitalisms expense.

and in REAL communism, you can be making steel in your backyard and going to bed hungry.

Im not seeing much of a difference, honestly.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

alright; you want a real argument? lets go.

Capitalism is meant to generate capital at the expense of others; for every pair of nikes you buy, theres some kid in cambodia or guatemala or something, who is paid a nickle an hour to sew, whos 12 year old sister prostitutes herself so her family can eat; in a socialist country, none of these things happen;
for every computer you invent, you can be sure that it will be manufactured in the third world;
if 800,000,000 people are starving, you can be sure it is at capitalisms expense.

Damn right. Whats your point? That communism is the magic cure for all this? That if we change then everyone will be happy and suddenly we'll be living in a merry merry go-fuck-ourselves land? That all the wrongs will be righted and no one will ever go hungry or be without medical attention again?


Childish fantasies. Grow up.