Omnipotence paradox

[DaWoad]

Just because I... I don't know but...

If God have power over everything,its includes itself,so God can create a stone that he cant lift,proving that he can create he rock,them he raises its own power,lifting the rock that he couldn lift before,making itself omnipotent again,or simply,God uses kaioken and lift the formely unliftable.

..whatever the answer that isn't it, given he retains the power to be omnipotent, it remains a rock he can lift regardless of any temporary forsaking of the power to do so - essentially he has the power but in your hypothesis chooses not to use it.

I don't think God 'lifts' anything anyway, that would be thinking he's in human form so I suspect the question is simply not applicable to God.

yes, well if god doesn't exist then it's not a problem.

[Barringtonia]

Just because I... I don't know but...



..whatever the answer that isn't it, given he retains the power to be omnipotent, it remains a rock he can lift regardless of any temporary forsaking of the power to do so - essentially he has the power but in your hypothesis chooses not to use it.

I don't think God 'lifts' anything anyway, that would be thinking he's in human form so I suspect the question is simply not applicable to God.

yes, well if god doesn't exist then it's not a problem.

Well even in supposing some omniscient 'thing' the response remains the same.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Just because I... I don't know but...

If God have power over everything,its includes itself,so God can create a stone that he cant lift,proving that he can create he rock,them he raises its own power,lifting the rock that he couldn lift before,making itself omnipotent again,or simply,God uses kaioken and lift the formely unliftable.

..whatever the answer that isn't it, given he retains the power to be omnipotent, it remains a rock he can lift regardless of any temporary forsaking of the power to do so - essentially he has the power but in your hypothesis chooses not to use it.

I don't think God 'lifts' anything anyway, that would be thinking he's in human form so I suspect the question is simply not applicable to God.

I still think it would be more interesting if God created a place for Himself to lift said unliftable rock. Since, practically speaking, such a place would have to be significantly larger than the rock itself. Otherwise, without gravity, the act of lifting is rather pointless since the object wouldn't have any weight for God to lift.

[Barringtonia]

Just because I... I don't know but...



..whatever the answer that isn't it, given he retains the power to be omnipotent, it remains a rock he can lift regardless of any temporary forsaking of the power to do so - essentially he has the power but in your hypothesis chooses not to use it.

I don't think God 'lifts' anything anyway, that would be thinking he's in human form so I suspect the question is simply not applicable to God.

I still think it would be more interesting if God created a place for Himself to lift said unliftable rock. Since, practically speaking, such a place would have to be significantly larger than the rock itself. Otherwise, without gravity, the act of lifting is rather pointless since the object wouldn't have any weight for God to lift.

I... *asplodes*

...spend way too much time in these sort of threads...

...then the 'place' he's standing on is even heavier than the rock.. which makes....

[-Acadia]

It's a paradox: it is designed not to have an answer.

[Barringtonia]

It's a paradox: it is designed not to have an answer.

Hmm, so could this God solve a paradox, eh? eh?

Where'd everyone go?

[The Parkus Empire]

It's a paradox: it is designed not to have an answer.

Hmm, so could this God solve a paradox, eh? eh?

Where'd everyone go?

I don't think so, or else she wouldn't exist.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Hmm, so could this God solve a paradox, eh? eh?

Where'd everyone go?

I don't think so, or else she wouldn't exist.

God is allergic to paradoxes?
So He's a robot?

[-Acadia]

It's a paradox: it is designed not to have an answer.

Hmm, so could this God solve a paradox, eh? eh?

Where'd everyone go?

That may just have to be sig'd!

[Icamera]

Well, God would have to be omnipotent to create a rock too heavy to lift, but once it has been created God would be able to lift it due to becoming stronger (which can be done because of omnipotence).

That's my best shot.

[KludgeMUSH]

This statement is false.

[Stauffieland]

God is dog spelled backwards...

[Yaltabaoth]

God is dog spelled backwards...

And pterodactyl spelled backwards is bloody difficult to pronounce.

*nods*

[Xsyne]

A stone so large that an omnipotent being could not lift it is an incoherent concept. The question, essentially, is could an omnipotent being create a

It doesn't even qualify as a question. There's nothing there.

[Xsyne]

God is dog spelled backwards...

And pterodactyl spelled backwards is bloody difficult to pronounce.

*nods*

Pretty easy, actually. Lit-cad-or-ept.

[Ashmoria]

"Could an omnipotent being (God) create a stone so heavy that even that being could not lift it?"

i think that i got the answer to it:

If God have power over everything,its includes itself,so God can create a stone that he cant lift,proving that he can create he rock,them he raises its own power,lifting the rock that he couldn lift before,making itself omnipotent again,or simply,God uses kaioken and lift the formely unliftable.

This is my attempt solve the paradox,i gave a correct answer?

Discuss.

god isnt bound by the paradoxes of the human mind.

this is my solution.

[Ashmoria]

Omnipotence means not having to follow logic.

Well,according to christianity God is the logic,God is omnipotent them.

"christianity" is wrong about that.

my nother solution.

[Kalalification]

Discuss.

There is no paradox. Omnipotence doesn't indicate infinite power. It indicates the power to do all that can be done. Thus, if something cannot be done, then no being, omnipotent or not, could do it.

[Xarithis]

"Could an omnipotent being (God) create a stone so heavy that even that being could not lift it?"

If the being is omnipotent, the answer doesn't have to make sense, as has been stated already in the thread. The being can make a rock too heavy for himself to pick it up, so heavy that he couldn't pick it up even if he did increase his own strength, and he would still be able to pick it up. While simultaneously still not being able to do so. Because, damn logic. He's omnipotent - by definition, he can do whatever the hell he wants, regardless of whether it makes sense.

This statement is false.

The following sentence is true. The previous sentence is false.

[Outlying States]

god isnt bound by the paradoxes of the human mind.

this is my solution.

^ This, as I've brought up on many a thread.

[Kalalification]

Look at the definition of the word people... Omni, meaning ALL, and potent, meaning power. When I say that I have all Xbox games, do you consider me to have infinite Xbox games?

[Ashmoria]

god isnt bound by the paradoxes of the human mind.

this is my solution.

^ This, as I've brought up on many a thread.

its so true.

we suppose a god so powerful that he has abilities that we cant even think of yet but we want to smash him down into a book or keep him within the limits of "logic" or of the human mind.

whats up with that?

[Void walkers]

God doesn't need to lift an extremely heavy rock, because he uses paper to destroy it.

[Outlying States]

Look at the definition of the word people... Omni, meaning ALL, and potent, meaning power. When I say that I have all Xbox games, do you consider me to have infinite Xbox games?

While this may be the correct definition, I think that used in reference to God, most people are going off of an (albeit incorrect) connotation of omni meaning infinite.

Personally I think that human defined words generally fail in the description of the divine.

[Xarithis]

Look at the definition of the word people... Omni, meaning ALL, and potent, meaning power. When I say that I have all Xbox games, do you consider me to have infinite Xbox games?

I prefer dictionary definitions.

Omnipotent
adj.
having-unlimited power or authority; all-powerful

Unlimited, I assume, doesn't end at "all currently existing". Let's find out if that's true.

un·lim·it·ed   [uhn-lim-i-tid] Show IPA
adjective
1. not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.
2. boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.
3. without any qualification or exception; unconditional.