Apple, Microsoft, or Linux?

[British Prussia]

Here's what you do, get a top of the line mac pro ($6000-ish) with Snow Leopard, then get Bootcamp (with XP installed or Win7 when it comes out), after-which you'll be all good...
but, if u want to spend less, get a PC with windows 7 installed (When it comes out), don't event think of getting Vista...


http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5500 series processors
* 8MB of fully shared L3 cache per processor
* Integrated memory controller
* Turbo Boost dynamic performance (up to 3.33GHz on 8-core 2.93GHz system)
* Hyper-Threading technology for up to 16 virtual cores
* 128-bit SSE4 SIMD engine
* 64-bit data paths and registers
* Optimized for energy efficiency
1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
Eight memory slots (four per processor) supporting up to 32GB of main memory using 1GB, 2GB, or 4GB DIMMs

Double-wide, 16-lane PCI Express 2.0 graphics slot with one of the following graphics cards installed:
* NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB of GDDR3 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port
* ATI Radeon HD 4870 with 512MB of GDDR5 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port

Intel Xeon
# Multiple graphics card configurations available with two, three, or four NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 cards
# Support for up to eight 30-inch displays 1
# Support for digital resolutions up to 2560 by 1600 pixels
# Support for analog resolutions up to 2048 by 1536 pixels
Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet

[British Prussia]

PC for a professional environment.

PC for gaming.

Mac for...doodling?

Why would you use Windows for a professional environment? You need
something stable, secure, and efficient in its use of resources.

In other words, you need Linux.

OMG Linux sucks...

[Pure Metal]

Ah, wrong. There are 32 and 64 bit versions of CS4.

Uh, no. There is no 64-bit support on OSX.

we have a misunderstanding here

CS4, for example, only supports 64-bit on Windows.

what i guess you meant is "there is only 64-bit support on Windows for CS4, and Macs only support 32bit".
but, to both myself and Kanabia, it looks like you meant "CS4 on Windows is only available in the 64-bit version and Windows won't run the 32-bit version"

glad to clear that one up

[UNIverseVERSE]

Clearly. I have a source that was paid as a programming consultant at JP Morgan Chase who says differently.

It's irrelevant whether or not Linux is better. Familiarity and ease of use pays immensely, especially when you have the drones that can only think of code in concrete terms.

I never said that companies actually did what was most sensible.

If you have decent programmers, they will be able to work on nix systems, and given the general technical superiority of nix systems will probably turn out better code.

My guess is professionals have to use software, not just browse the web and post on forums.

Any software in particular? Because nix plays host to decent 'office' software, but most importantly to fucking awesome 'technical' software -- text editors*, IDEs**, web servers***, database software****, etc. Sure, it's been ported now, but the original versions are almost invariably better.

*Emacs, Vi
**Eclipse
***Apache
****Oracle, MySQL, and so on.

[Bazhaa]

I use mac, against my will, and all I have to say is fuck mac. Its a nice OS, but that does not matter in the slightest when games can not be found or operated right with torrents. Which can be depressing when the only game that works on the comp is spore and some GTA game mutilated to run on a OS it didn't intend to without any semblance of control over the main character's motions.

[Mikertaz Kein]

That is why MAc is a favorite of schools...

No games, Better control.

[Barringtonia]

I have to give a lot of presentations, and for that I prefer the Mac.

Keynote is vastly better than Powerpoint, I'd almost be embarrassed to use Powerpoint it's so clunky,

I'd happily switch to Linux if presentation software matched Keynote,

[East Coast Federation]

Here's what you do, get a top of the line mac pro ($6000-ish) with Snow Leopard, then get Bootcamp (with XP installed or Win7 when it comes out), after-which you'll be all good...
but, if u want to spend less, get a PC with windows 7 installed (When it comes out), don't event think of getting Vista...


http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5500 series processors
* 8MB of fully shared L3 cache per processor
* Integrated memory controller
* Turbo Boost dynamic performance (up to 3.33GHz on 8-core 2.93GHz system)
* Hyper-Threading technology for up to 16 virtual cores
* 128-bit SSE4 SIMD engine
* 64-bit data paths and registers
* Optimized for energy efficiency
1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
Eight memory slots (four per processor) supporting up to 32GB of main memory using 1GB, 2GB, or 4GB DIMMs

Double-wide, 16-lane PCI Express 2.0 graphics slot with one of the following graphics cards installed:
* NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB of GDDR3 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port
* ATI Radeon HD 4870 with 512MB of GDDR5 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port

Intel Xeon
# Multiple graphics card configurations available with two, three, or four NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 cards
# Support for up to eight 30-inch displays 1
# Support for digital resolutions up to 2560 by 1600 pixels
# Support for analog resolutions up to 2048 by 1536 pixels
Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet

Pfft, if your going to blow that kind of money, get a http://www.gamepc.com/shop/systemfamily ... mily=gpgx2

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

I use mac, against my will, and all I have to say is fuck mac. Its a nice OS, but that does not matter in the slightest when games can not be found or operated right with torrents. Which can be depressing when the only game that works on the comp is spore and some GTA game mutilated to run on a OS it didn't intend to without any semblance of control over the main character's motions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_%28software%29

[The_pantless_hero]

Any software in particular? Because nix plays host to decent 'office' software, but most importantly to fucking awesome 'technical' software -- text editors*, IDEs**, web servers***, database software****, etc. Sure, it's been ported now, but the original versions are almost invariably better.

*Emacs, Vi
**Eclipse
***Apache
****Oracle, MySQL, and so on.

Vi sucks and the only thing emacs is good for is the built in side by side comparison utilities.

[The_pantless_hero]

Here's what you do, get a top of the line mac pro ($6000-ish) with Snow Leopard, then get Bootcamp (with XP installed or Win7 when it comes out), after-which you'll be all good...
but, if u want to spend less, get a PC with windows 7 installed (When it comes out), don't event think of getting Vista...


http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5500 series processors
* 8MB of fully shared L3 cache per processor
* Integrated memory controller
* Turbo Boost dynamic performance (up to 3.33GHz on 8-core 2.93GHz system)
* Hyper-Threading technology for up to 16 virtual cores
* 128-bit SSE4 SIMD engine
* 64-bit data paths and registers
* Optimized for energy efficiency
1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
Eight memory slots (four per processor) supporting up to 32GB of main memory using 1GB, 2GB, or 4GB DIMMs

Double-wide, 16-lane PCI Express 2.0 graphics slot with one of the following graphics cards installed:
* NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB of GDDR3 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port
* ATI Radeon HD 4870 with 512MB of GDDR5 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port

Intel Xeon
# Multiple graphics card configurations available with two, three, or four NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 cards
# Support for up to eight 30-inch displays 1
# Support for digital resolutions up to 2560 by 1600 pixels
# Support for analog resolutions up to 2048 by 1536 pixels
Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet

So he should buy a $6k Mac... to run Windows? Why not get the same as a normal PC and spend 15% less?

[EvilDarkMagicians]

That is why MAc is a favorite of schools...

No games, Better control.

Not a most schools around the world.
WTF are you talking about?

[Ravea]

Macrosoft.

[Treznor]

Any software in particular? Because nix plays host to decent 'office' software, but most importantly to fucking awesome 'technical' software -- text editors*, IDEs**, web servers***, database software****, etc. Sure, it's been ported now, but the original versions are almost invariably better.

*Emacs, Vi
**Eclipse
***Apache
****Oracle, MySQL, and so on.

Vi sucks and the only thing emacs is good for is the built in side by side comparison utilities.

Vi is great! I use it all the time!

I used to use emacs, but vi is much faster.

[UNIverseVERSE]

Vi sucks and the only thing emacs is good for is the built in side by side comparison utilities.

Both vi and emacs have one thing in common -- they hammer any (every) other editor in terms of features and speed of operation.

[Cheesardry]

Macrosoft?!

Now really, Snow Leopard just came out, how will Microsoft compete with that? (i.e. Windows 7 better be good).

[The_pantless_hero]

Vi sucks and the only thing emacs is good for is the built in side by side comparison utilities.

Both vi and emacs have one thing in common -- they hammer any (every) other editor in terms of features and speed of operation.

It's a text editor. No computer today, or any made in the past 10 years, is going to run any editor noticeably faster than any other. Unless you are confusing text editor and word processor. And Vi looks like it has nothing on either Crimson Editor or Notepad++. Like I said, the only thing Emacs has for it is the ability to compare multiple documents side by side. Otherwise I can't stand using it. I refuse to accept features over user friendliness.

[The_pantless_hero]

Macrosoft?!

Now really, Snow Leopard just came out, how will Microsoft compete with that? (i.e. Windows 7 better be good).

It won't, because they don't compete. Not really. They may be the only two viable operating systems, but they don't compete because Apple refuses to let its software be run on anything but its hardware (which seems like grounds for a lawsuit to me, but that's another topic). The only place Windows and Mac compete is on Intel-based Apple computers.

Sure, Snow Leopard may be leaps and bounds ahead of Windows 7, but so what? Are you going to go out and buy an entirely new computer to use it that will cost at least 15% more than a Windows compliant computer with the same specs and be compatible with less software? No. You just won't upgrade your current OS if you don't like Windows 7.

[UNIverseVERSE]

It's a text editor. No computer today, or any made in the past 10 years, is going to run any editor noticeably faster than any other. Unless you are confusing text editor and word processor. And Vi looks like it has nothing on either Crimson Editor or Notepad++. Like I said, the only thing Emacs has for it is the ability to compare multiple documents side by side. Otherwise I can't stand using it. I refuse to accept features over user friendliness.

I wasn't talking about how fast a computer could run the code. I was talking about how fast the user can operate the program.

Both vi and emacs have extensive, logical, and configurable keyboard shortcuts, far beyond those offered by competing programs. This makes them significantly faster to use -- mousing is a lot slower and a lot more imprecise than typing.

vi (and Emacs) hammers the programs you gave as examples, in terms of feature set, configurability, extensibility, and speed of use. They do language specific hilighting, integrate with debuggers, connect with shells, interoperate with external programs, feature multiple extension languages, contain comprehensive inbuilt help, etc.

[The Alma Mater]

vi (and Emacs) hammers the programs you gave as examples, in terms of feature set, configurability, extensibility, and speed of use. They do language specific hilighting, integrate with debuggers, connect with shells, interoperate with external programs, feature multiple extension languages, contain comprehensive inbuilt help, etc.

But they have a learning curve. People need to invest time to learn how to use them.
That when one actually can use them they can outperform the competition easily, to that degree that the time "lost" learning how to use them is quickly regained and even becomes neglible by comparison is considered insignificant by many. Cause learning is dirty.

It is the same reason the commandline is hated so much, and why some people still type equation rich documents in word instead of e.g. LaTeX.

[UNIverseVERSE]

But they have a learning curve. People need to invest time to learn how to use them.
That when one actually can use them they can outperform the competition easily, to that degree that the time "lost" learning how to use them is quickly regained and even becomes neglible by comparison is considered insignificant by many. Cause learning is dirty.

It is the same reason the commandline is hated so much, and why some people still type equation rich documents in word instead of e.g. LaTeX.

Indeed. However, emacs and vi are still far superior to any other editor, the CLI faster and more customisable than the best GUI, and LaTeX far superior for typesetting than Word. They're doing complex tasks, and thus are inherently complex programs. The 'simple' programs sacrifice power, flexibility, and speed.

[The_pantless_hero]

vi (and Emacs) hammers the programs you gave as examples, in terms of feature set, configurability, extensibility, and speed of use. They do language specific hilighting, integrate with debuggers, connect with shells, interoperate with external programs, feature multiple extension languages, contain comprehensive inbuilt help, etc.

Lol, Linux fanboy. I clicked every menu on vi that I pulled up on the Linux box. I don't see anything that significantly surpasses Notepad++ or Crimson. Emacs has more utilities, but it is even more user unfriendly than Vi is.

[The_pantless_hero]

vi (and Emacs) hammers the programs you gave as examples, in terms of feature set, configurability, extensibility, and speed of use. They do language specific hilighting, integrate with debuggers, connect with shells, interoperate with external programs, feature multiple extension languages, contain comprehensive inbuilt help, etc.

But they have a learning curve. People need to invest time to learn how to use them.
That when one actually can use them they can outperform the competition easily, to that degree that the time "lost" learning how to use them is quickly regained and even becomes neglible by comparison is considered insignificant by many. Cause learning is dirty.

Bad design is dirty. One can have a powerful program that isn't user unfriendly. It's been done, it will be done again, Vi, Emacs, and I will easily guess Latex given the Linux fanboy propensity for it, do not meet that standard.

[Treznor]

vi (and Emacs) hammers the programs you gave as examples, in terms of feature set, configurability, extensibility, and speed of use. They do language specific hilighting, integrate with debuggers, connect with shells, interoperate with external programs, feature multiple extension languages, contain comprehensive inbuilt help, etc.

Lol, Linux fanboy. I clicked every menu on vi that I pulled up on the Linux box. I don't see anything that significantly surpasses Notepad++ or Crimson. Emacs has more utilities, but it is even more user unfriendly than Vi is.

That's your problem. You're clicking on menus. I get things done a lot faster by running it from the command line, outside of the GUI.

[The_pantless_hero]

vi (and Emacs) hammers the programs you gave as examples, in terms of feature set, configurability, extensibility, and speed of use. They do language specific hilighting, integrate with debuggers, connect with shells, interoperate with external programs, feature multiple extension languages, contain comprehensive inbuilt help, etc.

Lol, Linux fanboy. I clicked every menu on vi that I pulled up on the Linux box. I don't see anything that significantly surpasses Notepad++ or Crimson. Emacs has more utilities, but it is even more user unfriendly than Vi is.

That's your problem. You're clicking on menus. I get things done a lot faster by running it from the command line, outside of the GUI.

...
One cannot see what options a strange program provides without clicking on menus