Apple, Microsoft, or Linux?

[Kobrania]

Microsoft out of neccesity.

[Taeshan]

Mirosoft out of neccesity.

I would still use Microsoft if i was a billionare(although i would probally use both concurently)

[Tekania]

You are aware that Vista tends to require higher specs to just run (let alone run well) than os x, correct? The operating system itself is so bloated that you need a fast computer to just get it to work. So I find it very unlikely that you need higher specs to run photoshop on a mac than on a computer running windows.

Your opinion is irrelevant. Photoshop and (especially) Illustrator work slower on a top of the range 24" iMac (costing £1199) than on my shitty little Vista laptop (costing £300).

Yes, so what you're saying is that photoshop is a magical program that works in a way opposite to games in terms of processing power and system requirements. I've definitely seen computer spec requirements for games where the processor speed required was higher for a vista machine than for xp or os x (Sims 3 exists on all of those).

I mean, I'm not going to claim that buying a mac desktop is a good plan (because I don't think it is unless you buy a tower model), but that I find your claim dubious at best.

The term for that is borrowed from accounting, it's called "Overhead"... Vista has more overhead than OSX, uses more CPU cycles to run, requires more memory for smoother operation, etc...

It is true now, however, that Photoshop runs better on on MS-Win machines than MacOS... And I have a feeling it has absolutely nothing to do with "power" of the platforms (especially since most Mac's use the same basic hardware as a windows machine)... And more to do with how the applications are being developed... Most likely Adobe is starting with Windows and porting to Mac now... Meaning the code is not necessarily optimized for OSX...

[Kobrania]

I custom built my own rig, but I don't have the coding know how to make my own OS, let alone one that could support any gaming or academic software.

[Getbrett]

The term for that is borrowed from accounting, it's called "Overhead"... Vista has more overhead than OSX, uses more CPU cycles to run, requires more memory for smoother operation, etc...

It is true now, however, that Photoshop runs better on on MS-Win machines than MacOS... And I have a feeling it has absolutely nothing to do with "power" of the platforms (especially since most Mac's use the same basic hardware as a windows machine)... And more to do with how the applications are being developed... Most likely Adobe is starting with Windows and porting to Mac now... Meaning the code is not necessarily optimized for OSX...

I think this is the most likely explaination. The slowdown on OSX has occured since the introduction of the CS line of Adobe's products. CS4, for example, only supports 64-bit on Windows.

[Tekania]

The term for that is borrowed from accounting, it's called "Overhead"... Vista has more overhead than OSX, uses more CPU cycles to run, requires more memory for smoother operation, etc...

It is true now, however, that Photoshop runs better on on MS-Win machines than MacOS... And I have a feeling it has absolutely nothing to do with "power" of the platforms (especially since most Mac's use the same basic hardware as a windows machine)... And more to do with how the applications are being developed... Most likely Adobe is starting with Windows and porting to Mac now... Meaning the code is not necessarily optimized for OSX...

I think this is the most likely explaination. The slowdown on OSX has occured since the introduction of the CS line of Adobe's products. CS4, for example, only supports 64-bit on Windows.

Same thing happens in the Linux/Windows with Gimp.... Gimp will actually run faster on a Linux system with a ~1Ghz P3 with 512MB of ram than a Windows machine with a ~3Ghz dual core processor with 4GB of ram... Code was ported to Windows, and just not as well optimized for it.

[NERV arms conglomerate]

personally i use a custom machine with parts i recovered from a skip at a near-by mainframe computer specialist, i use vista on my PC and the media-suite mac's in my college i prefer my own PC

[Wraithtoria]

Currently I am running Ubuntu, I think its better than both OS X and Windows.
I am really looking forward to windows 7, I might even switch from Ubuntu to it.

But from skimming over this thread I am detecting a lot of Mac and PC fanboyism.

Macs are severely overpriced in my opinion (you are paying for the brand not the quality). If I built a PC of the same price, I can almost guarantee I could outperform the Mac. Windows in my opinion is not specialized enough, it performs a broad range of tasks well, but none excellent.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

I know that Photoshop on Macs also can't take advantage of 64 bit computing which is pretty important.

[UNIverseVERSE]

Yes, so what you're saying is that photoshop is a magical program that works in a way opposite to games in terms of processing power and system requirements. I've definitely seen computer spec requirements for games where the processor speed required was higher for a vista machine than for xp or os x (Sims 3 exists on all of those).

I mean, I'm not going to claim that buying a mac desktop is a good plan (because I don't think it is unless you buy a tower model), but that I find your claim dubious at best.

It's not so unbelievable. The iMac has tended to be saddled with utter crap for video cards, and often less RAM than it should have. While a 300 laptop isn't perfect for either of these either, it tends to be surprisingly decent these days.

[Dakini]

Yes, so what you're saying is that photoshop is a magical program that works in a way opposite to games in terms of processing power and system requirements. I've definitely seen computer spec requirements for games where the processor speed required was higher for a vista machine than for xp or os x (Sims 3 exists on all of those).

I mean, I'm not going to claim that buying a mac desktop is a good plan (because I don't think it is unless you buy a tower model), but that I find your claim dubious at best.

It's not so unbelievable. The iMac has tended to be saddled with utter crap for video cards, and often less RAM than it should have. While a 300 laptop isn't perfect for either of these either, it tends to be surprisingly decent these days.

Well, I'm not going to defend iMacs. I think that while it looks pretty (sorta), you're going to end up with an underpowered machine because you can't cool it as efficiently as a tower.


However, it was already mentioned earlier on this page that this is probably more of an Adobe program fail than an actual Mac issue.

[UNIverseVERSE]

Well, I'm not going to defend iMacs. I think that while it looks pretty (sorta), you're going to end up with an underpowered machine because you can't cool it as efficiently as a tower.

However, it was already mentioned earlier on this page that this is probably more of an Adobe program fail than an actual Mac issue.

Yes, I know. However, this browser is not very conducive to carefully reading through the thread, stacking up the bits of posts I want to reply to, and combining them all into one mega reply. Rather, it forces me to scribble off responses to each post as I work my way through.

I'd suspect it of possibly being a bit of a combination of both -- Photoshop likely performs a lot more acceptably on the PowerMac and the like, which also happens to have a decent graphics card in most versions. The software-side suggestion is good though.

[Rikese]

PC for a professional environment.

PC for gaming.

Mac for...doodling?

[EvilDarkMagicians]

NSG stop going all techy on me. It's like a diffrent language to me.

[Pure Metal]

I've been told their better as well for video editing and such, which is why as a film student I got one.

used to be quite true, then not so true, now with Macs using Intel architecture, not true at all.

That's not entirely true. In professional graphic design circles Macs are almost exclusively used. This isn't because they are more powerful or more efficient (quite the opposite, actually). This is because the colors you see on your screen won't match up with the colors you see when you print them out and publish your work. For some reason Macs are better at displaying your colors true to what they will appear when you print them out.

If you're messing around with family photos or a personal website or blog, or even doing amateur movie making, Windows is just fine.

ummm... screen calibration software/hardware and ICC profiles are now not available on PCs?

the large commercial printers i work closely with say that they use Macs largely due to legacy issues, and that PCs still have some issues with postscript support

It should be noted that I am a professional illustrator/designer. I use Windows. The issue you've brought up about colour representation has nothing to do with the OS, it's entirely to do with the monitor and its calibration.

Historically, Photoshop, Illustrator and other design programs originated on the Mac platform. However, in my professional and personal experience they work much better on Windows now.

i'm a professional graphic designer, and i use Windows.... not sure about what the difference would be if i were to use a similar-specced mac instead, but photoshop/illustrator/flash/bridge run very smoothly on a Core 2 Duo, 4gb ram, RAID striped laptop. i have photoshop set to utilise up to 50% of my ram, and use a seperately partitioned part of my raid array for a scratch disk. but what professional wouldn't have PS set up like that (or similar/better)?

next i want a desktop with 12 or 24 gb of ram and a SSD drive or two (or three) *drools*

CS4, for example, only supports 64-bit on Windows.

i'm using CS4 on 32-bit Windows on a daily basis....
though not being x64 kinda limits my ram a lot, which sucks

However, it was already mentioned earlier on this page that this is probably more of an Adobe program fail than an actual Mac issue.

qft (makes sense)

[UNIverseVERSE]

PC for a professional environment.

PC for gaming.

Mac for...doodling?

Why would you use Windows for a professional environment? You need
something stable, secure, and efficient in its use of resources.

In other words, you need Linux.

[Rikese]

PC for a professional environment.

PC for gaming.

Mac for...doodling?

Why would you use Windows for a professional environment? You need
something stable, secure, and efficient in its use of resources.

In other words, you need Linux.

Clearly. I have a source that was paid as a programming consultant at JP Morgan Chase who says differently.

It's irrelevant whether or not Linux is better. Familiarity and ease of use pays immensely, especially when you have the drones that can only think of code in concrete terms.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

PC for a professional environment.

PC for gaming.

Mac for...doodling?

Why would you use Windows for a professional environment? You need
something stable, secure, and efficient in its use of resources.

In other words, you need Linux.

My guess is professionals have to use software, not just browse the web and post on forums.

[Rikese]

PC for a professional environment.

PC for gaming.

Mac for...doodling?

Why would you use Windows for a professional environment? You need
something stable, secure, and efficient in its use of resources.

In other words, you need Linux.

My guess is professionals have to use software, not just browse the web and post on forums.

Qft. Some of the $600 developer's programs are only compatible with windows...

[Kanabia]

The term for that is borrowed from accounting, it's called "Overhead"... Vista has more overhead than OSX, uses more CPU cycles to run, requires more memory for smoother operation, etc...

It is true now, however, that Photoshop runs better on on MS-Win machines than MacOS... And I have a feeling it has absolutely nothing to do with "power" of the platforms (especially since most Mac's use the same basic hardware as a windows machine)... And more to do with how the applications are being developed... Most likely Adobe is starting with Windows and porting to Mac now... Meaning the code is not necessarily optimized for OSX...

I think this is the most likely explaination. The slowdown on OSX has occured since the introduction of the CS line of Adobe's products. CS4, for example, only supports 64-bit on Windows.

Ah, wrong. There are 32 and 64 bit versions of CS4.

[Getbrett]

The term for that is borrowed from accounting, it's called "Overhead"... Vista has more overhead than OSX, uses more CPU cycles to run, requires more memory for smoother operation, etc...

It is true now, however, that Photoshop runs better on on MS-Win machines than MacOS... And I have a feeling it has absolutely nothing to do with "power" of the platforms (especially since most Mac's use the same basic hardware as a windows machine)... And more to do with how the applications are being developed... Most likely Adobe is starting with Windows and porting to Mac now... Meaning the code is not necessarily optimized for OSX...

I think this is the most likely explaination. The slowdown on OSX has occured since the introduction of the CS line of Adobe's products. CS4, for example, only supports 64-bit on Windows.

Ah, wrong. There are 32 and 64 bit versions of CS4.

Uh, no. There is no 64-bit support on OSX.

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/03/photosho ... t-in-os-x/
http://www.betanews.com/article/Adobe-C ... 1207258861
http://www.pcworld.com/article/144119/a ... uggle.html

[Mikertaz Kein]

Ah, I love a good fanboy war. Where everyone makes statements not backed up by fact. Please provide links/examples to prove/disprove a point.

Also, If it gets too 'tech heavy', try to translate for the non-computer savvy...

[SD_Film Artists]

PC

The only reason why I'd ever want to buy a Mac is because Final Cut Pro is rapidly becoming the industry standard for video editing- and I'm an editor. Other than that, I honestly can't see why anyone would want a Mac unless they're a very impressionable person by thinking that the 'I'm a PC-I'm a Mac' adverts weren't a load of hypocritical BS.

And what's with Macs being so overpriced? It's as if you're paying that extra cash to be initiated into the Church of Steve Jobs.

[Mikertaz Kein]

Well said. I agree.

[Pinpo]

ALL HAIL THE MAC