Girl Found After Eighteen Years Missing

[Hiddenrun]

I could see kidnapping someone to keep her as your sex slave, but not for that long. After a while, wouldn't the thrill just wear off?

[Al Shire]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8225621.stm

Missing US girl found 18 years on

A US woman found after being abducted as a girl in 1991 gave birth to two children fathered by her alleged kidnapper, police say.

Jaycee Lee Dugard and the children, aged 11 and 15, were kept in a "hidden backyard within a backyard".

Alleged kidnapper Phillip Garrido, 58, and his wife Nancy Garrido, 54, are being held in custody in California.

DNA tests are being done to establish Ms Dugard's identity, but meanwhile she has been reunited with her mother.

Ms Dugard disappeared in 1991, aged 11, from outside her Lake Tahoe home, apparently taken by two people.

El Dorado County Undersheriff Fred Kollar she had lived with the couple, isolated from view at a property in Antioch near San Francisco since the kidnapping.

"The tents and outbuildings in the backyard were placed in a strategic arrangement to inhibit outside viewing and to isolate the victims from outside contact."

The three spent "most of their lives" there, he said, adding that they had never been to school or seen a doctor.

Their identities were revealed after Mr Garrido was spotted by police at the University of California Berkeley campus with the two young children.

He raised suspicions because as a registered sex offender he was not allowed to be with young children.

Phillip Garrido has a conviction for rape and was paroled in 1999, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

He was called in by his parole officer for questioning, and brought the two children and a young woman he called Allissa with him.

During questioning he revealed that Allissa was actually Ms Dugard. She also confirmed her identity to police.

At the Antioch property, there was also a vehicle hidden in the backyard which matched the vehicle originally described at the time of the abduction, Mr Kollar said.

"It's a pretty spectacular story just to find someone like that. Someone we assumed was dead," said Bill Clark, a senior prosecutor in El Dorado County.

Jimmie Lee, a local police spokesman, said Mr Garrido was also being held for investigation of rape by force, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor and sexual penetration.

Under suspicion

As news spread of Ms Dugard's apparent re-appearance, her stepfather Carl Probyn told ABC News in the US that her family was now convinced she was coming back to them.

"I had personally given up hope," he said, saying that he just wanted to find the people responsible.

Mr Probyn was watching on 10 June 1991, as the young girl was apparently taken away by two unidentified people.

The incident occurred as she was walking from her home to a school bus stop in the southern Lake Tahoe town of Meyers.

“ She sounds like she's okay. I hope she's been well treated this entire 18 years ”
Carl Probyn Stepfather

Her stepfather - who initially came under suspicion in her disappearance and is now estranged from Ms Dugard's mother - has described how a stranger drove up and grabbed Ms Dugard, bundling her into a grey car even as she tried to resist by kicking and screaming.

Mr Probyn believed a man and woman were in the vehicle. Despite several false reports of sightings in the intervening years, Ms Dugard was never seen again.

"She sounds like she's okay," he said.

"She had a conversation with my wife and she remembers things. I hope she's been well treated this entire 18 years."

"To have this happen where we get her back alive, and where she remembers things from the past, and to have people in custody is a triple win," he told the Sacramento Bee newspaper.

I am...I am just...I'm not sure I have any words for this. The emotional side of me rages for some sort of harsh punishment towards the kidnappers, but the rational side of me forces me to ask, what sort of punishment can we justify for this without treating the crime with an emotional bias?

Simple. It's called an Iron Madien. Or hacking off his arms, legs, extremeites, nose, lips and voice box, the scar his face in acid, and then throw him out of a moving vehicle in some ghetto gang's territory. Keep him alive for the rest of his life but in suffering.

But with the way the law system is he'll probably find some legal loophole and walk free. Their kind always do.

[RoI2]

Well he ruined her life so we're going to ruin his. The wife is a bitch too.
There should be a reset button for events like this.

Dying is not the worst thing that can happen.

[First Federation]

Sooner or later this roach dropping is going to get shanked in the slammer. Probably his wife too.

[Andorias]

[quote="RoI2";p="506676Execute that bastard!]
Why?

It would be interesting to perform an experiment whereby this story is presented to a sampling of, say, 1, 000 people.

The only question would be: what do you think? - and a short blank space for the answer, less that 100 words,

I'd like to see the difference between those whose thoughts turn directly to revenge on the perpetrator and those who consider the plight of the victim,

If I could break it all down by gender age and etc., I'd like to see those results,
That would be interesting. I don't see the point in revenge.[/quote]

Well he ruined her life so we're going to ruin his. The wife is a bitch too.
There should be a reset button for events like this.[/quote]

And that will not prevent similar cases in the future. Such people do not think about eventual punishments, these are not normal people. That doesn't mean you should protect the society against such creatures: lifetime imprisonment without any chances of early release would do. The people that commit such crimes count enormous amounts recidivists...

Revenge is bad justice, my friend.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

What about life sentence + forced labour in a salt mine? At least you get some $$$ from the bastard and his bitchy companion ?

[Bryn Shander]

Jaycee Lee Dugard and the children, aged 11 and 15, were kept in a "hidden backyard within a backyard".

[Ashmoria]

I could see kidnapping someone to keep her as your sex slave, but not for that long. After a while, wouldn't the thrill just wear off?

im sure thats part of how amazingly impressive his story will be, eh?

after you have raped her and she delivers you 2 live children perhaps you form a sentimental attachment to her.....

[Farnhamia]

I could see kidnapping someone to keep her as your sex slave, but not for that long. After a while, wouldn't the thrill just wear off?

im sure thats part of how amazingly impressive his story will be, eh?

after you have raped her and she delivers you 2 live children perhaps you form a sentimental attachment to her.....

And anyway, when Gawd tells you to do something, you don't get to quit just because the novelty has worn off. Unless you're the Governor of Alaska, I mean.

[Mirkana]

This guy falls into a category where justice must take a backseat to public safety - namely, that this monster must be destroyed as quickly as possible. For the sake of the human race, destroy it!

[Call to power]

bloody kids always ruining their carers dreams!

also this guy needs to have his brain looking at and such along with all the details coming out but I'm fairly certain he needs help

Simple. It's called an Iron Madien. Or hacking off his arms, legs, extremeites, nose, lips and voice box, the scar his face in acid, and then throw him out of a moving vehicle in some ghetto gang's territory. Keep him alive for the rest of his life but in suffering.

But with the way the law system is he'll probably find some legal loophole and walk free. Their kind always do.

your enjoying this aren't you?

[Yootopia]

Simple. It's called an Iron Madien. Or hacking off his arms, legs, extremeites, nose, lips and voice box, the scar his face in acid, and then throw him out of a moving vehicle in some ghetto gang's territory. Keep him alive for the rest of his life but in suffering.

F-F-FU-FUCK YES... ARGH GOD YES. There, just made yer appropriate sounds.

But with the way the law system is he'll probably find some legal loophole and walk free. Their kind always do.

Could do with something to back this assertion up really...

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

This might be off-topic, but medical means of inflicting death against the person's will (execution) actually seem creepier to me, than shooting them dead.

We trust doctors to do some pretty scarey stuff to us. We rely utterly on their medical ethics, and the knowledge that their ethics do not preclude deliberate killing against the wishes of the 'patient' is a very ugly thing to have out there, only to address the "cruelty" of violent death.

Shooting is quick, it is honest. It uses the tool of killing, to kill. Frankly, the only thing wrong with death by firing squad is the hard usage of the consciences of those who fire the weapons.

They don't even use the traditional firing squads (in the states that still practice it) anymore for that reason. They have a machine thats rigged up with pre-aimed guns and the operators are out of veiw in another room or behind a curtain. There are 3 operators and 3 switches and only one of the switches (which are randomly selected by the machine) fires the weapons at the prisoner strapped to a chair.

I didn't know that. I was still back with the "one blank at random among the marksmen" thing ... that's like the sixties or something?

Please don't tell me it was before I was born.

I'd say thats more far more emotionally removed then poisoning done by medical professionals, they actually have to physically touch the prisoner (who is strapped down to a table and fully alert) to establish the IV and all that. I agree that deliberate poisoning or lethal injection seems less ethical, since these people take the hippocratic oath and are formally trained in ethics.

You charm me, sir.

Now stand aside. I must deliver the hippocratic oath. Which to the untrained ear, sounds like the burp of an aquatic even-toed ungulate.

Really. Stand aside. It's kind of splattery.

[GetBert]

"Sexual penetration" is an actual crime, or should it actually read "of a minor"?

[New Mitanni]

If I were that poor girl's stepfather, I would make sure that every inmate at the prison where the kidnapper ends up knows who that POS is and why he's there. With any luck he'll end up like Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Ashmoria]

If I were that poor girl's stepfather, I would make sure that every inmate at the prison where the kidnapper ends up knows who that POS is and why he's there. With any luck he'll end up like Jeffrey Dahmer.

im sure they will all know who he is without any special effort on the part of the stepfather.

and dahmer was killed in prison in wisconsin where a lifer can kill a piece of shit like that without incurring an extra penalty--no capital punishment in wisconsin.

[Rhodmhire]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8225621.stm
I am...I am just...I'm not sure I have any words for this. The emotional side of me rages for some sort of harsh punishment towards the kidnappers, but the rational side of me forces me to ask, what sort of punishment can we justify for this without treating the crime with an emotional bias?

Eighteen years, to begin with, in hard labor. The time she was gone from her family? Seems fair and rational.
Part of me wants to repeatedly waterboard this bastard and his wife, though.

No more torture stuff.

It's making me sad, and insecure about my sexuality.

[Rhodmhire]

This guy falls into a category where justice must take a backseat to public safety - namely, that this monster must be destroyed as quickly as possible. For the sake of the human race, destroy it!

Or just make him live with me--that's enough punishment for every evil-doer in the human race--let alone one sole man.

[New Mitanni]

If I were that poor girl's stepfather, I would make sure that every inmate at the prison where the kidnapper ends up knows who that POS is and why he's there. With any luck he'll end up like Jeffrey Dahmer.

im sure they will all know who he is without any special effort on the part of the stepfather.

and dahmer was killed in prison in wisconsin where a lifer can kill a piece of shit like that without incurring an extra penalty--no capital punishment in wisconsin.

Unfortunately, so far that POS can't be charged with a capital crime, thanks to the foolish majority on the US Supreme Court.

If, however, he is later connected with serial killings in the area, as has been reported, then we might get lucky and be able to stick him the needle. In which case some inmate could do us right and save the taxpayer the expense of the next twenty years of BS appeals.

[Rhodmhire]

I could see kidnapping someone to keep her as your sex slave, but not for that long. After a while, wouldn't the thrill just wear off?

Your sig is correct.

[Taeshan]

"Sexual penetration" is an actual crime, or should it actually read "of a minor"?

Most likely.