Girl Found After Eighteen Years Missing

[Hairless Kitten II]

I'm glad she escaped.

Now she'll write a book, there will be a movie soon and she will get extremely rich. Which is good.

It's not that rare that women have knowledge of the criminal behaviour of their husbands and even help them in this kind of crimes.

[Andorias]

Execute that bastard!

Why?

It would be interesting to perform an experiment whereby this story is presented to a sampling of, say, 1, 000 people.

The only question would be: what do you think? - and a short blank space for the answer, less that 100 words,

I'd like to see the difference between those whose thoughts turn directly to revenge on the perpetrator and those who consider the plight of the victim,

If I could break it all down by gender age and etc., I'd like to see those results,
That would be interesting. I don't see the point in revenge.

Well he ruined her life so we're going to ruin his. The wife is a bitch too.
There should be a reset button for events like this.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Execute that bastard!

Why?

It would be interesting to perform an experiment whereby this story is presented to a sampling of, say, 1, 000 people.

The only question would be: what do you think? - and a short blank space for the answer, less that 100 words,

I'd like to see the difference between those whose thoughts turn directly to revenge on the perpetrator and those who consider the plight of the victim,

If I could break it all down by gender age and etc., I'd like to see those results,
That would be interesting. I don't see the point in revenge.

Well he ruined her life so we're going to ruin his. The wife is a bitch too.
There should be a reset button for events like this.

And that will not prevent similar cases in the future. Such people do not think about eventual punishments, these are not normal people. That doesn't mean you should protect the society against such creatures: lifetime imprisonment without any chances of early release would do. The people that commit such crimes count enormous amounts recidivists...

Revenge is bad justice, my friend.

[Greed and Death]

If this were Texas we would already have his execution date scheduled.

[Barringtonia]

Wait, how did you assholes make it so I'm quoted as saying 'Execute the bastard',

That's not right, that's not right at all,

[Ashmoria]

Wait, how did you assholes make it so I'm quoted as saying 'Execute the bastard',

That's not right, that's not right at all,

just bad removal of quote tags to fit in forum requirements im pretty sure. i have trouble with that kind of thing all the time.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I'm glad she escaped.

Now she'll write a book, there will be a movie soon and she will get extremely rich. Which is good.

It's not that rare that women have knowledge of the criminal behaviour of their husbands and even help them in this kind of crimes.

/end thread

Is there really anything more to discuss?

[Huerdae]

18 years.

We don't put people in prison that long very often, even. That's effectively where she was, even if she became acclimated. And assuming rape, as well...

...as far as I'm concerned, those two destroyed her life. I would honestly try them for murder.

She missed what most people consider the prime of her life. From 11 to 29, she was a prisoner. What would your life be like, if you were missing that part of your life? Could you even get a reasonable job?

[Ashmoria]

I'm glad she escaped.

Now she'll write a book, there will be a movie soon and she will get extremely rich. Which is good.

It's not that rare that women have knowledge of the criminal behaviour of their husbands and even help them in this kind of crimes.

/end thread

Is there really anything more to discuss?

we could discuss how a man on parole for rape could hide a captive in his back yard for 18 years...

we could discuss the horror of having 2 children with your rapist without even so much as one doctor's visit...

we could discuss how awful it is to be suspected of being involved with the kidnapping of your step daughter...

[Ifreann]

Ugh, the mind boggles in disgust.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8225621.stm
I am...I am just...I'm not sure I have any words for this. The emotional side of me rages for some sort of harsh punishment towards the kidnappers, but the rational side of me forces me to ask, what sort of punishment can we justify for this without treating the crime with an emotional bias?

Eighteen years, to begin with, in hard labor. The time she was gone from her family? Seems fair and rational.
Part of me wants to repeatedly waterboard this bastard and his wife, though.

And his wife? Not that I support torture, but we don't even know if his wife did anything wrong yet.

[Chazaka]

18 years.

We don't put people in prison that long very often, even. That's effectively where she was, even if she became acclimated. And assuming rape, as well...

...as far as I'm concerned, those two destroyed her life. I would honestly try them for murder.

She missed what most people consider the prime of her life. From 11 to 29, she was a prisoner. What would your life be like, if you were missing that part of your life? Could you even get a reasonable job?

What about her two children? Never seen a doctor, never went to school. Ones already 15, they're probably even more screwed up then their mother who had at least some thing of a normal childhood before the kidnapping. How the heck are they going to integrate into society?

And how the heck didn't the neighbors get suspicious, surely they would have heard something, showers aren't exactly quite and she couldn't have been that quite at first.. Sigh we really are cut off from our neighbors..

[The Ben Boys]

good for herself, escaping and all

[Chazaka]

good for herself, escaping and all

Did you read the article?
She didn't escape, the alleged prev brought her to his parole officer and "confessed" during questioning.

I'm confused about this part:

Phillip Garrido has a conviction for rape and was paroled in 1999, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

If one is paroled doesn't that mean one was in jail for at least a time? and if she was abducted in 1991, who was watching her during the time he was in jail/on trial?

[Virtud Tierra]

The local radio station DJ is pretty sure she was'nt actually physically trapped at that location, since she made no attempt to escape for 18 years. It sounds like the girl ran away, abandoned her family and decided to live with the sex offender dude and his wife in just a normal fucked up relationship and she decided to live in the guy's backyard.

Or maybe I'm just being cynical, but I find it harder to believe that she was some sort of unwilling prisoner that never had an oppurtunity to escape untill the old man accidently/intentionally brought her to his goddamn parole officer.

[Farnhamia]

The local radio station DJ is pretty sure she was'nt actually physically trapped at that location, since she made no attempt to escape for 18 years. It sounds like the girl ran away, abandoned her family and decided to live with the sex offender dude and his wife in just a normal fucked up relationship and she decided to live in the guy's backyard.

Or maybe I'm just being cynical, but I find it harder to believe that she was some sort of unwilling prisoner that never had an oppurtunity to escape untill the old man accidently/intentionally brought her to his goddamn parole officer.

The local DJ, huh? Where's his degree in psychology from?

Stockholm Syndrome?

[Ifreann]

I'm confused about this part:

Phillip Garrido has a conviction for rape and was paroled in 1999, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

If one is paroled doesn't that mean one was in jail for at least a time? and if she was abducted in 1991, who was watching her during the time he was in jail/on trial?

Who says anyone needed to watch her? She could have been physically restrained. Or she could have been too afraid to try and escape.

Edit: Or Stockholm Syndrome.

[Chazaka]

I'm confused about this part:

Phillip Garrido has a conviction for rape and was paroled in 1999, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

If one is paroled doesn't that mean one was in jail for at least a time? and if she was abducted in 1991, who was watching her during the time he was in jail/on trial?

Who says anyone needed to watch her? She could have been physically restrained. Or she could have been too afraid to try and escape.

Edit: Or Stockholm Syndrome.

Because I doubt her food/water supply would last long enough if he was sent to prison...

The local radio station DJ is pretty sure she was'nt actually physically trapped at that location, since she made no attempt to escape for 18 years. It sounds like the girl ran away, abandoned her family and decided to live with the sex offender dude and his wife in just a normal fucked up relationship and she decided to live in the guy's backyard.

Or maybe I'm just being cynical, but I find it harder to believe that she was some sort of unwilling prisoner that never had an oppurtunity to escape untill the old man accidently/intentionally brought her to his goddamn parole officer.

Your local DJ is an idiot and you didn't read the article, her stepfather saw her being napped(of course he could be lying to cover his own hide but I'd trust his word over someone that wasn't even there). And as others have already mentioned theres plenty of reasons that one won't run away after a certain amount of time and she was 11 when she was abducted, threatening that he could kill her mother/children if she ran away would be a pretty big reason to not try, anyway she was in a strange setting and likely didn't know anyone where would she have ran to?

[Yazdegerd]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8225621.stm

Missing US girl found 18 years on

A US woman found after being abducted as a girl in 1991 gave birth to two children fathered by her alleged kidnapper, police say.

Jaycee Lee Dugard and the children, aged 11 and 15, were kept in a "hidden backyard within a backyard".

Alleged kidnapper Phillip Garrido, 58, and his wife Nancy Garrido, 54, are being held in custody in California.

DNA tests are being done to establish Ms Dugard's identity, but meanwhile she has been reunited with her mother.

Ms Dugard disappeared in 1991, aged 11, from outside her Lake Tahoe home, apparently taken by two people.

El Dorado County Undersheriff Fred Kollar she had lived with the couple, isolated from view at a property in Antioch near San Francisco since the kidnapping.

"The tents and outbuildings in the backyard were placed in a strategic arrangement to inhibit outside viewing and to isolate the victims from outside contact."

The three spent "most of their lives" there, he said, adding that they had never been to school or seen a doctor.

Their identities were revealed after Mr Garrido was spotted by police at the University of California Berkeley campus with the two young children.

He raised suspicions because as a registered sex offender he was not allowed to be with young children.

Phillip Garrido has a conviction for rape and was paroled in 1999, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

He was called in by his parole officer for questioning, and brought the two children and a young woman he called Allissa with him.

During questioning he revealed that Allissa was actually Ms Dugard. She also confirmed her identity to police.

At the Antioch property, there was also a vehicle hidden in the backyard which matched the vehicle originally described at the time of the abduction, Mr Kollar said.

"It's a pretty spectacular story just to find someone like that. Someone we assumed was dead," said Bill Clark, a senior prosecutor in El Dorado County.

Jimmie Lee, a local police spokesman, said Mr Garrido was also being held for investigation of rape by force, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor and sexual penetration.

Under suspicion

As news spread of Ms Dugard's apparent re-appearance, her stepfather Carl Probyn told ABC News in the US that her family was now convinced she was coming back to them.

"I had personally given up hope," he said, saying that he just wanted to find the people responsible.

Mr Probyn was watching on 10 June 1991, as the young girl was apparently taken away by two unidentified people.

The incident occurred as she was walking from her home to a school bus stop in the southern Lake Tahoe town of Meyers.

“ She sounds like she's okay. I hope she's been well treated this entire 18 years ”
Carl Probyn Stepfather

Her stepfather - who initially came under suspicion in her disappearance and is now estranged from Ms Dugard's mother - has described how a stranger drove up and grabbed Ms Dugard, bundling her into a grey car even as she tried to resist by kicking and screaming.

Mr Probyn believed a man and woman were in the vehicle. Despite several false reports of sightings in the intervening years, Ms Dugard was never seen again.

"She sounds like she's okay," he said.

"She had a conversation with my wife and she remembers things. I hope she's been well treated this entire 18 years."

"To have this happen where we get her back alive, and where she remembers things from the past, and to have people in custody is a triple win," he told the Sacramento Bee newspaper.

I am...I am just...I'm not sure I have any words for this. The emotional side of me rages for some sort of harsh punishment towards the kidnappers, but the rational side of me forces me to ask, what sort of punishment can we justify for this without treating the crime with an emotional bias?

TL;DR

[Barringtonia]

The local radio station DJ is pretty sure she was'nt actually physically trapped at that location, since she made no attempt to escape for 18 years. It sounds like the girl ran away, abandoned her family and decided to live with the sex offender dude and his wife in just a normal fucked up relationship and she decided to live in the guy's backyard.

Or maybe I'm just being cynical, but I find it harder to believe that she was some sort of unwilling prisoner that never had an oppurtunity to escape untill the old man accidently/intentionally brought her to his goddamn parole officer.

The local DJ, huh? Where's his degree in psychology from?

Stockholm Syndrome?

It doesn't really have to be Stockholm Syndrome, which can be part but separate to why she didn't try to escape.

We've no idea of the first few days, the first few weeks, the extent to which we was kept captive. Her reward for not struggling, for not trying to escape, is a little freedom, a loosening of the ropes, an extra meal...

After a while she's basically institutionalised, that's more a reason than identifying with her captor as such.

That radio Dj is an insensitive and uneducated asshole, to cast such aspersions over her based on the end of her captivity, when she had some degree of freedom compared to the start of her captivity, and the basic rape she went through,

Horrifying, some people comment with no thought,

[Dimoniquid]

Eighteen years? No way! That is a long time... and an isolated ranch as well! Woah...

[JewCat]

thats just a little messed up.
how could his wife be okay with him having sex with this kid?


or worse, he threatened her too?

what a messed up situation....

however, it is nice that she was reunited with her family.

[Hairless Kitten II]

thats just a little messed up.
how could his wife be okay with him having sex with this kid?


or worse, he threatened her too?

what a messed up situation....

however, it is nice that she was reunited with her family.

There are several similar cases worldwide. I don't have time now, but I can explain you the basics of the 'why'. I'll do it later.

[JewCat]

The local radio station DJ is pretty sure she was'nt actually physically trapped at that location, since she made no attempt to escape for 18 years. It sounds like the girl ran away, abandoned her family and decided to live with the sex offender dude and his wife in just a normal fucked up relationship and she decided to live in the guy's backyard.

Or maybe I'm just being cynical, but I find it harder to believe that she was some sort of unwilling prisoner that never had an oppurtunity to escape untill the old man accidently/intentionally brought her to his goddamn parole officer.

The local DJ, huh? Where's his degree in psychology from?

Stockholm Syndrome?

It doesn't really have to be Stockholm Syndrome, which can be part but separate to why she didn't try to escape.

We've no idea of the first few days, the first few weeks, the extent to which we was kept captive. Her reward for not struggling, for not trying to escape, is a little freedom, a loosening of the ropes, an extra meal...

After a while she's basically institutionalised, that's more a reason than identifying with her captor as such.

That radio Dj is an insensitive and uneducated asshole, to cast such aspersions over her based on the end of her captivity, when she had some degree of freedom compared to the start of her captivity, and the basic rape she went through,

Horrifying, some people comment with no thought,

right?

and going back to how young she was...
eleven years old! when you are told something young, so often, it will usually stay on your mind for life. i still remember things my mother, or grandmother always used to tell me.
imagine how an eleven year old is going to react to her kidnapper/rapist telling her if she tries to run he'll kill her and her family.
that's got to leave some emotional scars...that woman and her children will never be able to live a decent life. They are forever scarred. i honestly feel sorry that they were made from such a situation.

[Chazaka]

Oh my, the guy had a business called God's Desire.. and the neighbors were suspicious, and called the sheriff before and he did investigate but didn't find anything it seems...
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13222539?source=most_viewed

The alleged kidnapper/prev is one crazy fu**

"Wait until you hear the story of what took place at this house," he said. "You are going to be completely impressed. It's a disgusting thing that took place with me at the beginning. But I turned my life completely around, and to be able to understand that, you have to start there."

Turning his life around kept him busy for "the last several years,'' Garrido said, adding the big surprise will come from Dugard.

"You're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, the victim — you wait. If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backwards and in the end, you're going to find the most powerful heartwarming story.'' he said.

He had already served time for kidnapping/sexual assault even...

Garrido had served time for kidnapping a woman in the Lake Tahoe area in 1976 and driving her to Reno, where he sexually assaulted her. He was given a 50-year federal sentence and a five-years-to-life sentence to be served concurrently. He was paroled in Nevada in 1988.

[Virtud Tierra]

Oh my, the guy had a business called God's Desire.. and the neighbors were suspicious, and called the sheriff before and he did investigate but didn't find anything it seems...
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13222539?source=most_viewed

The alleged kidnapper/prev is one crazy fu**

You're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, the victim — you wait. If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backwards and in the end, you're going to find the most powerful heartwarming story.'' he said.

Ok, so not only is this old guy some kinda mindfuck master of psychological manipulation, he is cunning enough to hide these people from the neighbors, and a police search, all the while running a business and holding a steady marriage? Yet he is a criminal rapist dude.

This story is just too bizzare to make sense of.