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Should the President keep running for reelection?

Yes. He should keep running come hell or high water.
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No. He should ragequit because he has no chance in hell.
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I don't care who wins. I'm moving to Canada.
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Total votes : 197

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Postby Xanixi » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:21 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Keronians wrote:Yes. Republicans are batshit insane.

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are not batshit insane.

Obama on the other hand, is economically illiterate.



dude, you are so badass at explaining why the refuckers arent insane, and why Obama is economically illiterate. GREAT WORK.

(I just wanna point out the US Government almost shut down because the Refuckers didnt feel like handing out more money. This was probably because they're like "ooh, lets cut 32 billion dollars from what the country NEEDS, and put them into our pockets. How does that sound guys?" *grabs blunt* I think thats just a teensy bit borderline insane level 300. just a thought.)
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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:19 am

Keronians wrote:Yes. Republicans are batshit insane.

That is insane.
If he cannot get crap done in government he is no use to america.
I rather have someone who can actually get something moving in politics.
Obama has been forced into a corner and the main reason everyone voted for him was because people wanted a black pres.To be part of history.
All well and good till you actually need someone to lead and do something.
Too many people bought the brooklyn bridge by voting him in though.
Plenty of people still willing to buy it again lol.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:38 am

Lessnt wrote:
Keronians wrote:Yes. Republicans are batshit insane.

That is insane.
If he cannot get crap done in government he is no use to america.
I rather have someone who can actually get something moving in politics.
Obama has been forced into a corner and the main reason everyone voted for him was because people wanted a black pres.To be part of history.
All well and good till you actually need someone to lead and do something.
Too many people bought the brooklyn bridge by voting him in though.
Plenty of people still willing to buy it again lol.

The problem is, the "Something" is often times detrimental, useless, xenophobic, racist, and/or unconstitutional when it comes to the candidates currently running for the GOP.

Yes, I'd like Obama to actually "Get shit done", but that shit needs to be something worth doing.

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:41 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:That is insane.
If he cannot get crap done in government he is no use to america.
I rather have someone who can actually get something moving in politics.
Obama has been forced into a corner and the main reason everyone voted for him was because people wanted a black pres.To be part of history.
All well and good till you actually need someone to lead and do something.
Too many people bought the brooklyn bridge by voting him in though.
Plenty of people still willing to buy it again lol.

The problem is, the "Something" is often times detrimental, useless, xenophobic, racist, and/or unconstitutional when it comes to the candidates currently running for the GOP.

Yes, I'd like Obama to actually "Get shit done", but that shit needs to be something worth doing.

4 more years of being blocked....and nothing getting done....more division....sounds bad.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:43 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:The problem is, the "Something" is often times detrimental, useless, xenophobic, racist, and/or unconstitutional when it comes to the candidates currently running for the GOP.

Yes, I'd like Obama to actually "Get shit done", but that shit needs to be something worth doing.

4 more years of being blocked....and nothing getting done....more division....sounds bad.

Rehashing Bush Policies, eliminating Social Programs, outright discrimination and segregation, etc., sound worse.

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:45 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:4 more years of being blocked....and nothing getting done....more division....sounds bad.

Rehashing Bush Policies, eliminating Social Programs, outright discrimination and segregation, etc., sound worse.

Who do you really think will do that?
If the republicans win they will divide and you will find more moderate policies on the table.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:49 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Rehashing Bush Policies, eliminating Social Programs, outright discrimination and segregation, etc., sound worse.

Who do you really think will do that?
If the republicans win they will divide and you will find more moderate policies on the table.

I doubt it. They're using the same economics advisors as Bush, so they'll rehash his policies(moreso than is being done already), all of them are on record as supporting "Cut, Cap, and Balance", a literal attack on Social Programas of all kinds, and many of them have signed pledges saying they'll fight to stop Gays from having equal rights.

And if they win, and have control of Congress, which seems all too likely, there's really no need to "moderate" any of those positions.

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:51 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Who do you really think will do that?
If the republicans win they will divide and you will find more moderate policies on the table.

I doubt it. They're using the same economics advisors as Bush, so they'll rehash his policies(moreso than is being done already), all of them are on record as supporting "Cut, Cap, and Balance", a literal attack on Social Programas of all kinds, and many of them have signed pledges saying they'll fight to stop Gays from having equal rights.

And if they win, and have control of Congress, which seems all too likely, there's really no need to "moderate" any of those positions.

I think you believe all the propaganda too much.
Plenty of reasonable people there.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:52 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Rehashing Bush Policies, eliminating Social Programs, outright discrimination and segregation, etc., sound worse.

Who do you really think will do that?
If the republicans win they will divide and you will find more moderate policies on the table.

Oh no, we've heard this one before...like a...uh...man once said, "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:53 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I doubt it. They're using the same economics advisors as Bush, so they'll rehash his policies(moreso than is being done already), all of them are on record as supporting "Cut, Cap, and Balance", a literal attack on Social Programas of all kinds, and many of them have signed pledges saying they'll fight to stop Gays from having equal rights.

And if they win, and have control of Congress, which seems all too likely, there's really no need to "moderate" any of those positions.

I think you believe all the propaganda too much.
Plenty of reasonable people there.

Those are Romney, Perry, and Bachmann, the Top Three. It's not propaganda if they're saying and doing it themselves.

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:54 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Who do you really think will do that?
If the republicans win they will divide and you will find more moderate policies on the table.

Oh no, we've heard this one before...like a...uh...man once said, "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

I would say the same thing about Obama.

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Postby GeneralHaNor » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:54 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Who do you really think will do that?
If the republicans win they will divide and you will find more moderate policies on the table.

I doubt it. They're using the same economics advisors as Bush, so they'll rehash his policies(moreso than is being done already), all of them are on record as supporting "Cut, Cap, and Balance", a literal attack on Social Programas of all kinds, and many of them have signed pledges saying they'll fight to stop Gays from having equal rights.

And if they win, and have control of Congress, which seems all too likely, there's really no need to "moderate" any of those positions.


Do you really expect any of them to keep their word?

All Politicians are crooks and liars, there are no exceptions, signing pledges (even horrid ones) is how you convince the gullible to vote for you (or really just vote, because the system is farcical sham)
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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:56 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:I think you believe all the propaganda too much.
Plenty of reasonable people there.

Those are Romney, Perry, and Bachmann, the Top Three. It's not propaganda if they're saying and doing it themselves.

Eh....I think there are far more republicans with power.
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You should not make assumptions about groups based on a minority.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:58 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I doubt it. They're using the same economics advisors as Bush, so they'll rehash his policies(moreso than is being done already), all of them are on record as supporting "Cut, Cap, and Balance", a literal attack on Social Programas of all kinds, and many of them have signed pledges saying they'll fight to stop Gays from having equal rights.

And if they win, and have control of Congress, which seems all too likely, there's really no need to "moderate" any of those positions.


Do you really expect any of them to keep their word?

All Politicians are crooks and liars, there are no exceptions, signing pledges (even horrid ones) is how you convince the gullible to vote for you (or really just vote, because the system is farcical sham)

So, let me get this straight...You're saying that I should vote for a guy who's telling me he's going to fuck me over, rather than the guy who isn't claiming he's going to fuck me over, because the former is probably lying?

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:59 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Those are Romney, Perry, and Bachmann, the Top Three. It's not propaganda if they're saying and doing it themselves.

Eh....I think there are far more republicans with power.
AND!
You should not make assumptions about groups based on a minority.

They're the frontrunners to the party! Who the hell are you supposed to base its policies on? Their janitor?

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:00 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Eh....I think there are far more republicans with power.
AND!
You should not make assumptions about groups based on a minority.

They're the frontrunners to the party! Who the hell are you supposed to base its policies on? Their janitor?

The majority.

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:02 am

Maurepas wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:
Do you really expect any of them to keep their word?

All Politicians are crooks and liars, there are no exceptions, signing pledges (even horrid ones) is how you convince the gullible to vote for you (or really just vote, because the system is farcical sham)

So, let me get this straight...You're saying that I should vote for a guy who's telling me he's going to fuck me over, rather than the guy who isn't claiming he's going to fuck me over, because the former is probably lying?

Obama promised many things.
Yet he has not gotten around to any of it.
Obama.....fool me once shame on you....fool me twice shame on me....

Will you believe the man telling you he will fix your problems?

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Postby Norstal » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:02 am

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Keronians wrote:Yes. Republicans are batshit insane.

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are not batshit insane.

Ron Paul has a medical degree and he believes in Creationism.

And I know you care more about economics than science...or anything really, but that's insanity.

Don't know about Gary Johnson though.

Obama on the other hand, is economically illiterate.

Lulz. I'm not voting presidents based on social science alone.
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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:05 am

Norstal wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are not batshit insane.

Ron Paul has a medical degree and he believes in Creationism.

And I know you care more about economics than science...or anything really, but that's insanity.

Don't know about Gary Johnson though.

Obama on the other hand, is economically illiterate.

Lulz. I'm not voting presidents based on social science alone.

But we have religious scientists.

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Postby Norstal » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:06 am

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Postby PapaJacky » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:06 am

New Manvir wrote:There's still more than a year until the next election, plenty can happen in that time. Also, the Republicans are a joke.


Basically the same here, I'd vote Obama just to not have to deal with neo-cons running the country again.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:07 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:So, let me get this straight...You're saying that I should vote for a guy who's telling me he's going to fuck me over, rather than the guy who isn't claiming he's going to fuck me over, because the former is probably lying?

Obama promised many things.
Yet he has not gotten around to any of it.
Obama.....fool me once shame on you....fool me twice shame on me....

Will you believe the man telling you he will fix your problems?

I'm just saying there's a difference between the guy who says he's gonna help you pay the rent, and fails to do so, and the guy who's saying he doesn't think you should have a house at all, and is in fact actively campaigning to ensure it's going to be taken away.

I know that if I have a choice between the two, it's gotta be the former.

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Postby Lessnt » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:08 am

Maurepas wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Obama promised many things.
Yet he has not gotten around to any of it.
Obama.....fool me once shame on you....fool me twice shame on me....

Will you believe the man telling you he will fix your problems?

I'm just saying there's a difference between the guy who says he's gonna help you pay the rent, and fails to do so, and the guy who's saying he doesn't think you should have a house at all, and is in fact actively campaigning to ensure it's going to be taken away.

I know that if I have a choice between the two, it's gotta be the former.

I think that is an unfair analogy.

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Postby Norstal » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:10 am

Lessnt wrote:
Norstal wrote:Ron Paul has a medical degree and he believes in Creationism.

And I know you care more about economics than science...or anything really, but that's insanity.

Don't know about Gary Johnson though.


Lulz. I'm not voting presidents based on social science alone.

But we have religious scientists.

And? Is religion somehow incompatible with Evolution?

I don't trust a doctor who doesn't accept evolution, must as I don't trust a mechanic who thinks combustion engines doesn't exist.
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Postby Maurepas » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:11 am

Lessnt wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I'm just saying there's a difference between the guy who says he's gonna help you pay the rent, and fails to do so, and the guy who's saying he doesn't think you should have a house at all, and is in fact actively campaigning to ensure it's going to be taken away.

I know that if I have a choice between the two, it's gotta be the former.

I think that is an unfair analogy.

If you say so, I just know that, my sister, for example, is going to college and paying for it out of her own pocket on a minimum wage job. I had some hope of Obama helping both of us with paying for our college. He's failed to do anything to bring the costs down.

Now I'm really pissed off about that, but the Republican alternatives are saying that they want to take away minimum wage entirely.

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