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Postby Orcoa » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:46 am

No it was not a good place to live for one reason...The sith were in power and anytime when a Sith is in power, nothing is good about life. If I had a choice between the Empire and The Rebellion..I would pick The Rebellion anytime of the day
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Postby New Manvir » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:47 am

And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:00 am

Orcoa wrote:No it was not a good place to live for one reason...The sith were in power and anytime when a Sith is in power, nothing is good about life. If I had a choice between the Empire and The Rebellion..I would pick The Rebellion anytime of the day


Why is it that when the "Sith are in power" "nothing is good in life"?

You make the statement, but give no examples, and do not back it up at all. Do you have any real reasons aside from "because"?

Also, until George vomited that crap out, the emperor wasn't Sith either. Darth Vader has been listed several times as "The" Dark "Lord" of the Sith, while the emperor, until the new movies came out, was never described as such.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:03 am

New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.


Still good for everyone not on Alderaan.... ;)

Though that was a pretty big dick move.
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Postby Putria » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:40 am

New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.


I think you guys are not understanding that in the Star Wars universe, planets are a dime-a-dozen. Easy to terraform, live on, and profit off of. Heck, entire planets are owned by a single company (not the huge, sprawling ones either) and easily decimate anyone living there. Your homeworld got blown up because you were actively supporting rebellion? Go find a new one.
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Postby New Manvir » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:51 am

Putria wrote:
New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.


I think you guys are not understanding that in the Star Wars universe, planets are a dime-a-dozen. Easy to terraform, live on, and profit off of. Heck, entire planets are owned by a single company (not the huge, sprawling ones either) and easily decimate anyone living there. Your homeworld got blown up because you were actively supporting rebellion? Go find a new one.


There's so many things wrong with this that I don't even know where to start. How about the fact that killing billions of innocent people is bad?
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Postby Nazis in Space » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:03 am

Would you like to live in a country whose military dresses in uniforms that look like full body diapers?

I didn't think so.

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Postby Britain Germany and Scandinavia » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:03 pm

Yeah the empire was awesome, free dental and a fuck load of taun taun kebabs

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Postby Britain Germany and Scandinavia » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:04 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:Would you like to live in a country whose military dresses in uniforms that look like full body diapers?

I didn't think so.


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Postby Orcoa » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:05 pm

Der Teutoniker wrote:
Orcoa wrote:No it was not a good place to live for one reason...The sith were in power and anytime when a Sith is in power, nothing is good about life. If I had a choice between the Empire and The Rebellion..I would pick The Rebellion anytime of the day


Why is it that when the "Sith are in power" "nothing is good in life"?

You make the statement, but give no examples, and do not back it up at all. Do you have any real reasons aside from "because"?

Also, until George vomited that crap out, the emperor wasn't Sith either. Darth Vader has been listed several times as "The" Dark "Lord" of the Sith, while the emperor, until the new movies came out, was never described as such.

Really? Ok then, give me one example of a sith run government that did not break human/alien rights. The empire was not a good place to live because even if the emperor was not a sith himself and he is a sith because he has been shown to have knowledge of the dark side and could use it...yeah I would not like the idea of living under a empire run by a power mad wizard that shot lightining out of his finger tips
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Postby JJ Place » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:51 pm

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The Empire did have an entire Galaxy worth of resources to develop technology on. Technology was developed on blood; not quite a sustainability production method, nor that much of an accomplishment all considered.



More scapegoats of Palpatine's plan; remember that Star Wars only grants a window into the actual participation. All of the species weren't particularly inclined against the Republic in the Clone Wars, Palpatine only makes the situation out to this to build his credibility and bolster his position in leadership. Palpatine was a complete a-hole; to give the Emperor his dues, he knew quite a few tricks to governance, particularly those of psychotic dictatorial governance.


I'll admit, the Empire was indeed violent, but they DID rely on Aliens somewhat. For example, their spy on Tatooine in the first movie? He certaintly was not Human.


Somewhat. A few hand selected individuals whom where racial non-human were placed in higher-government roles through-out the Empire, however, as a general truth though-out the Empire, non-humans were treated miserably under Imperial control.

Putria wrote:Blood doesn't make a very good building matieral...


Yes, blood is not a typical building material; but it does provide quite a good incentive to keep sentient production working, fearfully, at that.
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Postby Naboui » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:03 pm

I think excluding EU content kind of makes this very wrong. I wonder though are you including the "Novelisation" of Star Wars books (mainly the Book III) as a part of EU content?

The original trilogy doesn't shed any light on the reasons of rebellion, it just starts with a full fledged war, so we cannot judge whether Empire would be bad place to live or not. (But, of course if you were a citizen of Alderaan, I'd imagine the idea wouldn't have felt terrific) The prequel trilogy just shows us the systematic problems in Republic's structures. It ends before we get to examining how Empire was.

So, I'd say the data is insufficient to make a call if we exclude EU material. If we include EU then there's no question, unless you were a human living on one of the core worlds, things were awful.

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Postby JJ Place » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:14 pm

Putria wrote:
New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.


I think you guys are not understanding that in the Star Wars universe, planets are a dime-a-dozen. Easy to terraform, live on, and profit off of. Heck, entire planets are owned by a single company (not the huge, sprawling ones either) and easily decimate anyone living there. Your homeworld got blown up because you were actively supporting rebellion? Go find a new one.


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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:22 pm

No; Any political entity that loses to Ewoks is not deserving of its existence as a governing body.

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Postby Offenheim » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:31 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:No; Any political entity that loses to Ewoks is not deserving of its existence as a governing body.

Hear hear.
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Postby United Dependencies » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:37 pm

JJ Place wrote:Being killed by the super-laser of a moon-sized Imperial military battlestation does not allow you to look for a new homeworld. It makes you dead.

I'm going to let that sit in my signature for a while.
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:42 pm

Not Palpatine's Galactic Empire.

Living in the Fel Empire would have been teh shiznit, though.
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:48 pm

Meridiani Planum wrote:I don't know about the Empire, but Dooku's confederacy sounds like it should have been given a chance.

The CIS was a blatant attempt by business interests to force the Republic to submit to their rule. They were just as bad as the Empire was.
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Postby GreaterPacificNations » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:59 pm

New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.

A rebel planet. The empire says that Alderan was state sponsor of terrorism- that they were ading, abetting and harbouring violent, armed rebels. Alderaan was a military target, the fact that they fight their war by hiding behind innocent women and children is what causes this kind of collatoral damage. The skulking rebellion killed the people of Alderaan- they would never been in the crossfire if the rebellion had faced the Empire out in the open like men.

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Postby Mongolian Khanate » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:59 pm

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New East Ireland wrote:It was no bigger than a womp rat! And what were they suppose to do, slap some ply wood on it?

Put shields on the damn thing. Seriously, how in HELL is an enemy squadron with various rather powerful ships able to fly right onto your space station? Ever heard of shields, they're cool, they keep those damn flies from blowing shit up. That or have computers man the turrets, not humans.


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Postby Mongolian Khanate » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:00 pm

GreaterPacificNations wrote:A rebel planet. The empire says that Alderan was state sponsor of terrorism- that they were ading, abetting and harbouring violent, armed rebels. Alderaan was a military target, the fact that they fight their war by hiding behind innocent women and children is what causes this kind of collatoral damage. The skulking rebellion killed the people of Alderaan- they would never been in the crossfire if the rebellion had faced the Empire out in the open like men.


Uh... what?
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:00 pm

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New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.

A rebel planet. The empire says that Alderan was state sponsor of terrorism- that they were ading, abetting and harbouring violent, armed rebels. Alderaan was a military target, the fact that they fight their war by hiding behind innocent women and children is what causes this kind of collatoral damage. The skulking rebellion killed the people of Alderaan- they would never been in the crossfire if the rebellion had faced the Empire out in the open like men.

They didn't have to blow it up. Surely not every person on Alderaan aided to the rebels?
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Postby GreaterPacificNations » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:01 pm

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Meridiani Planum wrote:I don't know about the Empire, but Dooku's confederacy sounds like it should have been given a chance.

The CIS was a blatant attempt by business interests to force the Republic to submit to their rule. They were just as bad as the Empire was.

Nonsense, the CIS was a coalition of industrialists, capitalists, and traders who wanted out of the Galatic Republic's failed bureaucracy. They weren't fighting to conquer the galaxy, but to seceed.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:06 pm

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New Manvir wrote:And Mussolini kept the trains running on time, or so we're told.

Also, these people blew up a FUCKING PLANET with probably billions of inhabitants.

A rebel planet. The empire says that Alderan was state sponsor of terrorism- that they were ading, abetting and harbouring violent, armed rebels. Alderaan was a military target, the fact that they fight their war by hiding behind innocent women and children is what causes this kind of collatoral damage. The skulking rebellion killed the people of Alderaan- they would never been in the crossfire if the rebellion had faced the Empire out in the open like men.

While I am in no way defending the ideas of the Rebellion, the Empire forced itself into a bad position with that one; Alderaan was a major planet, as I understand, likely a location on major trade routes and housed prominent senators and representatives to the Empire, such as Princess Leia. By destroying the planet, they might have killed of some rebels--not much, considering they still had enough to win the war--but they most certainly let themselves appear weak and fearful; Who else but a scared child would blow up a planet at the mere instigation of rebellion, rather than go down and rout the upstarts themselves? To continue, they also provided the Rebellion with something of an Alamo cry; What better a show of Imperial cruelty than the destruction of a reportedly peaceful world?
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