Education Thread: Why are the youth disrespectful?

[The Truth and Light]

For those who do believe above poster. Here is Source

School is Prison. We are FORCED to go there. Have you people of Truancy Officers. People who go hunting for kids not in school.

No, it's not. Prison's purpose is punishment, a school is education. They're slightly different, no matter what teens would like to think.

In some places prison is for education as well. It's honestly a "depends who you ask" thing. Some people think prison is great.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Yes, and if a child is truant, then the parent is liable to go to an actual prison where things tend to far less pleasant than schools.

So even if you believe school is a prison, just quityerbitchin, go to the darn place and spare your parents the likelihood of having to go to a real prison.

I take it you like the status quo.

There's a huge difference between seeing room for improvement and whining in extremes.

[The Truth and Light]

I take it you like the status quo.

There's a huge difference between seeing room for improvement and whining in extremes.

Agreed.

But I don't think the OP is whining. He's actually less emphatic than some other people here.

[NERVUN]

No, it's not. Prison's purpose is punishment, a school is education. They're slightly different, no matter what teens would like to think.

In some places prison is for education as well. It's honestly a "depends who you ask" thing. Some people think prison is great.

Really? Can you show me a criminial sentenced to prison to be educated? Can you show me where in the laws it states a person guilty of a crime shall be sentenced to a building for a few hours each day to gain knowledge and experience?

I'd love to see this. I really would.

Some prison philosopies have stressed rehabilitation, which is quite different from education. And given the culture that defines the words, they aren't meant to make a better person of you, they're there to rub your nose in it that you did wrong.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

There's a huge difference between seeing room for improvement and whining in extremes.

Agreed.

But I don't think the OP is whining. He's actually less emphatic than some other people here.

I didn't actually point my finger at the OP, but comparing schools to prisons simply seems akin to a temper tantrum to me. I honestly envision a kid with his/her arms crossed, pouting, and saying, "B-but, I don't want to have to do things I don't like."

I've known far too many people in the prison system to find this comparison realistic, or take it seriously.

[The Truth and Light]

Agreed.

But I don't think the OP is whining. He's actually less emphatic than some other people here.

I didn't actually point my finger at the OP, but comparing schools to prisons simply seems akin to a temper tantrum to me. I honestly envision a kid with his/her arms crossed, pouting, and saying, "B-but, I don't want to have to do things I don't like."

I've known far too many people in the prison system to find this comparison realistic, or take it seriously.

I can understand that. And I agree that one is not the other.

But do you think students deserve more freedom? Or less? Or the same? That seems to me to be the root question of the OP.

[NERVUN]

I didn't actually point my finger at the OP, but comparing schools to prisons simply seems akin to a temper tantrum to me. I honestly envision a kid with his/her arms crossed, pouting, and saying, "B-but, I don't want to have to do things I don't like."

I've known far too many people in the prison system to find this comparison realistic, or take it seriously.

I can understand that. And I agree that one is not the other.

But do you think students deserve more freedom? Or less? Or the same? That seems to me to be the root question of the OP.

Ah, now here's a tricky question, do you mean freedom or rights?

[The Truth and Light]

I can understand that. And I agree that one is not the other.

But do you think students deserve more freedom? Or less? Or the same? That seems to me to be the root question of the OP.

Ah, now here's a tricky question, do you mean freedom or rights?

I think both are implied.

[NERVUN]

Ah, now here's a tricky question, do you mean freedom or rights?

I think both are implied.

In terms of freedoms, students have more. They also have more rights than prisoners.

Both groups however do not have the same ammounts as (non-convicted) adults. The first because of their criminal convictions that according to law forefits some of those rights and freedoms, and the second due to age, because a very convincing case can be made that children (And teens, with very fuzzy boundries) do not have the ability to fully understand those rights and freedoms.

[Southern Babylonia]

C'mon people. Each generation will have to rebel against the previous one. Learn it. I'm a teen and quite rebellious, although I've decided smashing windows is kinda dumb. I think It's natural for my generation to seem disrespectful, and those who should really grow up are those who are stuck in the 50s and get ticked off at us for having a different mindset.

[The Black Forrest]

C'mon people. Each generation will have to rebel against the previous one. Learn it. I'm a teen and quite rebellious, although I've decided smashing windows is kinda dumb. I think It's natural for my generation to seem disrespectful, and those who should really grow up are those who are stuck in the 50s and get ticked off at us for having a different mindset.

I'm sorry did you say something?

[Grainne Ni Malley]

But do you think students deserve more freedom? Or less? Or the same? That seems to me to be the root question of the OP.

The answer to this question relies heavily upon varying factors such as the school age of the child in question, the actual quality of the school (many schools, even in the public system, are structured differently and some offer more freedoms than others already), and the actual educational needs of each individual child.

The problem is that it would be very difficult for schools to determine the individual needs of each and every child that goes through the system. This should be more of a parental call really.

Some kids thrive better with a structured routine that has set boundaries. Others thrive best in a personal environment where one-on-one education can be provided. Some people simply do not thrive in the school system at all and find the means of doing their own things, while still becoming hugely successful. James Whitcomb Riley comes to mind (someone I learned about in school *gasp* )

Standard educational subjects such as math and language studies should be required of all children, IMO, but catered to their level of comprehension. Otherwise, I personally would like to see more of an elective-based routine throughout grades K-12, not just in high school. I also think teachers should remain objective and keep their personal agendas out of the education system. There are a lot of things I envision for an improved education system, but I do not feel like going into that much depth currently.

[Southern Babylonia]

C'mon people. Each generation will have to rebel against the previous one. Learn it. I'm a teen and quite rebellious, although I've decided smashing windows is kinda dumb. I think It's natural for my generation to seem disrespectful, and those who should really grow up are those who are stuck in the 50s and get ticked off at us for having a different mindset.

I'm sorry did you say something?

Yes indeed I did. And sorry but I don't understand the point of your question.

[ZombieRothbard]

I think both are implied.

In terms of freedoms, students have more. They also have more rights than prisoners.

Both groups however do not have the same ammounts as (non-convicted) adults. The first because of their criminal convictions that according to law forefits some of those rights and freedoms, and the second due to age, because a very convincing case can be made that children (And teens, with very fuzzy boundries) do not have the ability to fully understand those rights and freedoms.

The amount of freedom or rights is irrelevant, what makes a prison a prison is the condition of confinement and, well, imprisonment.

[NERVUN]

In terms of freedoms, students have more. They also have more rights than prisoners.

Both groups however do not have the same ammounts as (non-convicted) adults. The first because of their criminal convictions that according to law forefits some of those rights and freedoms, and the second due to age, because a very convincing case can be made that children (And teens, with very fuzzy boundries) do not have the ability to fully understand those rights and freedoms.

The amount of freedom or rights is irrelevant, what makes a prison a prison is the condition of confinement and, well, imprisonment.

Already shown that's not the case, no matter how many times you stick your fingers in your ears.

[The Black Forrest]

In terms of freedoms, students have more. They also have more rights than prisoners.

Both groups however do not have the same ammounts as (non-convicted) adults. The first because of their criminal convictions that according to law forefits some of those rights and freedoms, and the second due to age, because a very convincing case can be made that children (And teens, with very fuzzy boundries) do not have the ability to fully understand those rights and freedoms.

The amount of freedom or rights is irrelevant, what makes a prison a prison is the condition of confinement and, well, imprisonment.

Your definition is silly.

Prison: convicts have to stay.

School: Students can go home.

[Norstal]

In terms of freedoms, students have more. They also have more rights than prisoners.

Both groups however do not have the same ammounts as (non-convicted) adults. The first because of their criminal convictions that according to law forefits some of those rights and freedoms, and the second due to age, because a very convincing case can be made that children (And teens, with very fuzzy boundries) do not have the ability to fully understand those rights and freedoms.

The amount of freedom or rights is irrelevant, what makes a prison a prison is the condition of confinement and, well, imprisonment.

Yep. Like life. We should rebel against Mother Nature.

[Southern Babylonia]

a note about schools:

While I don't agree with the statement that school is jail, I think it needs changes for students like me to like it. First we need to get rid of useless rules in buses as the chance the bus will have an accident is about 1 out of 1000, and also in the schools (I've heard stories of some schools who wouldn't let students talk in the cafeteria), also give the student council power to do something for once. We should be aloud to talk to each other in class once in a while, and do stuff that has a TINY chance of slightly hurting us

[Norstal]

We should be aloud to talk to each other in class once in a while, and do stuff that has a TINY chance of slightly hurting us

Take a philosophy class then. You'd get to talk and enrage the other kids in the class.

[Southern Babylonia]

We should be aloud to talk to each other in class once in a while, and do stuff that has a TINY chance of slightly hurting us

Take a philosophy class then. You'd get to talk and enrage the other kids in the class.

I'm a philosophy class myself based on the fact that I'm a human being and I already enrage the people I want to enrage quite a bit

[Linux and the X]

I think both are implied.

In terms of freedoms, students have more. They also have more rights than prisoners.

Untrue. See the study by Epstein I referenced earlier.

Both groups however do not have the same ammounts as (non-convicted) adults. The first because of their criminal convictions that according to law forefits some of those rights and freedoms, and the second due to age, because a very convincing case can be made that children (And teens, with very fuzzy boundries) do not have the ability to fully understand those rights and freedoms.

Really? There's a convincing argument that all children lack such abilities? And does that really matter? Most adults don't understand all of their rights and freedoms either -- that's why we hire financial advisors, lawyers, doctors....

[ZombieRothbard]

The amount of freedom or rights is irrelevant, what makes a prison a prison is the condition of confinement and, well, imprisonment.

Yep. Like life. We should rebel against Mother Nature.

Again, this is a horribly stupid argument. You are equating mandated prison with nature, there is no comparison to be made.

[ZombieRothbard]

The amount of freedom or rights is irrelevant, what makes a prison a prison is the condition of confinement and, well, imprisonment.

Already shown that's not the case, no matter how many times you stick your fingers in your ears.

Can you show me where it has been shown otherwise? All I saw were definitions of prison from alternative sources.

[NERVUN]

a note about schools:

While I don't agree with the statement that school is jail, I think it needs changes for students like me to like it. First we need to get rid of useless rules in buses as the chance the bus will have an accident is about 1 out of 1000, and also in the schools (I've heard stories of some schools who wouldn't let students talk in the cafeteria), also give the student council power to do something for once. We should be aloud to talk to each other in class once in a while, and do stuff that has a TINY chance of slightly hurting us

So... you want the ability to cause acidents and disrupt classes?

[Conserative Morality]

Again, this is a horribly stupid argument. You are equating mandated prison with nature, there is no comparison to be made.

Except that nature confines and imprisons us.