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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:33 pm

Since the other topic was locked, I wanted to make my own. The usual responses to why kids are disrespectful now adays are typically things like:

Family unit is breaking down, teachers cannot physically beat kids anymore, schools do not have enough authority over the children, parents are not strict enough with their children, kids are not medicated enough, there isn't enough religion in schools, there is no enforced dress codes in many schools, there isn't enough funding etc etc.

Basically, the fact that children have any sorts of rights is what the problem is according to such folk. The concept is simple: lock the children up and beat them into law abiding citizens, drug them to be docile and agreeable, and most of all, teach them to follow authority.

I have a different reason for the decline of Americas youth in particular.

1. Children are treated like criminals, and they will in turn act like criminals. There is nothing that says "you are a criminal" more than locking a child up for the better half of the day. Once in school, kids form their own cliques (equivalent to prison gangs) and segregate themselves based on class, race etc.

2. Parents don't give a shit about their kids, mainly because there is a free daycare available. This free daycare is the public education system, which provides an opportunity to dump your kids off in jail all day, and incentivizes it. Have you ever wondered why the school day often starts at 7 in the morning, when studies show that children learn better when they actually get sleep? The reason why is because the parents need to be off to work by that time, so they need to be able to throw their kids in the daycare early in the morning. Nothing says "I don't give a shit about you" more than abandoning your child in a prison for the day.

3. Some kids aren't meant to be in school. Children are energetic, and they don't always sit in a desk for hours and hours when you want them to. Kids learn better at early ages, so you need to make sure you can mould their minds into the husks you want them to be early on, so instead of waiting for them to be mentally and emotionally mature enough for schooling, you chemically lobotomize them so they will comply with your demands easier.

4. School offers an opportunity to teach kids that nothing can ever be accomplished, and that life is a waste of time. Before anything of substance can be completed in the classroom, the bell rings and you are off to your next menial task. Basically, this is how the system turns kids into procrastinators. John Gatto, a former teacher of the year writes about the REAL lessons kids learn in the classroom. Instead of listing them all here, I will just direct you to this link.

5. Instead of gaining working experience and bonding time with their parents, children are forced to go to compulsory prison. At a young age, children should be working part time and learning important habits like the value of hard work and the value of money. After work, children should come home to a loving parent who homeschools them one on one and teaches them all the necessary fields of study. Instead of relegating the parenting of your child to a bunch of bureaucrats, a parent should stay home and affectionately guide their children, cultivating their interests and stirring their imaginations.

So what do you think of my reasons for the disrespectful youth, and my solutions I intermittently offered throughout? There are more, these are just the first five things I thought to write down.
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Postby JJ Place » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:41 pm

Old forms of propaganda aren't quite as effective, coupled with the additional years of advancement of humanity. Kids are quite good individually; it's a number of existing social problems that affect behavior.
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:43 pm

Quite frankly, the large excuses taken in how the school or how the laws are interpreted regarding use is grossly expanded beyond any sensible proportion.
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Postby Ryadn » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:43 pm

What grade are you in right now?
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:44 pm

Ryadn wrote:What grade are you in right now?


College
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Postby JJ Place » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:45 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Best Prison Ever.


No, that's the bondage prison down the street. That's, the Best Prison Ever, particularly in spectation.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:47 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:College

Then you should know better by now.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:48 pm

JJ Place wrote:No, that's the bondage prison down the street. That's, the Best Prison Ever, particularly in spectation.

You're right. And that bondage prison also prepares you for the real world. :lol:
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Postby Ryadn » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:49 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:College

Then you should know better by now.


Pretty much. S/he was probably just released from 'prison' this summer.
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Postby Dazchan » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:50 pm

Socrates wrote:The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers.


Yeah, everyone assumes the worst of the following generation. The simple answer about why youth are disrespectful comes from the label: they're youth.
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Postby JJ Place » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:53 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
JJ Place wrote:No, that's the bondage prison down the street. That's, the Best Prison Ever, particularly in spectation.

You're right. And that bondage prison also prepares you for the real world. :lol:

All but for one aspect; there is no underground railroad out of that slavery ;)
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:56 pm

Ryadn wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Then you should know better by now.


Pretty much. S/he was probably just released from 'prison' this summer.


I have been in college for 3 years now. Believe it or not, there are people in their 40s and older who advocate homeschooling as well. In fact, John Gatto whose article I linked in the OP advocates for a revamping of the education system, and he is an older gentlemen who was teacher of the year in NYS 1991. So your attack on my age as being somehow relevant is erroneous at best.
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:57 pm

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JJ Place wrote:No, that's the bondage prison down the street. That's, the Best Prison Ever, particularly in spectation.

You're right. And that bondage prison also prepares you for the real world. :lol:


Public education doesn't prepare you for the real world, it is a socialist experience that is supposed to prepare you for the marketplace. Kids go to school, then they go home and play video games while being subsidized by the taxpayer and their parents. It isn't preparing you for competing in the real world, that's for damn sure.
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:58 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:College

Then you should know better by now.

That's really not getting anyone any where.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:59 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:Public education doesn't prepare you for the real world, it is a socialist experience that is supposed to prepare you for the marketplace. Kids go to school, then they go home and play video games while being subsidized by the taxpayer and their parents. It isn't preparing you for competing in the real world, that's for damn sure.

Gotta watch out for them commies.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:00 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:That's really not getting anyone any where.

Neither is advocating the destruction of public knowledge and widespread literacy/scientific literacy.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:02 pm

I think homeschooling is a dandy alternative (if you don't mind having your social life obliterated), provided home-schooled kids take government tests on a regular basis.
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:03 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I think homeschooling is a dandy alternative (if you don't mind having your social life obliterated), provided home-schooled kids take government tests on a regular basis.

Depends on the social life. The benefit isn't as rigid as the accepted means.
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Seperate Vermont wrote:That's really not getting anyone any where.

Neither is advocating the destruction of public knowledge and widespread literacy/scientific literacy.


You haven't contributed a shred of substance to this topic thus far. I don't recall you ever contributing substance in the past either. I am starting to actually add people to an ignore list, so if you care at all about getting responses from me, you will start making posts that are relevant and substantive.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:11 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:You haven't contributed a shred of substance to this topic thus far. I don't recall you ever contributing substance in the past either. I am starting to actually add people to an ignore list, so if you care at all about getting responses from me, you will start making posts that are relevant and substantive.

By all means, ignore me if you wish.
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:15 pm

CM, I think what Roth is trying to say is, it seems like it is always the same process with threads like these. In general, and this is not pointing the blame on you nor pointing you out in any way, but by and large one side never goes beyond the "Kiddies need to go back to 6th grade" remarks.

You come across as a great debater. These things just do not seem to help debate.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:15 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:You're right. And that bondage prison also prepares you for the real world. :lol:


Public education doesn't prepare you for the real world, it is a socialist experience that is supposed to prepare you for the marketplace. Kids go to school, then they go home and play video games while being subsidized by the taxpayer and their parents. It isn't preparing you for competing in the real world, that's for damn sure.


Maths and English, quite unnecessary.

But that stuff you learn at college, well that's vital for competing in the marketplace.
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Ailiailia wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:
Public education doesn't prepare you for the real world, it is a socialist experience that is supposed to prepare you for the marketplace. Kids go to school, then they go home and play video games while being subsidized by the taxpayer and their parents. It isn't preparing you for competing in the real world, that's for damn sure.


Maths and English, quite unnecessary.

But that stuff you learn at college, well that's vital for competing in the marketplace.


I am specifically talking about public schooling, not college.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:17 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:CM, I think what Roth is trying to say is, it seems like it is always the same process with threads like these. In general, and this is not pointing the blame on you nor pointing you out in any way, but by and large one side never goes beyond the "Kiddies need to go back to 6th grade" remarks.

You come across as a great debater. These things just do not seem to help debate.

I don't recall you ever contributing substance in the past either.

Nah, Roth just can't stand the fact that I don't view anarchism or free-market capitalism as in any way viable or desirable ideologies. He's just doing what he always does, is all.
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