Ted Kennedy

[Sdaeriji]

Ashmoria & Muravyets

I'm gonna end this before a mod has to come in here. You can keep your belief in the state, and I'll keep my belief in freedom. kthxbye.

You say you believe in freedom, yet you condemn the democratic choice that us citizens of Massachusetts made in electing Mr. Kennedy. How do you reconcile these hypocritical views?

[Gauthier]

Ashmoria & Muravyets

I'm gonna end this before a mod has to come in here. You can keep your belief in the state, and I'll keep my belief in freedom. kthxbye.

You say you believe in freedom, yet you condemn the democratic choice that us citizens of Massachusetts made in electing Mr. Kennedy. How do you reconcile these hypocritical views?

Its the New Mitanni Theory of Democracy. When you agree with the outcome, it's "the Will of the People." When you don't agree, it's clearly "manipulation by Godless Communist Ebil Mozlemz".

[Conservatives states]

Ashmoria & Muravyets

I'm gonna end this before a mod has to come in here. You can keep your belief in the state, and I'll keep my belief in freedom. kthxbye.

You say you believe in freedom, yet you condemn the democratic choice that us citizens of Massachusetts made in electing Mr. Kennedy. How do you reconcile these hypocritical views?

Democracy at best is an unnecessary formation of people, at it's worst it's tyrannical Imprisonment.

[Sdaeriji]

Ashmoria & Muravyets

I'm gonna end this before a mod has to come in here. You can keep your belief in the state, and I'll keep my belief in freedom. kthxbye.

You say you believe in freedom, yet you condemn the democratic choice that us citizens of Massachusetts made in electing Mr. Kennedy. How do you reconcile these hypocritical views?

Democracy at best is an unnecessary formation of people, at it's worst it's tyrannical Imprisonment.

Ah, so you do not believe in freedom.

[Tunizcha]

You say you believe in freedom, yet you condemn the democratic choice that us citizens of Massachusetts made in electing Mr. Kennedy. How do you reconcile these hypocritical views?

Democracy at best is an unnecessary formation of people, at it's worst it's tyrannical Imprisonment.

Ah, so you do not believe in freedom.

Don't use a strawman. I agree with you, but strawmen can lead to the fall of even the best debaters.

[Libetarian Republics]

I think Ted Kennedy is getting less attention than MIcheal Jackson. Really, everybody listens to music everyday. But not alot of people keep up with politics. In my eyes, Ted Kennedy is one of the greatest. He deserve the attention and credit. But being a politican, you do things to serve your country and you might not even get the appreciation from the people you represent.

Also, Ted Kennedy survives to be a grandfather. JFK and all his brothers got killed. He survived the Kennedy Curse. Ted Kennedy is the greatest senator ever. His legacy will live in future-generation of politics.

[Sdaeriji]

Don't use a strawman. I agree with you, but strawmen can lead to the fall of even the best debaters.

An even greater peril for debaters is the misuse of logical fallacies.

[Tunizcha]

Don't use a strawman. I agree with you, but strawmen can lead to the fall of even the best debaters.

An even greater peril for debaters is the misuse of logical fallacies.

But Democracy is not always equivalent to freedom, per se. And I'm having trouble whether remembering if that was a slippery slope argument or a strawman.

[Conservatives states]

Ok this is all I'm gonna say about democracy. Democracy subjugates any and all individuals into compliance through force. Anarchy allows everyone to be total d-bags, but ensures that if someone wants to rid (not in a forceful way, necessarily) themselves of d-bags they can. People who don't want to be involved with idiots or unsavory characters can create a community of like-minded people. Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

[Ashmoria]

Ok this is all I'm gonna say about democracy. Democracy subjugates any and all individuals into compliance through force. Anarchy allows everyone to be total d-bags, but ensures that if someone wants to rid (not in a forceful way, necessarily) themselves of d-bags they can. People who don't want to be involved with idiots or unsavory characters can create a community of like-minded people. Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

*rolling my eyes*

oh yeah id love to be run by d-bags instead of an elected democracy. your freedom doesnt seem very free.

[Conservatives states]

Ok this is all I'm gonna say about democracy. Democracy subjugates any and all individuals into compliance through force. Anarchy allows everyone to be total d-bags, but ensures that if someone wants to rid (not in a forceful way, necessarily) themselves of d-bags they can. People who don't want to be involved with idiots or unsavory characters can create a community of like-minded people. Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

*rolling my eyes*

oh yeah id love to be run by d-bags instead of an elected democracy. your freedom doesnt seem very free.

Glad you actually read it. Read again, It didn't say anything about being run by d-bags.

[Sdaeriji]

Ok this is all I'm gonna say about democracy. Democracy subjugates any and all individuals into compliance through force. Anarchy allows everyone to be total d-bags, but ensures that if someone wants to rid (not in a forceful way, necessarily) themselves of d-bags they can. People who don't want to be involved with idiots or unsavory characters can create a community of like-minded people. Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

Your opinion of what would actually happen in an "anarchy" is amusingly naive.

[Pakidaotuz]

that fat bitch Ted Kennedy killed his gf and ran off until the next day. What a waste. He shoulda have dropped by the way-side years ago.

[Conservatives states]

Ok this is all I'm gonna say about democracy. Democracy subjugates any and all individuals into compliance through force. Anarchy allows everyone to be total d-bags, but ensures that if someone wants to rid (not in a forceful way, necessarily) themselves of d-bags they can. People who don't want to be involved with idiots or unsavory characters can create a community of like-minded people. Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

Your opinion of what would actually happen in an "anarchy" is amusingly naive.

I'd say the same about your "democracy". But it would be completely unnecessary. It's ugly face shows every day.

[Free Soviets]

Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

taxation and any force whatsoever are not bads to be avoided. they are required for society to function. however, freedom clearly is increased when free association is more strongly protected (note the word 'protected' though - this, like most things, requires enforcement).

but as far as democracy goes, think of it like this - there will always be decisions to be made that affect more than just you, decisions that affect groups. so the question is, what is a just procedure for deciding for groups? as far as i can see, the options are either a) some ruling over the rest or b) everyone having a fair say. only one of those is plausibly an instance of freedom. option a can only be free in so far as everyone has agreed to it via some b-like process.

[Muravyets]

Ok this is all I'm gonna say about democracy. Democracy subjugates any and all individuals into compliance through force. Anarchy allows everyone to be total d-bags, but ensures that if someone wants to rid (not in a forceful way, necessarily) themselves of d-bags they can. People who don't want to be involved with idiots or unsavory characters can create a community of like-minded people. Maybe voting is only a problem if it's intertwined with taxation, and force. If people were allowed to voluntarily leave, and voluntarily stay there would be no problem.

Your opinion of what would actually happen in an "anarchy" is amusingly naive.

Aren't anarchist opinions always naive? Though I grant they're not always amusing.

[Saint Jade IV]

The Dead Kennedys have a new band member? awesome

You're terrible.

[Shawadonia]

Yeah, that miserable SoB actually got the voting age lowered to 18. I mean, what the fuck was he thinking? Obviously, only about the destruction of the nation. And that bullshit about getting the same funding for women's college sports as men's college sports. What a terrible influence that was. And all that time he spent getting body armor and armored Humvees that, you know, actually protected soldiers, delivered to our troops in Iraq. What a scumbag![/quote]

Yeah and back in 2000 he was at a town meeting and the camera was on him but he didnt know it was running and he said, "Damn they are taking over the place." referring to the black people that showed up. Yeah a true advocate for equality. And he killed that woman he was having an affair with and then covered it up.

[Muravyets]

Yeah and back in 2000 he was at a town meeting and the camera was on him but he didnt know it was running and he said, "Damn they are taking over the place." referring to the black people that showed up. Yeah a true advocate for equality. And he killed that woman he was having an affair with and then covered it up.

Bullshit, unless you have the youtube link. And I notice that you do not dispute his legislative history. You only vaguely mention some apocryphal remark that you can't even quote or put into any context, as if your storytelling negates his voting record.

And just plain bullshit about the death. It was a car accident, for fuck's sake.

[Free Soviets]

Aren't anarchist opinions always naive?

no

[CHINGEYINABOTTLE]

Ted Kennedy was one of the greatest senators in the history of the US. He will be missed.

Wow
He left a women trapped underwater in a car.

[Tunizcha]

Ted Kennedy was one of the greatest senators in the history of the US. He will be missed.

Wow
He left a women trapped underwater in a car.

Social issues shouldn't be a measure of one's ability to be a good senator and stand for your ideals.

[CHINGEYINABOTTLE]

Ted Kennedy was one of the greatest senators in the history of the US. He will be missed.

Wow
He left a women trapped underwater in a car.

Social issues shouldn't be a measure of one's ability to be a good senator and stand for your ideals.

He was a bad man.

[New Kereptica]

He was a bad man.

And a brilliant senator. He was also quite nice in person.

[CHINGEYINABOTTLE]

Ted Kennedy was one of the greatest senators in the history of the US. He will be missed.

Wow
He left a women trapped underwater in a car.

Social issues shouldn't be a measure of one's ability to be a good senator and stand for your ideals.

He was a bad man.