Should Any Unrecognised Nations Be Recognised?

[Risottia]

Oh, I completely agree. Either the PRC needs to relinquish claims on the RoC or the RoC needs to relinquish claims on the PRC, though.

...well... actually the claims of RoC extend on more than just mainland China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_A ... Claims.svg

they want to rule also all of Mongolia, some bits of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistand, India, Myanmar and Russia.

Basically they're a free-market version of Best Korea as for nuttiness. Maybe I'll start calling them "Best China".

[West Vandengaarde]

Oh, I completely agree. Either the PRC needs to relinquish claims on the RoC or the RoC needs to relinquish claims on the PRC, though.

...well... actually the claims of RoC extend on more than just mainland China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_A ... Claims.svg

they want to rule also all of Mongolia, some bits of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistand, India, Myanmar and Russia.

Basically they're a free-market version of Best Korea as for nuttiness. Maybe I'll start calling them "Best China".

That's because they descend from Nationalist China. The Nationalist part is the part to be focused on.

[South Asia Minor]

Good old Nationalist China and their affiliations with the Nazis.

[West Vandengaarde]

Good old Nationalist China and their affiliations with the Nazis.

Actually, their army was styled after the Red Army in the USSR, and although they had German military advisers, the USSR primarily supported the Kuomintang until the CCP had the upper hand in the civil war. (It also doesn't help that when the USSR told them to work with the Kuomintang, they disobeyed Stalin and attacked the Nationalists)

[Risottia]

That's because they descend from Nationalist China. The Nationalist part is the part to be focused on.

More than just "nationalist", they strike me as "expansionist" (you know, Mongols or Tajiks aren't exactly ethincally Chinese).
No wait... maybe more like "delusional".

[The Corparation]

Oh, I completely agree. Either the PRC needs to relinquish claims on the RoC or the RoC needs to relinquish claims on the PRC, though.

...well... actually the claims of RoC extend on more than just mainland China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_A ... Claims.svg

they want to rule also all of Mongolia, some bits of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistand, India, Myanmar and Russia.

Basically they're a free-market version of Best Korea as for nuttiness. Maybe I'll start calling them "Best China".

The RoC need to really wake up and face reality, they might get more respect if they just decided to call themselves the Republic of Taiwan or something similar and gave up their juvenile hopes for controlling the mainland..

[Elipida]

Sealand!

[South Asia Minor]

Good old Nationalist China and their affiliations with the Nazis.

Actually, their army was styled after the Red Army in the USSR, and although they had German military advisers, the USSR primarily supported the Kuomintang until the CCP had the upper hand in the civil war. (It also doesn't help that when the USSR told them to work with the Kuomintang, they disobeyed Stalin and attacked the Nationalists)

I'm not saying they weren't affiliated with the USSR.
They were affiliated with the Nazis.

[West Vandengaarde]

That's because they descend from Nationalist China. The Nationalist part is the part to be focused on.

More than just "nationalist", they strike me as "expansionist" (you know, Mongols or Tajiks aren't exactly ethincally Chinese).
No wait... maybe more like "delusional".

No, it was lands that were administered by the Chinese traditionally until Western nations destroyed China's borders.

The RoC need to really wake up and face reality, they might get more respect if they just decided to call themselves the Republic of Taiwan or something similar and gave up their juvenile hopes for controlling the mainland..

You're silly. They existed before the PRC.

[N3wgr0unds]

Western Sahara

[Augustus Este]

Any (Potential, or Partially recognized )Nation, where the majority of people living in the land it would have sovereignty over support the the creation of said nation.

[West Vandengaarde]

Actually, their army was styled after the Red Army in the USSR, and although they had German military advisers, the USSR primarily supported the Kuomintang until the CCP had the upper hand in the civil war. (It also doesn't help that when the USSR told them to work with the Kuomintang, they disobeyed Stalin and attacked the Nationalists)

I'm not saying they weren't affiliated with the USSR.
They were affiliated with the Nazis.

Just barely, and all the cooperation ended when Japan was attacked by the PRC.

[Salvarity]

Oh, I completely agree. Either the PRC needs to relinquish claims on the RoC or the RoC needs to relinquish claims on the PRC, though.

...well... actually the claims of RoC extend on more than just mainland China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_A ... Claims.svg

they want to rule also all of Mongolia, some bits of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistand, India, Myanmar and Russia.

Basically they're a free-market version of Best Korea as for nuttiness. Maybe I'll start calling them "Best China".

Best China and Best Korea. Imagine them warring in the Best War

[South Asia Minor]

I'm not saying they weren't affiliated with the USSR.
They were affiliated with the Nazis.

Just barely

Significantly.

[Unilisia]

Tibet, East Turkestan (still a few of them buggers claiming independence), Palestine, Kurdistan (I am partial towards the Turks, but the Kurds need some land too. Then again, they could take it from Iraq and Iran...)

[Empire of Symphonia]

Republic of China for the win.

Why?

Because I'd rather be living there instead of being on the Mainland, where protesters, non-Communist reformists, and those who do not conform with the CCP are being "silenced". The silence doesn't mean that they have died, but have been subjected to various injustices and then forced to be quiet out of fear.

Being Han Chinese, I am proud of China. But not it's Mainland government.

[Threlizdun]

If the majority of the populace desire to be recongized as an independent nation, then I personally believe they should be.

[Unilisia]

The RoC need to really wake up and face reality, they might get more respect if they just decided to call themselves the Republic of Taiwan or something similar and gave up their juvenile hopes for controlling the mainland..

You're silly. They existed before the PRC.

That doesn't really matter when they acted like a dictatorship for most of their existence and their self-styling of a Republic was a facade. Sure, nowadays the RoC is a nicer place to live than the Mainland (freedom-wise), but that doesn't change the fact that the RoC committed its on atrocious acts in the past. They both are equally in the wrong.

[Lafida]

South Ossetia, Azhailia or whatever it is in Georgia, and that Moldovan soviet country that has a little chunck of land in Moldova.
Those are 3 unrecognized nations i know right now. Im not sure for this question.

[West Vandengaarde]

You're silly. They existed before the PRC.

That doesn't really matter when they acted like a dictatorship for most of their existence and their self-styling of a Republic was a facade. Sure, nowadays the RoC is a nicer place to live than the Mainland (freedom-wise), but that doesn't change the fact that the RoC committed its on atrocious acts in the past. They both are equally in the wrong.

In my opinion, though many would disagree, the PRC's past is far worse although as you say, both were atrocious regarding individual rights.
The PRC fought only one or two battles against the Japanese during the Sino-Japanese War and spent most of their time building up to attack the Kuomintang, or actually attacking their forces and then lying about the causes, mostly playing them off as misunderstandings or miscommunication. In addition, Mao Tse-Tung welcomed the Japanese because they would kill off many nationalists. The bulk of the Chinese despised the CCP and only listened to them when they had killed off the Kuomintang on the mainland.

[The Corparation]

The RoC need to really wake up and face reality, they might get more respect if they just decided to call themselves the Republic of Taiwan or something similar and gave up their juvenile hopes for controlling the mainland..

You're silly. They existed before the PRC.

How does that change anything I said. They have no say about anything that goes on on the mainland and they still think its theirs. They need to man up and acknowledge that.

[West Vandengaarde]

You're silly. They existed before the PRC.

How does that change anything I said. They have no say about anything that goes on on the mainland and they still think its theirs. They need to man up and acknowledge that.

The people of China must want democracy somewhat. The Republic is democratic. Ergo, most Chinese would be happy under the Republic's rule, I assume. This gives them much legitimacy in my eyes.

[Ceannairceach]

How does that change anything I said. They have no say about anything that goes on on the mainland and they still think its theirs. They need to man up and acknowledge that.

The people of China must want democracy somewhat. The Republic is democratic. Ergo, most Chinese would be happy under the Republic's rule, I assume. This gives them much legitimacy in my eyes.

I trust you have proof that the people in China are clamoring for democracy of any form?

Anyway, what you are saying doesn't matter; The ROC has lost connection with the mainland, and the sun shall rise in the east before it regains control.

[West Vandengaarde]

The people of China must want democracy somewhat. The Republic is democratic. Ergo, most Chinese would be happy under the Republic's rule, I assume. This gives them much legitimacy in my eyes.

I trust you have proof that the people in China are clamoring for democracy of any form?

Anyway, what you are saying doesn't matter; The ROC has lost connection with the mainland, and the sun shall rise in the east before it regains control.

If there were mass disorder in the PRC and a revolution began, and gained the upper hand against the government, the RoC would probably either ally with the revolutionaries, or unite with them.

[Anacapri]

Palestine, Kurdistan and Cornwall.