Should Any Unrecognised Nations Be Recognised?

by **Ustex** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:43 am

Kemaliste wrote:that bulls*it was destroyed along with its sides by patriotic Kemalist revolution. Thanks to martyries. You can enforce a similar treaty to your country if you like it so much.

As for kurdistan, I don't mind if it will be in Iraq or Iran, but Turkish lands are certain today and will never change. We have enough lands for those who will attempt changing it to fill in. Just like their ancestors.

So you wouldn't mind Kurdistan in Iraq? Lovely, pass that on to the Turkish government, please. They still oppose it!

by **Kemaliste** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:43 am

Ustex wrote:
-St George wrote:Aye, but under what borders? Just Turkish Kurdistan? Just Iraqi Kurdistan? Just Iranian? Or all so-called Kurdish lands? Or something inbetween?

How about the borders stipulated by the Treaty of Sèvres?

Do you really suppose that treaty of sevres is still in force ?

by **Kemaliste** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:45 am

Ustex wrote:
Kemaliste wrote:that bulls*it was destroyed along with its sides by patriotic Kemalist revolution. Thanks to martyries. You can enforce a similar treaty to your country if you like it so much.

As for kurdistan, I don't mind if it will be in Iraq or Iran, but Turkish lands are certain today and will never change. We have enough lands for those who will attempt changing it to fill in. Just like their ancestors.

So you wouldn't mind Kurdistan in Iraq? Lovely, pass that on to the Turkish government, please. They still oppose it!

Turkish government doesn't oppose anything. They are well jump at selling our lands.

by **Snowenia** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:46 am

It could be revitalised, you know...

by **-St George** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:48 am

Ustex wrote:
-St George wrote:Aye, but under what borders? Just Turkish Kurdistan? Just Iraqi Kurdistan? Just Iranian? Or all so-called Kurdish lands? Or something inbetween?

How about the borders stipulated by the Treaty of Sèvres?

That would be terrible.

by **-St George** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:48 am

Ustex wrote:
-St George wrote:Aye, but under what borders? Just Turkish Kurdistan? Just Iraqi Kurdistan? Just Iranian? Or all so-called Kurdish lands? Or something inbetween?

How about the borders stipulated by the Treaty of Sèvres?

That would be terrible.

by **Ustex** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:48 am

Kemaliste wrote:
Ustex wrote:
So you wouldn't mind Kurdistan in Iraq? Lovely, pass that on to the Turkish government, please. They still oppose it!

Turkish government doesn't oppose anything. They are well jump at selling our lands.

I think your statement is belied by policy effected in 2005.

by **Ustex** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:49 am

-St George wrote:
Ustex wrote:
How about the borders stipulated by the Treaty of Sèvres?

That would be terrible.

Why?

by **Kemaliste** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:51 am

Ustex wrote:
-St George wrote:That would be terrible.

Why?

Wanna try it for your country ?

by **Great Agram** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:53 am

scotland should be recognized.

by **Kemaliste** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:54 am

Snowenia wrote:It could be revitalised, you know...

Only in your dreams :lol:

or some imperialists would like Turkish lands to be their tomb like their ancestors ? I don't think that westerns will do the same mistake again. They must have learnt somethings from the history. It is certain what happens to those who attempt to touch Turks.

by **-St George** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:03 am

Ustex wrote:
-St George wrote:That would be terrible.

Why?

Because Turkey would lose something like 40% of itself, and that's valuable land that would've been lost in the West, especially Istanbul the de facto capital of Turkey (because screw Ankara).

by **Ustex** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:04 am

If the AK Party becomes more islamist then it already is, Turkey would become a dictatorship. The election laws are rather rigging the game, you see?

Try the treaty of Sèvres on my country? It isn't mentioned in it. Turkey just grabbed a lot of territory that didn't belong to the Turkish people. After murdering over one million Armenians, expulsing tens of thousands of Greeks, and subjugating millions of Kurds, the Turkish republic was only allowed to keep its borders because it was an ally of the west against the SU.

SU is gone. Turkey is increasingy hostile to the west - the EU doesn't want all the hopeless unemployed extremists from Anatolia swamping its already fragile economy. Oppressing Christians still goes on in Turkey. Mentioning the Armenian holocaust will get you jailed. I'd venture that Turkey is running out of purposes. And religious extremism/ rampant nationalism will last only so long.

by **-St George** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:04 am

Great Agram wrote:scotland should be recognized.

Why? It's already recognised as a part of the United Kingdom.

by **Kemaliste** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:06 am

-St George wrote:especially Istanbul the de facto capital of Turkey (because screw Ankara).

Where it writes ? Ankara is the heart of Turkish Republic. Istanbul is just important for its tourism and history, but not a de-facto or something like that for my country. Like New York is not de-facto capital of USA.

by **Kemaliste** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:09 am

Ustex wrote:If the AK Party becomes more islamist then it already is, Turkey would become a dictatorship. The election laws are rather rigging the game, you see?

Try the treaty of Sèvres on my country? It isn't mentioned in it. Turkey just grabbed a lot of territory that didn't belong to the Turkish people. After murdering over one million Armenians, expulsing tens of thousands of Greeks, and subjugating millions of Kurds, the Turkish republic was only allowed to keep its borders because it was an ally of the west against the SU.

SU is gone. Turkey is increasingy hostile to the west - the EU doesn't want all the hopeless unemployed extremists from Anatolia swamping its already fragile economy. Oppressing Christians still goes on in Turkey. Mentioning the Armenian holocaust will get you jailed. I'd venture that Turkey is running out of purposes. And religious extremism/ rampant nationalism will last only so long.

White people grabbed a lot of territory that never belonged to them. When all of white people leave America, Australia etc. we may think. They'll do it first.

Btw, you said '' expulsing ''. We made a population exchange getting agree with Greek government of the time. They did the same. They expulsed the Turks in Greece as well. But I don't even mention the genocide attempts of bulgarians to my nation.

by **-St George** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:11 am

Ustex wrote:If the AK Party becomes more islamist then it already is, Turkey would become a dictatorship. The election laws are rather rigging the game, you see?

Try the treaty of Sèvres on my country? It isn't mentioned in it. Turkey just grabbed a lot of territory that didn't belong to the Turkish people. After murdering over one million Armenians, expulsing tens of thousands of Greeks, and subjugating millions of Kurds, the Turkish republic was only allowed to keep its borders because it was an ally of the west against the SU.

SU is gone. Turkey is increasingy hostile to the west - the EU doesn't want all the hopeless unemployed extremists from Anatolia swamping its already fragile economy. Oppressing Christians still goes on in Turkey. Mentioning the Armenian holocaust will get you jailed. I'd venture that Turkey is running out of purposes. And religious extremism/ rampant nationalism will last only so long.

@Bold not really.
@Underlined source.

And lol@Turkey being 'religious extremist'.

by **SD_Film Artists** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:01 am

Great Agram wrote:scotland should be recognized.

It already is recognised.

by **Keronians** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:14 am

Vecherd wrote:
-St George wrote:Any of those actually profess a desire for independence? Aside from ETA, I'm not sure how well Basque separatism is supported in the Basque Country.

Well all of them have had certain independence movements(except Svalbard).

Yeah, over 60% of the people in the Basque Country want to remain a part of Spain.

by **Retoa** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:21 am

Great Agram wrote:scotland should be recognized.

It can't be recognied when it hasn't even declared independence.

by **Darenjo** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:21 am

Already sorta-recognized nations:
1. Taiwan
2. NTC of Libya
3. Kosovo
4. Western Sahara (not necessarily the Polisario Front, although that currently is the alternate government to Morocco there)
5. Palestine

Non-recognized nations:
1. Abkhazia (Georgia's not going to get it back, and recognizing it may be a way to prevent Russia from annexing it)
2. Somaliland (It'd be nice to see a functioning government in the current territory of Somalia)

by **Vecherd** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:23 am

Keronians wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
Well all of them have had certain independence movements(except Svalbard).

Yeah, over 60% of the people in the Basque Country want to remain a part of Spain.

That many? I would never think 40% would want to leave Spain.

by **Xsyne** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:22 am

West Vandengaarde wrote:
Xsyne wrote:None of them. Instead, we should start unrecognizing recognized nations.

Which ones then?

All the ones with the letter "A" in their name.

by **SD_Film Artists** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:31 am

Xsyne wrote:
West Vandengaarde wrote:Which ones then?

All the ones with the letter "A" in their name.

United Kingdom

No 'A's ^^

by **SD_Film Artists** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:31 am

Xsyne wrote:
West Vandengaarde wrote:Which ones then?

All the ones with the letter "A" in their name.

United Kingdom

No 'A's ^^

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