Should Any Unrecognised Nations Be Recognised?

[West Vandengaarde]

None of them. Instead, we should start unrecognizing recognized nations.

Which ones then?

[Horsefish]

Soon Wales and Scotland, I hope.

Yes. Again, finally someone mentioned them. It has been on the news.

What would the point be?

[Archnar]

Know that I think about it the British Antarctic Territory should probably be recognised

[New East Ireland]

Know that I think about it the British Antarctic Territory should probably be recognised

Antarctican Republic FTW!

For me, probably Palestine and Sealand.

[Beringovia]

The thread, as I understand it, is about recognition of de-facto independent states. The current government of Purto Rico does not claim to be independent, and does not seek independence. You may not be aware of this but Puerto Rico has a democratically elected government, and there have been three referendums between 1967 and 1998 in Puerto Rico's political status. In each case fewer than 5% of Puerto Ricans voted for independence. Yes, there are some Puerto Ricans who want independence, but they are definitely not the majority.

Do you have a for the establishment of a second RP republic in 1950? I could find no references to it, though 1950 was the year that the US Congress passed enabling legislation for holding the convention which, ultimately, drew up PR's current constitution.

I'm not as familiar with the situation in Greenland, but my impression is that it is esentially similar in that it is not independent but does have a democratically elected government which exercices a great deal of autonomy, but does not claim independence, or seek independence.

Heard someone say the govt. of PR. is democratic in that they have elections every four years but during those four years they are dictatorial since they do not listen to the people. If the people complain they say that the elections are in four years. So every four years the same thing continues. It is has if they are manipulating democracy.

Read this on when they declared Independence for a second time (Second Republic)
http://nylatinojournal.com/home/puerto_ ... ution.html

Found a talk show that talked about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgMsMiVvZJk

Concerning Greenland, the Greenlanders had a referendum in 2008 which they got a majority Yes vote for more autonomy. So the Danes gave them more autonomy in 2009. There Inuit language would become official language and more revenue sharing for the Greenlanders. If they are able to become independent in the future they would be the first Inuit Independent nation. Inuit and Eskimos are under flags of other nations.

Read this - http://factoidz.com/greenland-a-fight-for-autonomy/
and this
http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2008/11/gree ... olony.html

The article reads like it was written by a disaffected leftist. I don't necessarily disagree that the U.S. overresponded to the situation, but the fact that remains that there have been three referendums on Puerto Rican independence, and all three times it has been rejected. And some Puerto Ricans complain that their leaders don't listen to them between elections? Well, join the club; it's not just you. The theory is that when the next election comes you vote in someone who you think will listen to you. I know it doesn't always work perfectly, but I will just paraphrase something Winston Churchill said: Democracy isn't perfect, it is just better than any of the alternatives.

And I still stand by my basic point. You can't recgonize either Puerto Rico or Greenland because in neither case there is any entity with a credible claim to be a de-facto independent government.

[Unilisia]

East Turkestan, Bashkortostan, Chuvashia, Gagauzia, Crimea, Tatarstan, Tuva, Altai Republic, Karachay-Cherkessia, Khakassia, Yakutiya, Kabardino-Balkaria, Taymyria, Karakalpakstan, Salarstan (aka Xunhua Salar), South Azerbaijan (part of Iran), Western Thrace

This is for dividers Long live Turks !

Holy mother of fuck you just raped the Motherland

[West Vandengaarde]

East Turkestan, Bashkortostan, Chuvashia, Gagauzia, Crimea, Tatarstan, Tuva, Altai Republic, Karachay-Cherkessia, Khakassia, Yakutiya, Kabardino-Balkaria, Taymyria, Karakalpakstan, Salarstan (aka Xunhua Salar), South Azerbaijan (part of Iran), Western Thrace

This is for dividers Long live Turks !

Holy mother of fuck you just raped the Motherland

Does it really need THAT much land though? I mean, it's a bit much...

[-St George]

Bir Tawil should be independent.

Oh, and give it the Hala'ib Triangle just for irony.

[-St George]

Know that I think about it the British Antarctic Territory should probably be recognised

Antarctican Republic FTW!

Ew.

[Distruzio]

None of them. Instead, we should start unrecognizing recognized nations.

Which ones then?

We could start with the nations on the UN Security Council.

[Quootar]

yes Taiwan (ROC)

[Vecherd]

The Confederate States of America
Svalbard
Western-Norway
Basque country
Transinitsra
Dissolving the UK and giving Cornwall independence.
Bavaria

[-St George]

The Confederate States of America
Svalbard
Western-Norway
Basque country
Transinitsra
Dissolving the UK and giving Cornwall independence.
Bavaria

Any of those actually profess a desire for independence? Aside from ETA, I'm not sure how well Basque separatism is supported in the Basque Country.

[Vecherd]

The Confederate States of America
Svalbard
Western-Norway
Basque country
Transinitsra
Dissolving the UK and giving Cornwall independence.
Bavaria

Any of those actually profess a desire for independence? Aside from ETA, I'm not sure how well Basque separatism is supported in the Basque Country.

Well all of them have had certain independence movements(except Svalbard).

[Grandais]

Palestine.

[Ustex]

Kurdistan. 40 million people without a nation state is preposterous.

[-St George]

Any of those actually profess a desire for independence? Aside from ETA, I'm not sure how well Basque separatism is supported in the Basque Country.

Well all of them have had certain independence movements(except Svalbard).

Cornwall's independence movement consisted of a bunch of University of Plymouth students playing a prank.

[Ustex]

And anyway, if the treaty of Sèvres (1920) had been honoured, Kurdistan would already have existed. The "national interests" of Turkey, Iran, and Iraq can cry me a river.

[-St George]

Kurdistan. 40 million people without a nation state is preposterous.

Aye, but under what borders? Just Turkish Kurdistan? Just Iraqi Kurdistan? Just Iranian? Or all so-called Kurdish lands? Or something inbetween?

[Serbia and Herzegovina (Ancient)]

Kosovo.

No, 15 out of 20 world biggest countreis didnt recognized Kosovo,so

[Vecherd]

Well all of them have had certain independence movements(except Svalbard).

Cornwall's independence movement consisted of a bunch of University of Plymouth students playing a prank.

Sounds good enough.

[Calldar]

Antarctican Republic FTW!

I'd like to see a Fascist Antarctica.

Y'know....anyone who isn't a Penguin gets sent off to camps where they're frozen to death.

[-St George]

Kosovo.

No, 15 out of 20 world biggest countreis didnt recognized Kosovo,so

NATO and the EU do, however, and they matter more than most.

[Kemaliste]

And anyway, if the treaty of Sèvres (1920) had been honoured, Kurdistan would already have existed. The "national interests" of Turkey, Iran, and Iraq can cry me a river.

that bulls*it was destroyed along with its sides by patriotic Kemalist revolution. Thanks to martyries. You can enforce a similar treaty to your country if you like it so much.

As for kurdistan, I don't mind if it will be in Iraq or Iran, but Turkish lands are certain today and will never change. We have enough lands for those who will attempt changing it to fill in. Just like their ancestors.

[Ustex]

Kurdistan. 40 million people without a nation state is preposterous.

Aye, but under what borders? Just Turkish Kurdistan? Just Iraqi Kurdistan? Just Iranian? Or all so-called Kurdish lands? Or something inbetween?

How about the borders stipulated by the Treaty of Sèvres?