Should Any Unrecognised Nations Be Recognised?

[Beringovia]

Somaliland should be recognized, as it is the only part of Somalia that remotely resembles a functioning state.

Palestine should be recognized, but not before it recognizes Israel’s right to exist, stops sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israeli territory, and stops talking about driving the Jews into the sea. Oh, and an apology for what happened in Munich would be nice to.

And in a similar vein, all the countries that don’t recognize Israel, should.

I think the Republic of China should be recognized, and the ROC and PROC should give up any claims on the other’s territory. I don’t see that happening, however.

Also, and this doesn’t really fit the thread, but I think Kashmir should be independent state. I don’t think either India or Pakistan deserve it.

[Keronians]

Somaliland should be recognized, as it is the only part of Somalia that remotely resembles a functioning state.

Palestine should be recognized, but not before it recognizes Israel’s right to exist, stops sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israeli territory, and stops talking about driving the Jews into the sea. Oh, and an apology for what happened in Munich would be nice to.

And in a similar vein, all the countries that don’t recognize Israel, should.

I think the Republic of China should be recognized, and the ROC and PROC should give up any claims on the other’s territory. I don’t see that happening, however.

Also, and this doesn’t really fit the thread, but I think Kashmir should be independent state. I don’t think either India or Pakistan deserve it.

We will take over Kashmir.

[Beringovia]

The Kingdom of Hawai'i. The monarchy was illegaly overthrown in 1893, and illegaly annexed in 1900. Hawai'i's independence movement is one of the world's oldest struggles for independence.

I'll concede that the way it was annexed was probably illegitimate. However, if you held a referendum today, I strongly suspect that a majority of Hawaiian's would vote to keep their current political status.

BTW, on what basis was the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy illegal? I'm sure it was contrary to the laws of the Kingdom of Hawaii, but on that basis any political revolution is, by definition, illegal.

[Beringovia]

Somaliland should be recognized, as it is the only part of Somalia that remotely resembles a functioning state.

Palestine should be recognized, but not before it recognizes Israel’s right to exist, stops sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israeli territory, and stops talking about driving the Jews into the sea. Oh, and an apology for what happened in Munich would be nice to.

And in a similar vein, all the countries that don’t recognize Israel, should.

I think the Republic of China should be recognized, and the ROC and PROC should give up any claims on the other’s territory. I don’t see that happening, however.

Also, and this doesn’t really fit the thread, but I think Kashmir should be independent state. I don’t think either India or Pakistan deserve it.

We will take over Kashmir.

Who is "we?"

[Keronians]

We will take over Kashmir.

Who is "we?"

India.

Seriously, though, I don't think independence will do Kashmir any good. It will culminate in a civil war, most likely, with India and Pakistan constantly meddling in its affairs.

[Churchilland]

Taiwan, Kosovo, Tibet

[Beringovia]

China has threatened military action if the RoC becomes an independent Taiwanese state.

Which doesn't justify acting like spoilt 3 year old pissed over losing a civil war.

In any event, hopefully the ROC will become more independent and respected once India's caught up to China.

This may seem counterintuitive, but PRC would actually consider it a provocation if the ROC gave up its claims to the Chinese mainland. Frankly, the ROC is no threat to reconquor the mainland. However, as fact that the ROC claims soverignty over the mainland means that it agrees, in principle, with the unity of the Chinese nation, which is what the PRC really cares about. What the PRC is really worried about is separatist tendencies in Taiwan, Tibet, etc. As long as the ROC supports the concept of a united China, at least in theory, the PRC's position is that the political issue will eventually sort itself out.

[Aethrys]

New Vegas should be recognized as an independent state, and it's current leader should be overthrown because he does nothing for the common man. Unfortunately the NCR and the Legion aren't really willing to accept an independent NV.

[Virabia]

This may not end well... but here goes.

I recognize the Republic of China. You may call them Taiwan, but they have never been ruled by the Communists and continues to exist.

LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA!
萬歲共和國於中國!

I recognise the RoC as the only Chinese state... If I talk about the FRC (Fascist Republic of China (aka the PRC)) I'll use the Peoples Republic moniker.

[Beringovia]

Who is "we?"

India.

Seriously, though, I don't think independence will do Kashmir any good. It will culminate in a civil war, most likely, with India and Pakistan constantly meddling in its affairs.

You are probably right, as I assume you know much more about that situation than I do. I was talking about what I would want to see in a perfect world but, as we all know, the world is far from perfect.

Also, I apologize if my post came accross as being insulting to India. That was not my intention.

[Beringovia]

I trust you have proof that the people in China are clamoring for democracy of any form?

Anyway, what you are saying doesn't matter; The ROC has lost connection with the mainland, and the sun shall rise in the east before it regains control.

y'all seem to have missed the part where the ROC no longer exists.

all taiwan officially wants is to be TAIWAN and not a part of the prc.

all the PRC wants officially is to get its lost province back under its control.

what they actually seem to want is to keep a strained status quo going because both sides get some benefit from it that i dont understand.

In fact, the ROC has never officially changed its name to Taiwan, or expressed a desire to do so. That may or may not be the desire of a majority of Taiwan's people (honestly, I don't know one way or the other) but under the current situation it is politically impossible as it would certainly be perceived by the PRC as a provocation.

The benefit both sides have to "keep a strained status quo going" is that is better than a civil war. And I don't disagree, especially since the United States might get drawn into it.

[Mosasauria]

Definitely Niue.

[Pingxiang]

Western Sahara

Yes. Finally someone mentioned them.

Soon Wales and Scotland, I hope.

Yes. Again, finally someone mentioned them. It has been on the news.

I also want to add West New Guinea (Irian Jaya), Indonesia militarily occupied that country, and rigged a referendum to annex that country.

Yes, No one mentions them much.


Not one mention of the island of Puerto Rico which which is one of the oldest colonies on the planet. They have been one since 1493. Did you people know twice some revolutionaries took over a town in PR. and proclaimed the republic. The first Republic was proclaimed on 1868 against the Spanish and the second Republic was proclaimed again in another town in 1950 against the US. Both times they were crushed.

Also, no mention of Greenland. At least it seems they might get some type of Independence in the future.

Following video for those that care little for the Chinese on the mainland. You should not mess with the Chinese. This is no longer the weak China of one century ago.

First 44 secs. of video shows Chinese vs. Japanese in WW II. After that it shows the Communist chinese against the Nationalist Chinese. By the way the Nationalist were also left leaning. They had the Chinese economy in total collapse. US was giving them millions to prop up there economy but even US generals said it was a waste of money. Chinese warlords were in control of provinces. There was a danger China would break up. Communist Chinese like it or not saved China from total disintergration.

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchc0xKh ... h_response

Taiwan, even though not recognized by many nations, is recognized by most nations that make up Central America, some Pacific islands and Paraguay in South America. Brazil and Argentina have been pressuring Paraguay to recognize mainland China but they have resisted and continue recognizing Taiwan.

You people do know mainland China has signed Friendship and border agreements with Russia, Central Asian nations and others which include the clause that they accept that Taiwan is part of mainland China.

[Voerdeland]

Palestine, Kosovo, Western Sahara, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Republic of China (the Real China, the commie china is just a cheap copy) and Chechenya

Can you explain how a 1.3 billion nation is a cheap copy of a 23-million island whose regime pretends to be the legitimate ruler of entire China?


I'd remove the RoC and Chechenya from your list, and add Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia.

[Miley World]

Québec

[F1-Insanity]

Pretty simple, really.

Out of all the nations not unanimously recognised by the other nations of the world, which deserves recognition most?
I guess I'd probably say Palestine.

and Somaliland (which is actually semi-stable)
Kurdistan (decades of being terrorized by Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran)
Abchazia
Taiwan
Tibet

and of course, California

[Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia]

Well, they do say North Korea is Best Korea...

Best Korea is North Korea.

^^This^^

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Tibet and Palestine.

[Beringovia]

Western Sahara

Not one mention of the island of Puerto Rico which which is one of the oldest colonies on the planet. They have been one since 1493. Did you people know twice some revolutionaries took over a town in PR. and proclaimed the republic. The first Republic was proclaimed on 1868 against the Spanish and the second Republic was proclaimed again in another town in 1950 against the US. Both times they were crushed.

Also, no mention of Greenland. At least it seems they might get some type of Independence in the future.

The thread, as I understand it, is about recognition of de-facto independent states. The current government of Purto Rico does not claim to be independent, and does not seek independence. You may not be aware of this but Puerto Rico has a democratically elected government, and there have been three referendums between 1967 and 1998 in Puerto Rico's political status. In each case fewer than 5% of Puerto Ricans voted for independence. Yes, there are some Puerto Ricans who want independence, but they are definitely not the majority.

Do you have a cite for the establishment of a second RP republic in 1950? I could find no references to it, though 1950 was the year that the US Congress passed enabling legislation for holding the convention which, ultimately, drew up PR's current constitution.

I'm not as familiar with the situation in Greenland, but my impression is that it is esentially similar in that it is not independent but does have a democratically elected government which exercices a great deal of autonomy, but does not claim independence, or seek independence.

[Augarundus]

Quebec

Britain won it fair and square!

Texas-Quebec secession movement, amirite?

[Yuktova]

Yugoslavia...oh wait. That needs to be restored. Tibet comes to my mind.

[West Guiana]

Tibet

[West Vandengaarde]

Well, this didn't die as early on as I had expected.

[Pingxiang]

The thread, as I understand it, is about recognition of de-facto independent states. The current government of Purto Rico does not claim to be independent, and does not seek independence. You may not be aware of this but Puerto Rico has a democratically elected government, and there have been three referendums between 1967 and 1998 in Puerto Rico's political status. In each case fewer than 5% of Puerto Ricans voted for independence. Yes, there are some Puerto Ricans who want independence, but they are definitely not the majority.

Do you have a for the establishment of a second RP republic in 1950? I could find no references to it, though 1950 was the year that the US Congress passed enabling legislation for holding the convention which, ultimately, drew up PR's current constitution.

I'm not as familiar with the situation in Greenland, but my impression is that it is esentially similar in that it is not independent but does have a democratically elected government which exercices a great deal of autonomy, but does not claim independence, or seek independence.

Heard someone say the govt. of PR. is democratic in that they have elections every four years but during those four years they are dictatorial since they do not listen to the people. If the people complain they say that the elections are in four years. So every four years the same thing continues. It is has if they are manipulating democracy.

Read this on when they declared Independence for a second time (Second Republic)
http://nylatinojournal.com/home/puerto_ ... ution.html

Found a talk show that talked about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgMsMiVvZJk

Concerning Greenland, the Greenlanders had a referendum in 2008 which they got a majority Yes vote for more autonomy. So the Danes gave them more autonomy in 2009. There Inuit language would become official language and more revenue sharing for the Greenlanders. If they are able to become independent in the future they would be the first Inuit Independent nation. Inuit and Eskimos are under flags of other nations.

Read this - http://factoidz.com/greenland-a-fight-for-autonomy/
and this
http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2008/11/gree ... olony.html

[Xsyne]

None of them. Instead, we should start unrecognizing recognized nations.