Is homosexuality a choice? (Improved OP)

[Andaricus]

Then those so-called scientific studies must have been falsified because people Choose who to be attracted to Consciously all the time. We're not zombies and attractions can consciously change at the drop of a dime. Are you freaking serious, so in your terms We as conscious being can't make conscious decisions Especially on who We want to be attracted to? Well that's news to Me.

Attraction doesn't mean you act on it, it just means that you find someone hot and if other factors were right, you'd maybe hit on them. Attraction definitely isn't chosen, otherwise we'd never hear of people pining for someone who is unavailable, or someone who society doesn't approve of.

Tell me, if everyone chose who they were attracted to, why would gay teenagers exist in conservative communities? Why would people cheat on their spouses? Why would people have sex with people they wouldn't date for fear of what their friends and families would think?

Uhh a lot of it has to do with things on a psychological basis like I said, there is abuse, curiousity, Etc. But whatever. Look You wanna believe is genetic that's your thing I believe its choice and that is my choice.

[1000 Cats]

That's alright. I ditched my first and last girlfriend when I was fourteen, and look how I turned out!

If you had no other choice, which would you prefer, a chicken or a duck, to fuck!!..

Neither. Poultry's not my thing.

I can pretty much guarantee you will. Not too many people stay with the same girl their whole lives. But yeah, don't be afraid to take your time. Saves you the stress.

So actually w/ gym class there is a girl that also gyms at the same field...and she looks whole the time to and talks and looks back...I also look to her and stuff and she smiles sometimes...and then I smile back...but I don't know how to go further D:

Confidence is everything. A lot of the time people think, "What if she thinks it's weird if I just walk up to her and ask her name/ask her out/whatever?" but, would it be weird if she did it to you? And if not, why would it be weird if you did it to her?

[Andaricus]

Say what now?

I think that everyone who is old enough, even remotely exposed to society, and not asexual (I'm guessing your friend was, Endless Road?) has been through the story of being attracted to someone that they know is trouble, or that is taken, or would be just far too inconvenient to pursue or whatever. Stories abound everywhere about it. Forbidden love, "Why can't I quit you," all that jazz.

Ok I'm going to tell You what I told this other person a lot of it has to do with the Psychological and homosexuality is that as well.

[Pendraig]

If you had no other choice, which would you prefer, a chicken or a duck, to fuck!!..

Neither. Poultry's not my thing.

So actually w/ gym class there is a girl that also gyms at the same field...and she looks whole the time to and talks and looks back...I also look to her and stuff and she smiles sometimes...and then I smile back...but I don't know how to go further D:

Confidence is everything. A lot of the time people think, "What if she thinks it's weird if I just walk up to her and ask her name/ask her out/whatever?" but, would it be weird if she did it to you? And if not, why would it be weird if you did it to her?

Doggy style then!!...quite literally..?....

[1000 Cats]

Attraction doesn't mean you act on it, it just means that you find someone hot and if other factors were right, you'd maybe hit on them. Attraction definitely isn't chosen, otherwise we'd never hear of people pining for someone who is unavailable, or someone who society doesn't approve of.

Tell me, if everyone chose who they were attracted to, why would gay teenagers exist in conservative communities? Why would people cheat on their spouses? Why would people have sex with people they wouldn't date for fear of what their friends and families would think?

Uhh a lot of it has to do with things on a psychological basis like I said, there is abuse, curiousity, Etc. But whatever. Look You wanna believe is genetic that's your thing I believe its choice and that is my choice.

Can one not choose to not be curious? Or choose to be OK with an abusive relationship?

And it really isn't your choice: attraction as an uncontrollable feeling is not some fuzzy subjective thing that you can brush aside and call relative. We're dealing in facts here.

[Endless road]

I can pretty much guarantee you will. Not too many people stay with the same girl their whole lives. But yeah, don't be afraid to take your time. Saves you the stress.

So actually w/ gym class there is a girl that also gyms at the same field...and she looks whole the time to and talks and looks back...I also look to her and stuff and she smiles sometimes...and then I smile back...but I don't know how to go further D:

Confidence is everything. A lot of the time people think, "What if she thinks it's weird if I just walk up to her and ask her name/ask her out/whatever?" but, would it be weird if she did it to you? And if not, why would it be weird if you did it to her?[/quote]

Ha...easier said than done...but I guess I have to ask her name once...dunno how to start a conservation D:

Maybe accidently bump on her?

[Trippoli]

I believe it can be genetics, but at the same time, it can be a mental disorder, not a negative one, at that however. And I don't think it has to be cured. Just my 2 cents.

But also, there is young people who "choose" to be gay and they openly admit that because they get "tired of being hurt by the opposite sex" etcetc.

[1000 Cats]

Neither. Poultry's not my thing.



Confidence is everything. A lot of the time people think, "What if she thinks it's weird if I just walk up to her and ask her name/ask her out/whatever?" but, would it be weird if she did it to you? And if not, why would it be weird if you did it to her?

Doggy style then!!...quite literally..?....

I know you're joking, but it's bordering on offensive, to be quite honest. If you want to talk about this stuff with me, feel free to have a look at the thread in my signature, or else telegram me. Let's not spam up this thread too much. Thanks.

[1000 Cats]

So actually w/ gym class there is a girl that also gyms at the same field...and she looks whole the time to and talks and looks back...I also look to her and stuff and she smiles sometimes...and then I smile back...but I don't know how to go further D:

Confidence is everything. A lot of the time people think, "What if she thinks it's weird if I just walk up to her and ask her name/ask her out/whatever?" but, would it be weird if she did it to you? And if not, why would it be weird if you did it to her?

Ha...easier said than done...but I guess I have to ask her name once...dunno how to start a conservation D:

Maybe accidently bump on her?[/quote]
Nah. Just have confidence. Think: If she just walked right up to you and said, "Hey, what's your name?" would you be like, "Wow, what is this creepy broad..." no, you'd probably be happy. Heck, you probably wouldn't mind even if you weren't attracted to her. So why not just be completely confident and casual and do that? Besides, confidence is attractive.

[Andaricus]

Uhh a lot of it has to do with things on a psychological basis like I said, there is abuse, curiousity, Etc. But whatever. Look You wanna believe is genetic that's your thing I believe its choice and that is my choice.

Can one not choose to not be curious? Or choose to be OK with an abusive relationship?

And it really isn't your choice: attraction as an uncontrollable feeling is not some fuzzy subjective thing that you can brush aside and call relative. We're dealing in facts here.

Dealing with facts, huh. You mean those unproven theories. Look believe what You want about sexual attraction, that is of course Your choice, oh but that's right We Conscious Humans can't make choices. See Ya Later.

[Arkinesia]

Besides, confidence is attractive.

You're damn right it is. I have learned this the hard-turned-not-so-hard way.

[Dakini]

Attraction doesn't mean you act on it, it just means that you find someone hot and if other factors were right, you'd maybe hit on them. Attraction definitely isn't chosen, otherwise we'd never hear of people pining for someone who is unavailable, or someone who society doesn't approve of.

Tell me, if everyone chose who they were attracted to, why would gay teenagers exist in conservative communities? Why would people cheat on their spouses? Why would people have sex with people they wouldn't date for fear of what their friends and families would think?

Uhh a lot of it has to do with things on a psychological basis like I said, there is abuse, curiousity, Etc. But whatever. Look You wanna believe is genetic that's your thing I believe its choice and that is my choice.

I didn't say it was genetic. I said that for men, it's partly genetic and partly related to hormones a developing male fetus is exposed to. If it was a choice, why would men with older brothers have a statistically significant greater chance of being gay (especially since the more older brothers a man has, the greater his odds of being gay)?

If you're going to claim that homosexuality is a choice, I'm going to assume that you're not talking about attraction, but about acting on it (which seems to be the case based on your choice of words there) and that you've actually experienced attraction to both men and women, even if you choose to act only with one or the other. This would make you bisexual, whether you want to admit it or not since sexual orientation is primarily defined through attraction.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Wrong thread, lol.

[Pendraig]

Doggy style then!!...quite literally..?....

I know you're joking, but it's bordering on offensive, to be quite honest. If you want to talk about this stuff with me, feel free to have a look at the thread in my signature, or else telegram me. Let's not spam up this thread too much. Thanks.

Oh dear me, sorry, I don't want to offend your fine sensibilities!!

[Andaricus]

Uhh a lot of it has to do with things on a psychological basis like I said, there is abuse, curiousity, Etc. But whatever. Look You wanna believe is genetic that's your thing I believe its choice and that is my choice.

I didn't say it was genetic. I said that for men, it's partly genetic and partly related to hormones a developing male fetus is exposed to. If it was a choice, why would men with older brothers have a statistically significant greater chance of being gay (especially since the more older brothers a man has, the greater his odds of being gay)?

If you're going to claim that homosexuality is a choice, I'm going to assume that you're not talking about attraction, but about acting on it (which seems to be the case based on your choice of words there) and that you've actually experienced attraction to both men and women, even if you choose to act only with one or the other. This would make you bisexual, whether you want to admit it or not since sexual orientation is primarily defined through attraction.

Wow I see somebody else watched that stupid youtube cartoon and believed it.



Attraction is based on both Conscious or Subconscious principles along with Psychological Derivatives. The video is true about both male and female fetuses but the hormonal reactions don't weaken or feminize us at all, the fetuses body reacts to fight and strengthens the fetus making the analogy of fetus feminization untrue. You wanna believe it's genetic go right ahead but this is fact, Conscious or Subconscious we're not zombies and we have control and that's all I'm gonna say on it. See Ya Later.

[1000 Cats]

I didn't say it was genetic. I said that for men, it's partly genetic and partly related to hormones a developing male fetus is exposed to. If it was a choice, why would men with older brothers have a statistically significant greater chance of being gay (especially since the more older brothers a man has, the greater his odds of being gay)?

If you're going to claim that homosexuality is a choice, I'm going to assume that you're not talking about attraction, but about acting on it (which seems to be the case based on your choice of words there) and that you've actually experienced attraction to both men and women, even if you choose to act only with one or the other. This would make you bisexual, whether you want to admit it or not since sexual orientation is primarily defined through attraction.

Wow I see somebody else watched that stupid youtube cartoon and believed it.



Attraction is based on both Conscious or Subconscious principles along with Psychological Derivatives. The video is true about both male and female fetuses but the hormonal reactions don't weaken or feminize us at all, the fetuses body reacts to fight and strengthens the fetus making the analogy of fetus feminization untrue. You wanna believe it's genetic go right ahead but this is fact, Conscious or Subconscious we're not zombies and we have control and that's all I'm gonna say on it. See Ya Later.

It's very possible that what is "conscious" or "by choice" doesn't actually exist.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Then those so-called scientific studies must have been falsified because people Choose who to be attracted to Consciously all the time. We're not zombies and attractions can consciously change at the drop of a dime. Are you freaking serious, so in your terms We as conscious being can't make conscious decisions Especially on who We want to be attracted to? Well that's news to Me.

Wow, you're an introspective person aren't you?

So, on what basis do you choose your attractions? One can act based on desires, but can one actually choose their desires? If so, then what provides the impetus to change said desires? Do you have to desire to have different desires?

[Geniasis]

Can you then, conversely, choose to be homosexual?

It's possible but I'm not going to.

That's pretty convenient.

[Dakini]

I didn't say it was genetic. I said that for men, it's partly genetic and partly related to hormones a developing male fetus is exposed to. If it was a choice, why would men with older brothers have a statistically significant greater chance of being gay (especially since the more older brothers a man has, the greater his odds of being gay)?

If you're going to claim that homosexuality is a choice, I'm going to assume that you're not talking about attraction, but about acting on it (which seems to be the case based on your choice of words there) and that you've actually experienced attraction to both men and women, even if you choose to act only with one or the other. This would make you bisexual, whether you want to admit it or not since sexual orientation is primarily defined through attraction.

Wow I see somebody else watched that stupid youtube cartoon and believed it.

which youtube cartoon?

Attraction is based on both Conscious or Subconscious principles along with Psychological Derivatives. The video is true about both male and female fetuses but the hormonal reactions don't weaken or feminize us at all, the fetuses body reacts to fight and strengthens the fetus making the analogy of fetus feminization untrue.

Uh... then why are there studies that indicate otherwise?

You wanna believe it's genetic go right ahead but this is fact, Conscious or Subconscious we're not zombies and we have control and that's all I'm gonna say on it. See Ya Later.

hormonal != genetic

We have control over our actions, not over our attractions. It also appears I may have struck a nerve here.

[Moscow Federat]

Sexuality is a strange but the strongest people's need,it's only in your mind just like everything else,close your eyes and think/IMAGINE naked girl/boy(whatever you like)having sex with you,what will happen,you will get "turned on".
It's not physical need(like water of food or sleep) but MENTAL need,mind controls your want's and don't want's and emotions by you ordering it "UNCONSCIOUSLY what it wants.
For example(this are only few things)this is how YOUR MIND SEES IT,unconscious higher pride of yourself over the others(weaker than you),jealousy because of the people that look better/fitter than you,attraction,higher need for control,narcissism(obsession with yourself),sexual obsession(no matter if it's heterosexual) can lead to that you UNCONSCIOUSLY order your mind what you want(sex for example),and the mind will make you want itCONSCIOUSLY,but mind doesn't care if it's with same gender or not,but just that it's sex.
The thing with genetics is crap,because it's made only as excuse believe me...
***So yes,it's a choice,but the UNCONSCIOUS one.***
Control your mind,don't let it control you,because your UNCONSCIOUSNESS is not the part of the mind with which you can think or control it,it thinks and works on it's own but still controls you,you CAN control it,but very hard.(for example BREATHING is unconscious order or need,when you sleep you can't consciously breath,but your unconsciousness will make you breath.)
ps.it's hard to understand...

[Kalalification]

The idea that it's purely genetic just doesn't make sense. We would have a very clear cut and obvious division between straight and gay if that were the case. It makes much more sense that the psychological development of a person plays a larger role.

But either way, I reiterate, sex isn't necessary and there is nothing so damnably awful or impossible about celibacy. No one forces anyone to have sex. Now you certainly can, if you want, but you people make it seem like homosexuals are mindless beasts who can't control base impulses at all...

[1000 Cats]

Sexuality is a strange but the strongest people's need,it's only in your mind just like everything else,close your eyes and think/IMAGINE naked girl/boy(whatever you like)having sex with you,what will happen,you will get "turned on".
It's not physical need(like water of food or sleep) but MENTAL need,mind controls your want's and don't want's and emotions by you ordering it "UNCONSCIOUSLY what it wants.
For example(this are only few things)this is how YOUR MIND SEES IT,unconscious higher pride of yourself over the others(weaker than you),jealousy because of the people that look better/fitter than you,attraction,higher need for control,narcissism(obsession with yourself),sexual obsession(no matter if it's heterosexual) can lead to that you UNCONSCIOUSLY order your mind what you want(sex for example),and the mind will make you want itCONSCIOUSLY,but mind doesn't care if it's with same gender or not,but just that it's sex.
The thing with genetics is crap,because it's made only as excuse believe me...
***So yes,it's a choice,but the UNCONSCIOUS one.***
Control your mind,don't let it control you,because your UNCONSCIOUSNESS is not the part of the mind with which you can think or control it,it thinks and works on it's own but still controls you,you CAN control it,but very hard.(for example BREATHING is unconscious order or need,when you sleep you can't consciously breath,but your unconsciousness will make you breath.)
ps.it's hard to understand...

An unconscious choice is an oxymoron.

[Moscow Federat]

Sexuality is a strange but the strongest people's need,it's only in your mind just like everything else,close your eyes and think/IMAGINE naked girl/boy(whatever you like)having sex with you,what will happen,you will get "turned on".
It's not physical need(like water of food or sleep) but MENTAL need,mind controls your want's and don't want's and emotions by you ordering it "UNCONSCIOUSLY what it wants.
For example(this are only few things)this is how YOUR MIND SEES IT,unconscious higher pride of yourself over the others(weaker than you),jealousy because of the people that look better/fitter than you,attraction,higher need for control,narcissism(obsession with yourself),sexual obsession(no matter if it's heterosexual) can lead to that you UNCONSCIOUSLY order your mind what you want(sex for example),and the mind will make you want itCONSCIOUSLY,but mind doesn't care if it's with same gender or not,but just that it's sex.
The thing with genetics is crap,because it's made only as excuse believe me...
***So yes,it's a choice,but the UNCONSCIOUS one.***
Control your mind,don't let it control you,because your UNCONSCIOUSNESS is not the part of the mind with which you can think or control it,it thinks and works on it's own but still controls you,you CAN control it,but very hard.(for example BREATHING is unconscious order or need,when you sleep you can't consciously breath,but your unconsciousness will make you breath.)
ps.it's hard to understand...

An unconscious choice is an oxymoron.

It can be controlled,but you just don't believe it,and TRUST me I read TOOOOONS of books about Human mind.
Try this,before trying to sleep,close your eyes,and concentrate,and CONCENTRATE 100% on this thought I will write!!!
In order for this to work you need to be concentrated 100%,and repeat this though,repeat it over and over again(few times and don't think about anything else,just FOCUS on your though 100%),imagine you are talking with your "unconsciousness",just like with a person,then ORDER IT like you are angry,"I order you to...".and repeat it few times,but FOCUS on that thought,for example "I order you,my "unconsciousness" to wake me up at 6am well rested,I order you,and I control you,I am your master and you will listen to ME,YOU ARE MINE AND YOU WILL LISTEN TO ME AND ME ONLY,I ORDER YOU...",repeat this few times and BE FOCUSED 100%!
If you are,you will wake up in 6am and not feel sleepy,if you master your unconsciousness,it will make your commands or wishes come TRUE!(BUT YOU NEED TO BE "THE AUTHORITY" AND FOCUSED 100%)
Talk to you unconscious part of mind,and it will listen.

ps.it sounds stupid,but it's not.

[Rhodmhire]

A better question: does it even matter if it is or isn't?

[Socialist Sealandia]

Why is experience not an option?

A better question: does it even matter if it is or isn't?

Quoted for truth