Is homosexuality a choice? (Improved OP)

[Genivaria]

No. /thread.

[Lessnt]

Then exactly how much is ok?
And exactly how little is not ok?
How would these things be measured?

Society has drawn an arbitrary line. If said line did not exist, then we would begin to get a grain of sand fallacy.

Assuming that a 13 year old Girl had enough reasoning ability.
What makes it so wrong for an adult man to have sex with said girl?

Honestly, nothing, but again society needs to have some line, and we have one.

And why would homosexuality be excluded from being wrong?

Because it is victimless. If both parties provide informed consent, then no one gets hurt (unless they're into that kinda thing).

It is my belief that having sex is a choice regardless of how much you WANT to do it.

Having sex is, who you're attracted to. Is not so.

After all it is natural human male nature to want to have sex with younger females.It is in our genetics.
Yet it is viewed as wrong.

Again society. However, just earlier you said genetics don't shape us. How hypocritical.

It does not.
Showing how most men do not have sex with underaged women.
Even though it is in our genetics it is a choice.
See how it makes sense?

[United States of Cascadia]

Society has drawn an arbitrary line. If said line did not exist, then we would begin to get a grain of sand fallacy.


Honestly, nothing, but again society needs to have some line, and we have one.


Because it is victimless. If both parties provide informed consent, then no one gets hurt (unless they're into that kinda thing).


Having sex is, who you're attracted to. Is not so.


Again society. However, just earlier you said genetics don't shape us. How hypocritical.

It does not.
Showing how most men do not have sex with underaged women.
Even though it is in our genetics it is a choice.
See how it makes sense?

No. Being attracted to someone IS NOT a choice. Acting on the attraction is. That proves nothing on anything.

[Lawrencewatsonia]

It's genetics. You're born the way you are. You can deny what you are, but you are what you are. Gay, straight, transgender, whatever it is. That's what you are!

[Lessnt]

It does not.
Showing how most men do not have sex with underaged women.
Even though it is in our genetics it is a choice.
See how it makes sense?

No. Being attracted to someone IS NOT a choice. Acting on the attraction is. That proves nothing on anything.

Having sex is the action.
The only way you can really prove if you are any kind of sexuality has for the most part been the action.
Otherwise it is all words.
No substance.
It proves that it is a choice regardless of what you are attracted to.

[United States of Cascadia]

No. Being attracted to someone IS NOT a choice. Acting on the attraction is. That proves nothing on anything.

Having sex is the action.
The only way you can really prove if you are any kind of sexuality has for the most part been the action.
Otherwise it is all words.
No substance.
It proves that it is a choice regardless of what you are attracted to.

Definition of homosexuality from Wikipedia. Literally the first sentence on the page "Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Source

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Choice.

If parents didn't want to have gay children, they should've sat down and drawn out Punnett Squares to see what children they would be manufacturing. Instead, they chose to throw caution into the wind and not care about creating a genetically-engineered super generation by way of careful selection.

[Lessnt]

Having sex is the action.
The only way you can really prove if you are any kind of sexuality has for the most part been the action.
Otherwise it is all words.
No substance.
It proves that it is a choice regardless of what you are attracted to.

Definition of homosexuality from Wikipedia. Literally the first sentence on the page "Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Source

And men can be taught to not like younger women.
So you got me on what define homosexuality.
But it does not change that it is still a choice.
You can choose to stop feeling that way.

[United States of Cascadia]

Definition of homosexuality from Wikipedia. Literally the first sentence on the page "Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Source

And men can be taught to not like younger women.
So you got me on what define homosexuality.
But it does not change that it is still a choice.
You can choose to stop feeling that way.

Is there a study to back up that first sentence?
As to the final one, no, you can't change who you are attracted to. You can change whether you act on those feelings.

[Four-sided Triangles]

You can choose to stop feeling that way.

I'm not gay, but how exactly would you "chose" to stop feeling that way? Voluntary chemical castration?

[Lessnt]

You can choose to stop feeling that way.

I'm not gay, but how exactly would you "chose" to stop feeling that way? Voluntary chemical castration?

Nope the same way you choose to get help with a mental disorder.

[Lessnt]

And men can be taught to not like younger women.
So you got me on what define homosexuality.
But it does not change that it is still a choice.
You can choose to stop feeling that way.

Is there a study to back up that first sentence?
As to the final one, no, you can't change who you are attracted to. You can change whether you act on those feelings.

You can indeed change it.
The same way therapy can help make a clinically depressed person no longer depressed.
You can choose to feel differently it just takes more work and expertise.

[United States of Cascadia]

I'm not gay, but how exactly would you "chose" to stop feeling that way? Voluntary chemical castration?

Nope the same way you choose to get help with a mental disorder.

So being gay is a mental disorder now? I can show how that isn't true as well if you'd like.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Definition of homosexuality from Wikipedia. Literally the first sentence on the page "Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender." Source

And men can be taught to not like younger women.
So you got me on what define homosexuality.
But it does not change that it is still a choice.
You can choose to stop feeling that way.

Why am I not surprised despite the fact that this has nothing to do with your earlier ridiculousness?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Is there a study to back up that first sentence?
As to the final one, no, you can't change who you are attracted to. You can change whether you act on those feelings.

You can indeed change it.
The same way therapy can help make a clinically depressed person no longer depressed.
You can choose to feel differently it just takes more work and expertise.

Still waiting on that study.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Nope the same way you choose to get help with a mental disorder.

Sorry, but hundreds of millions of years of biologically hardwired sexual evolution mounted at the very core of your brain is not going to go away because you told a guy about your mommy issues while he wrote stuff down.

[Lessnt]

Nope the same way you choose to get help with a mental disorder.

So being gay is a mental disorder now? I can show how that isn't true as well if you'd like.

Do you know what qualifies as a mental disorder?
A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern generally associated with subjective distress or disability that occurs in an individual, and which is not a part of normal development or culture. Such a disorder may consist of a combination of affective, behavioural, cognitive and perceptual components.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder

Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender. As a sexual orientation, homosexuality refers to "an enduring pattern of or disposition to experience sexual, affectional, or romantic attractions" primarily or exclusively to people of the same sex; "it also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them."[1][2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality


can you spot it?


It is my personal belief that homosexuality is a combination.

[United States of Cascadia]

Is there a study to back up that first sentence?
As to the final one, no, you can't change who you are attracted to. You can change whether you act on those feelings.

You can indeed change it.

Please provide a source.

The same way therapy can help make a clinically depressed person no longer depressed.

Really? Because I have been depressed, and a. it usually takes more than therapy to help, you often need meds, and b. Homosexual feelings are not mental, if that were the case then they could be brought on in a person by changing the chemical balance of the brain. Since the chemicals in a homo/bi/transsexual person are near identical to a heterosexual person (the variance can be given to differing balance from person to person), this can't be done.

[Lessnt]

You can indeed change it.

Please provide a source.

The same way therapy can help make a clinically depressed person no longer depressed.

Really? Because I have been depressed, and a. it usually takes more than therapy to help, you often need meds, and b. Homosexual feelings are not mental, if that were the case then they could be brought on in a person by changing the chemical balance of the brain. Since the chemicals in a homo/bi/transsexual person are near identical to a heterosexual person (the variance can be given to differing balance from person to person), this can't be done.

meaning not always.
provide a source for the chemical balance of the brain.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Please provide a source.

Really? Because I have been depressed, and a. it usually takes more than therapy to help, you often need meds, and b. Homosexual feelings are not mental, if that were the case then they could be brought on in a person by changing the chemical balance of the brain. Since the chemicals in a homo/bi/transsexual person are near identical to a heterosexual person (the variance can be given to differing balance from person to person), this can't be done.

meaning not always.
provide a source for the chemical balance of the brain.

provide a source that men can be taught to stop being attracted to young girls.

[Four-sided Triangles]

provide a source that men can be taught to stop being attracted to young girls.

Why ask for something you know he can't provide?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

provide a source that men can be taught to stop being attracted to young girls.

Why ask for something you know he can't provide?

To prove the point that people who don't provide sources for their claims shouldn't be asking others too.

[KludgeMUSH]

I find it very unlikely that it's genetic in origin, since otherwise everyone with the "gay gene" would have a high likelyhood of not reproducing, and therefore, not spreading it. I do, however, believe that it is something that is hardwired at development, sort of like how some people are born without genitals. To say that it is a CHOICE would imply that someone somehow wakes up and decides that he will suddenly be gay...and I don't think it works that way. Is it a "mental illness"? Based on the fact that it does not cause impairment or suffering, no. If we declared everyone who deviated from the norm to be "mentally ill", we would run out of sane people really fast. Some say this has already happened.

[Genivaria]

Choice.

If parents didn't want to have gay children, they should've sat down and drawn out Punnett Squares to see what children they would be manufacturing. Instead, they chose to throw caution into the wind and not care about creating a genetically-engineered super generation by way of careful selection.

[United States of Cascadia]

Here are two articles from pubmed on homosexuality and prenatal development. The initial brain chemistry during this time causes the development (as far as we can currently tell) of sexual orientation. After this point however, brain chemistry remains the same as members of there sex. Source 1 Source 2. Full text for both studies is linked at the pubmed page.