Capitalisim vs. Socialisim

[Trotskylvania]

How tragic.
That doesn't change the fact that other people are not responsible for these people. Other may people may help them if they want, but forcing them to help these people is unethical and wrong.

Oh how lol[bertarian].

Taxation = theft amirite.

Poor = poor for a reason amirite.

State = evil amirite.

Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimate the state.

[GeneralHaNor]

Stop, I usually support you, but there is no excuse for that
Nike deserves to burn to the ground for their crimes, and the solution to unemployment is for the workers to storm the factory, kill the managers, and run the equipment themselves.

There is no excuse for Child Slavery.

No offence, but Sibirsky is right. If they wouldn't be working, they'd be starving in the streets. Nike is offering these children job and money, which they would be unable to get otherwise.
You, on the other hand are a terrible person; you support murdering innocent managers and stealing other people's property. That is unacceptable! D:<

Bullshit, pure bullshit, I can't believe you people actually support sweatshop labor

Anything that happens to these exploiters is fair game, poverty or not.
You don't need Nike to create better working conditions, that's a lie.

I am now reminded at why I find Capitalists disgusting.

[Proloteriat]

Why do we even have these debates sadly no one is willing to take a good point. I think if theres a good point it should be used either left or right but no one will stand down its quite depressing.

[-St George]

Please, go on, go out to your local farm or factory and work a 15 hour shift.

I'm not saying that it's not difficult. Sure, it may be hard work, but the people who own that factory have studied very hard, they have gone through hundreds of exams and tests, they have gotten job experience from shitty workplaces such as McDonald's and after years of hard work, they're entitled to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Except you did say it wasn't difficult. You said it was easy.

[Hippostania]

No offence, but Sibirsky is right. If they wouldn't be working, they'd be starving in the streets. Nike is offering these children job and money, which they would be unable to get otherwise.
You, on the other hand are a terrible person; you support murdering innocent managers and stealing other people's property. That is unacceptable! D:<

Bullshit, pure bullshit, I can't believe you people actually support sweatshop labor

Anything that happens to these exploiters is fair game, poverty or not.
You don't need Nike to create better working conditions, that's a lie.

I am now reminded at why I find Capitalists disgusting.

True, it doesn't have to be Nike who creates jobs for these poor people. It can be Coca Cola or pretty much any other big corporation. These corporations are offering people a way out of the extreme poverty to semi-poverty, and they should be extremely happy and glad for it.

[Hippostania]

I'm not saying that it's not difficult. Sure, it may be hard work, but the people who own that factory have studied very hard, they have gone through hundreds of exams and tests, they have gotten job experience from shitty workplaces such as McDonald's and after years of hard work, they're entitled to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Except you did say it wasn't difficult. You said it was easy.

I said it was easy to get into a job where you do manual labor. And even though the job might be physically hard, mentally incredibly easy. You don't have to think at all.

[Proloteriat]

Comrade I find humanity disgusting dictaitors do the same as capitalists if they can get away with it capitalists are just more aproved because they won the cold war the same happens with communist that is why i'm Democratic Socialist. Companies are realy just mini dictaitorships.

[Red Indus]

I'm not saying that it's not difficult. Sure, it may be hard work, but the people who own that factory have studied very hard, they have gone through hundreds of exams and tests, they have gotten job experience from shitty workplaces such as McDonald's and after years of hard work, they're entitled to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Except that doesn't have to be the case, lol. If you want an argument against capitalism you just made it.

[The Catopians]

I'm going to quote Liberty Prime from Fallout 3.

Communism is the very definition of failure.

As is Socialism.

[-St George]

Except you did say it wasn't difficult. You said it was easy.

I said it was easy to get into a job where you do manual labor. And even though the job might be physically hard, mentally incredibly easy. You don't have to think at all.

So says someone who's never done a manual labour job.

[GeneralHaNor]

Bullshit, pure bullshit, I can't believe you people actually support sweatshop labor

Anything that happens to these exploiters is fair game, poverty or not.
You don't need Nike to create better working conditions, that's a lie.

I am now reminded at why I find Capitalists disgusting.

True, it doesn't have to be Nike who creates jobs for these poor people. It can be Coca Cola or pretty much any other big corporation. These corporations are offering people a way out of the extreme poverty to semi-poverty, and they should be extremely happy and glad for it.

Grateful to be chained to to their workstations while armed guards with rifles watch them from catwalks?
Grateful to earn a starvation wage?

Screw that, I wouldn't tolerate it, you wouldn't tolerate it. And if they strung their oppressors up by their testicles I would cheer the loudest.

[Proloteriat]

Except you did say it wasn't difficult. You said it was easy.

I said it was easy to get into a job where you do manual labor. And even though the job might be physically hard, mentally incredibly easy. You don't have to think at all.

Try working in a place like theirs for one day.

[Ostroeuropa]

Choose whether the group we vote for using ballot papers bosses us around, or the group we vote for using money does...
neither thanks

[Hippostania]

True, it doesn't have to be Nike who creates jobs for these poor people. It can be Coca Cola or pretty much any other big corporation. These corporations are offering people a way out of the extreme poverty to semi-poverty, and they should be extremely happy and glad for it.

Grateful to be chained to to their workstations while armed guards with rifles watch them from catwalks?
Grateful to earn a starvation wage?

Screw that, I wouldn't tolerate it, you wouldn't tolerate it. And if they strung their oppressors up by their testicles I would cheer the loudest.

Yes, they should be grateful that they have a job and guaranteed, steady source of income. If they'd strung their employeers from their testicles, the very people who have generously given them a job, they should be severely beaten for being very ungrateful. Nobody is forcing them to work there.

[GeneralHaNor]

Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimate the state.

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[Proloteriat]

I said it was easy to get into a job where you do manual labor. And even though the job might be physically hard, mentally incredibly easy. You don't have to think at all.

Try working in a place like theirs for one day.

You'd be a commie in no time my litle Burgoios.

[Hippostania]

Try working in a place like theirs for one day.

You'd be a commie in no time my litle Burgoios.

Why? I have worked and studied hard so I do not have to work in a place like that.

[Proloteriat]

I'm going to quote Liberty Prime from Fallout 3.

Communism is the very definition of failure.

As is Socialism.

Are you one of those game nerds that think that what games say is truth.

[Cologno]

Why? I have worked and studied hard so I do not have to work in a place like that.

seriously? you are an intellectual lightweight,the only book you have ever read is some Ayn Rand's crap

If i were you I would ask a reimburse to my local school

[Proloteriat]

You'd be a commie in no time my litle Burgoios.

Why? I have worked and studied hard so I do not have to work in a place like that.

Do you have a problem with workers. You must respect your enemy.

[McKeehan]

You don't seem to understand that people are not born dumb or intelligent. You can study independently even if you're from a poor family and go to a bad school. But if you succumb to peer pressure and don't give a damn about studying, then being poor is your fault.

'Succumb to peer pressure'. 'Don't give a damn about studying'.

Lol.

You obviously have no experience of how poor people live. And how do you study independently if you can't afford books? If you have to work a job to help make sure your family remains in their home?

She also pays taxes.

>implying she doesn't have an accountant to take advantage of every loophole.

I have experience with both how poor people live and bad schools, myself going to a bad school and my family being very impoverished.

And how do you study independently if you can't afford books?

You can get books from libraries, free material on the internet, and books from school. My school is in the bottom 10% of the nation, with only 32% of students considered proficient in English and science. 97% of my school is below the poverty line. It offers four AP classes and no honors classes. I have still managed to take advantage of what I do have access to, while working 28 hours a week, excluding the weekend. I have a very high GPA as well as test scores, coming from all that.

If students work hard instead of complain about what their challenges, they can overcome them.

[Trotskylvania]

Bullshit, pure bullshit, I can't believe you people actually support sweatshop labor

Anything that happens to these exploiters is fair game, poverty or not.
You don't need Nike to create better working conditions, that's a lie.

I am now reminded at why I find Capitalists disgusting.

True, it doesn't have to be Nike who creates jobs for these poor people. It can be Coca Cola or pretty much any other big corporation. These corporations are offering people a way out of the extreme poverty to semi-poverty, and they should be extremely happy and glad for it.

Your Rarity flag is the only thing standing in the way from me getting medieval on you.

[The Catopians]

I'm going to quote Liberty Prime from Fallout 3.

Communism is the very definition of failure.

As is Socialism.

Are you one of those game nerds that think that what games say is truth.

Are you one of those people with bad spelling, mister "proloteriat"?

[Hippostania]

Why? I have worked and studied hard so I do not have to work in a place like that.

Do you have a problem with workers. You must respect your enemy.

What? The workers aren't my enemies. Without them, I wouldn't have my fancy Converse shoes, my computer or pretty much anything around me.
That doesn't mean that they deserve something better that they have right now.

[Pernam]

For Socialism ofcourse