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by Proloteriat » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:17 am
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:17 am
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:18 am
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:18 am
Proloteriat wrote:And consider manual work is hard to.
Consider also that if people fight for their freedom they are working hard at revolution and a new way.
by Cologno » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:19 am
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:19 am
Sibirsky wrote:Supporting centrally planned socialism, is downright evil.
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:19 am
Cologno wrote:Hippostania wrote:Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?
Why Paris Hilton,lazy bitch, should own more than a PHD in physics?
the idea that capitalism is a Meritocracy has not empirical evidence,it is just a "system justification" lie
by -St George » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:19 am
by Trotskylvania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:19 am
Nazis in Space wrote:*fap**fap**fap**fap**fap**fap**fap**fap**fap*-St George wrote:Lol. There's never been a socialist country. There's been countries that called themselves socialist. Big difference.
Defining Feature of Socialism: Means of Production are state-owned.
You seriously saying no country has ever maintained state-ownership of the means of production?
OH! Wait, I get it now.
You're saying that no country has ever maintained state-ownership of the means of production while also maintaining the wet dreams of adolescent, starry-eyed idealists, since they all, quite inevitably so, realise the beautiful options provided for budding totalitarianism once the state owns everything, and can happily set wages as it pleases, release and withhold information as it pleases, limit access to transport infrastructure as it pleases, and limit production of necessities as well as luxury goods as it pleases, not to mention keeping innovation exactly as limited as it pleases.
In this case you're of course right. There's never been a socialist country, just as there's never been a country filled with rainbow-shitting, magical unicorns where everyone lives in peace and without worries - both of which have exactly the same probability of existing, and are equally worthwhile subjects to discuss.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:20 am
Proloteriat wrote:What about the lazy bastards that that got all the money they own from their fathers managers are becoming the new aristocorasy.
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:21 am
Mandicoria wrote:Socialism FTW
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:21 am
by -St George » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:22 am
by Proloteriat » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:22 am
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:23 am
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:23 am
by Sibirsky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:23 am
by Proloteriat » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:24 am
Hippostania wrote:Proloteriat wrote:And consider manual work is hard to.
Consider also that if people fight for their freedom they are working hard at revolution and a new way.
Everyone can do manual work, it's easy.
Becoming a politician or a lawyer on the other hand requires lots of studying and hard work.
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:25 am
Proloteriat wrote:Intelectual work shouldnt be valued over manual work they are equaly important how would a company work without its slaves................... Exatly it can't that is why people should be valued for their work to the company and given a decent wage. Take Nike's child labour it takes les than £1 to make a pair of trainers and they sometimes sell them for over £20 Nike could still make a good profit if it gave the people a fair wage.
by -St George » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:25 am
Hippostania wrote:-St George wrote:Really? Bad schools are very rare? Being born into poverty is very rare?
You don't seem to understand that people are not born dumb or intelligent. You can study independently even if you're from a poor family and go to a bad school. But if you succumb to peer pressure and don't give a damn about studying, then being poor is your fault.
>implying she doesn't have an accountant to take advantage of every loophole.
by -St George » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:29 am
Hippostania wrote:Proloteriat wrote:And consider manual work is hard to.
Consider also that if people fight for their freedom they are working hard at revolution and a new way.
Everyone can do manual work, it's easy.
Becoming a politician or a lawyer on the other hand requires lots of studying and hard work.
by Trotskylvania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:29 am
Sibirsky wrote:Keronians wrote:
I assume you mean trade unions, and if so, then how is being allowed to be in a trade union guaranteed?
I mean labor unions. As long as they are voluntary, I have no issues with them. There is nothing anti-free market in labor unions, other than the fact that they tend to level wages.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Proloteriat » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:30 am
by Hippostania » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:31 am
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