Capitalisim vs. Socialisim

[Hippostania]

The USSR had an unemployment rate of 0%. Awesome, right?

Wrong. The standard of living was a tiny fraction of what it was in the west.

In the west a tiny fraction had and still has the vast majority of the wealth, it should be shared with everyone! The resources shouldn't be owned by a single person or small group, but the people all together.

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

[Cologno]

No, it is true. Environmental, personal, mental, physical, sociological and anthropological circumstances are useless in my opinion, it is you who can change and affect your life, you and you only. Blaming others for your failures is ridiculous.

wow just-world fallacy

[Soviet Russia Republic]

In the west a tiny fraction had and still has the vast majority of the wealth, it should be shared with everyone! The resources shouldn't be owned by a single person or small group, but the people all together.

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

Because hes human just like the other person and should have the right to live. Property and money shouldn't be an object that is own by single persons but shared among the collective.

[Cologno]

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

Why Paris Hilton,lazy bitch, should own more than a PHD in physics?

the idea that capitalism is a Meritocracy has not empirical evidence,it is just a "system justification" lie

[Hippostania]

You, on the other hand are a terrible person; you support murdering innocent managers and stealing other people's property. That is unacceptable! D:<

I'm not going to say they aren't offering a possibility of a better life, but most of the profit goes to the manager, probably many times over the work they have done.

The manager has studied hard; possibly in an university. He has gone thru hundreds of exams and tests, he has tried hard to get a job. And when he finally gets his job, fruit of all those years of hard work and labor some nutjob kills him because some workers who weren't so hard-working got an idea: ''PROLOTORIAT CONTROLZ DIS FACTORY NAO!!11'' or something like that.

[Proloteriat]

What about the lazy bastards that that got all the money they own from their fathers managers are becoming the new aristocorasy.

[Hippostania]

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

Because hes human just like the other person and should have the right to live. Property and money shouldn't be an object that is own by single persons but shared among the collective.

No, person B is better than person A because he has worked and studied hard and benefitted the society. Person A has just been a useless load for whom I feel no compassion at all.

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

Why Paris Hilton,lazy bitch, should own more than a PHD in physics?

Because his father has worked hard to give his family a wealthy and happy life.

[Mandicoria]

i want my money back

[Hippostania]

What about the lazy bastards that that got all the money they own from their fathers managers are becoming the new aristocorasy.

They deserve it. Those people worked hard, and they're now sharing the fruits of their labor with their family. I see nothing wrong with that.

[-St George]

In the west a tiny fraction had and still has the vast majority of the wealth, it should be shared with everyone! The resources shouldn't be owned by a single person or small group, but the people all together.

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

Because there's Person C, who's daddy was Person B, and Person C hasn't studied a day in his life, but still has lots of wealth, and Person D, who work's hard to feed his family, but still fails to make the rent, and the bills and then little Suzy breaks a leg and he wasn't able to afford insurance and can't pay the hospital bills. And then there's Person E, born in a poor family, in a poor area, with terrible schools. Maybe 0.000001% of people comparable to Person E will ever succeed, no matter how hard they work.

I fail to see why this is so hard to get for some people. The richest aren't the richest because they work hardest, they're richest because they were the luckiest.,

[-St George]

What about the lazy bastards that that got all the money they own from their fathers managers are becoming the new aristocorasy.

They deserve it. Those people worked hard, and they're now sharing the fruits of their labor with their family. I see nothing wrong with that.

So you it's not ok to be a 'weedsmoking freeloader', unless Daddy is rich?

You're divorced from reality.

[Red Indus]

The manager has studied hard; possibly in an university. He has gone thru hundreds of exams and tests, he has tried hard to get a job. And when he finally gets his job, fruit of all those years of hard work and labor some nutjob kills him because some workers who weren't so hard-working got an idea: ''PROLOTORIAT CONTROLZ DIS FACTORY NAO!!11'' or something like that.

dude the cambodians never had any possibility of getting to a university, they would probably die trying to get there

[Hippostania]

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

Because there's Person C, who's daddy was Person B, and Person C hasn't studied a day in his life, but still has lots of wealth, and Person D, who work's hard to feed his family, but still fails to make the rent, and the bills and then little Suzy breaks a leg and he wasn't able to afford insurance and can't pay the hospital bills. And then there's Person E, born in a poor family, in a poor area, with terrible schools. Maybe 0.000001% of people comparable to Person E will ever succeed, no matter how hard they work.

I fail to see why this is so hard to get for some people. The richest aren't the richest because they work hardest, they're richest because they were the luckiest.,

How tragic.
That doesn't change the fact that other people are not responsible for these people. Other may people may help them if they want, but forcing them to help these people is unethical and wrong.

[Proloteriat]

I'm not going to say they aren't offering a possibility of a better life, but most of the profit goes to the manager, probably many times over the work they have done.

The manager has studied hard; possibly in an university. He has gone thru hundreds of exams and tests, he has tried hard to get a job. And when he finally gets his job, fruit of all those years of hard work and labor some nutjob kills him because some workers who weren't so hard-working got an idea: ''PROLOTORIAT CONTROLZ DIS FACTORY NAO!!11'' or something like that.

Look what about the people that didnt study but have inhereted millions of dollars from their fathers wile they did nothing just got the money paid a man to manage the company live in in a mansion.

[Hippostania]

The manager has studied hard; possibly in an university. He has gone thru hundreds of exams and tests, he has tried hard to get a job. And when he finally gets his job, fruit of all those years of hard work and labor some nutjob kills him because some workers who weren't so hard-working got an idea: ''PROLOTORIAT CONTROLZ DIS FACTORY NAO!!11'' or something like that.

dude the cambodians never had any possibility of getting to a university, they would probably die trying to get there

Yeah. That is why they should be happy that Nike is offering jobs for them to benefit their future instead of complaining.

[Vestr-Norig]

In the west a tiny fraction had and still has the vast majority of the wealth, it should be shared with everyone! The resources shouldn't be owned by a single person or small group, but the people all together.

Now they shouldn't. Why should person A, a lazy weedsmoker who hasn't studied a day in his life own a same amount of property as a person B, who has studied hard for years? Why does the person A have a right to steal person's B property and money, even though he doesn't deserve it?

It isn't true that if only you work hard enough you will make a high amount of money, and get a proper house, a car, a good life, etc. I do agree with you that if you do not contribute to the society, you should not get anything back either, but the fact is that many important and hard-working jobs, such as farmers, miners, nurses, teachers, carpenters, priests, etc, do not earn anything compared to for example lawyers, directors, etc. This is a very unfair resource allocation, and has nothing to do with "who works hard or not". As a matter of fact, most of the underpaid jobs today are far more important than the jobs most of the upper-class fills.

[Hippostania]

They deserve it. Those people worked hard, and they're now sharing the fruits of their labor with their family. I see nothing wrong with that.

So you it's not ok to be a 'weedsmoking freeloader', unless Daddy is rich?

You're divorced from reality.

No, because weed is illegal. If he smokes tobacco, that's fine.

[Cologno]

Because his father has worked hard to give his family a wealthy and happy life.

But you said

No, person B is better than person A because he has worked and studied hard and benefitted the society. Person A has just been a useless load for whom I feel no compassion at all.

Is Paris Hilton her father?

[-St George]

Because there's Person C, who's daddy was Person B, and Person C hasn't studied a day in his life, but still has lots of wealth, and Person D, who work's hard to feed his family, but still fails to make the rent, and the bills and then little Suzy breaks a leg and he wasn't able to afford insurance and can't pay the hospital bills. And then there's Person E, born in a poor family, in a poor area, with terrible schools. Maybe 0.000001% of people comparable to Person E will ever succeed, no matter how hard they work.

I fail to see why this is so hard to get for some people. The richest aren't the richest because they work hardest, they're richest because they were the luckiest.,

How tragic.
That doesn't change the fact that other people are not responsible for these people. Other may people may help them if they want, but forcing them to help these people is unethical and wrong.

Oh how lol[bertarian].

Taxation = theft amirite.

Poor = poor for a reason amirite.

State = evil amirite.

[Frenequesta]

So you it's not ok to be a 'weedsmoking freeloader', unless Daddy is rich?

You're divorced from reality.

No, because weed is illegal. If he smokes tobacco, that's fine.

Irrelevant. It's not the son's fruits of labor. You want everyone to have wealth on their own merits.

[-St George]

So you it's not ok to be a 'weedsmoking freeloader', unless Daddy is rich?

You're divorced from reality.

No, because weed is illegal. If he smokes tobacco, that's fine.

O lawd.

Do try to be consistent. It's very wearing having to sort the hypocritical parts of your argument from the delusional parts.

[Hippostania]

Because his father has worked hard to give his family a wealthy and happy life.

But you said

No, person B is better than person A because he has worked and studied hard and benefitted the society. Person A has just been a useless load for whom I feel no compassion at all.

Is Paris Hilton her father?

Paris Hilton is not free-loading on society. She's paying her own bills, and as long as she gets that money legally it's none of my business what she does.

[Hippostania]

How tragic.
That doesn't change the fact that other people are not responsible for these people. Other may people may help them if they want, but forcing them to help these people is unethical and wrong.

Oh how lol[bertarian].

Taxation = theft amirite.

Poor = poor for a reason amirite.

State = evil amirite.

Taxation = theft, but it's necessary in SMALL AMOUNTS

Poor = Some are poor for a reason, some are not. It's not my duty to take care of them

State = Not evil unless it's too big.

[Red Indus]

Yeah. That is why they should be happy that Nike is offering jobs for them to benefit their future instead of complaining.

I think they might get along better if they had a stronger government. If they can organize, maybe they'll get it.

[-St George]

Poor = Some are poor for a reason, some are not.

That's not what you said earlier...