Obama's job speech to Congress

[UCUMAY]

Government should quit trying to regulate business within an inch of its life. Zoning laws should be relaxing, and the corporate income tax eliminated. That would make USA the place to start and grow business.

Zoning laws? Yeah, you'll love it when someone starts a factory on your block. Not a big one, mind, just a smallish one that has trucks pulling up nice and early in the morning, and hammering and banging all day. Yeah. Once again, HL Mencken is proved a prophet.

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

[Sibirsky]

Zoning laws? Yeah, you'll love it when someone starts a factory on your block. Not a big one, mind, just a smallish one that has trucks pulling up nice and early in the morning, and hammering and banging all day. Yeah. Once again, HL Mencken is proved a prophet.

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

[Gauthier]

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

Little surprise that Prick Erry's Texas would be a Libertarian Paradise.

[Ashmoria]

Stimulus spending doesn't work. We are digging a deeper hole, expecting to appear in China.

of course it works.

its our only reasonable course of action if we want to get the economy going again

[Farnhamia]

Zoning laws? Yeah, you'll love it when someone starts a factory on your block. Not a big one, mind, just a smallish one that has trucks pulling up nice and early in the morning, and hammering and banging all day. Yeah. Once again, HL Mencken is proved a prophet.

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

They do have deed restrictions, though, which ...

- Affect the use to which real property may be put;
- Fix the distance that a structure must be set back from property lines, street lines, or lot lines;
- Affect the size of a lot or the size, type and number of structures that may be built on the lot;
- Regulate orientation of a structure; or
- Regulate certain fences requiring a building permit.

Those sound very much like zoning regulations. They just don't call them that.

As for zero corporate taxes, why shouldn't corporations pay for the government services they use?

[UCUMAY]

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

Little surprise that Prick Erry's Texas would be a Libertarian Paradise.

I hate Rick Perry, and trust me he's not a Libertarian's dream. He's a conservative's dream. I personally hate him.
P.S. Rick Perry has nothing to do with Houston zoning. Houston's people have rejected zoning laws several times.

[UCUMAY]

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

They do have deed restrictions, though, which ...

- Affect the use to which real property may be put;
- Fix the distance that a structure must be set back from property lines, street lines, or lot lines;
- Affect the size of a lot or the size, type and number of structures that may be built on the lot;
- Regulate orientation of a structure; or
- Regulate certain fences requiring a building permit.

Those sound very much like zoning regulations. They just don't call them that.

As for zero corporate taxes, why shouldn't corporations pay for the government services they use?

Because it's a double tax. They pay taxes in payroll, or capital gains.

[UCUMAY]

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

They do have deed restrictions, though, which ...

- Affect the use to which real property may be put;
- Fix the distance that a structure must be set back from property lines, street lines, or lot lines;
- Affect the size of a lot or the size, type and number of structures that may be built on the lot;
- Regulate orientation of a structure; or
- Regulate certain fences requiring a building permit.

Those sound very much like zoning regulations. They just don't call them that.

As for zero corporate taxes, why shouldn't corporations pay for the government services they use?

Yes, please completely ignore the point.

[The Black Forrest]

Zoning laws? Yeah, you'll love it when someone starts a factory on your block. Not a big one, mind, just a smallish one that has trucks pulling up nice and early in the morning, and hammering and banging all day. Yeah. Once again, HL Mencken is proved a prophet.

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

So visiting makes you an expert?

[UCUMAY]

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

So visiting makes you an expert?

Ask the people who've voted against zoning laws. Houston's people like it that way.

[The Black Forrest]

I've been to Houston where they have no zoning. It wasn't horrible.

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

Been there wouldn't want to live there.

Why aren't you living there?

[Sibirsky]

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

Little surprise that Prick Erry's Texas would be a Libertarian Paradise.

Houston =/= Texas.

Rick Perry =/= libertarian. Not even remotely close.

[UCUMAY]

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

Been there wouldn't want to live there.

Why aren't you living there?

Because I don't have family, or resources there. Otherwise I'd consider it. It stays a lot warmer than this part of Texas.

[The Black Forrest]

So visiting makes you an expert?

Ask the people who've voted against zoning laws. Houston's people like it that way.

Never got into that topic when I did some work there so can't comment.

[Farnhamia]

They do have deed restrictions, though, which ...

- Affect the use to which real property may be put;
- Fix the distance that a structure must be set back from property lines, street lines, or lot lines;
- Affect the size of a lot or the size, type and number of structures that may be built on the lot;
- Regulate orientation of a structure; or
- Regulate certain fences requiring a building permit.

Those sound very much like zoning regulations. They just don't call them that.

As for zero corporate taxes, why shouldn't corporations pay for the government services they use?

Because it's a double tax. They pay taxes in payroll, or capital gains.

"Payroll tax" is generally understood as meaning the tax a worker pays, that is deducted from his pay. Are you using a different definition?

Capital gains taxes are levied on the profit made when a person or a corporation sells a holding. This is different than the profit made on the sale of goods and services.

I think I'm right in this.

[The Black Forrest]

Been there wouldn't want to live there.

Why aren't you living there?

Because I don't have family, or resources there. Otherwise I'd consider it. It stays a lot warmer than this part of Texas.

True. Where you at?

[Sibirsky]

It's fantastic. It's the main reason Houston is so much more affordable than New York or San Francisco, for example.

Been there wouldn't want to live there.

Why aren't you living there?

What fucking difference does it make where I live?

[UCUMAY]

Because I don't have family, or resources there. Otherwise I'd consider it. It stays a lot warmer than this part of Texas.

True. Where you at?

DFW

[Farnhamia]

Been there wouldn't want to live there.

Why aren't you living there?

What fucking difference does it make where I live?

If Houston is so affordable and wonderful, why aren't you living there?

[Sibirsky]

True. Where you at?

DFW

UCUMAY, I love you, but I hate your local football team.

[The Black Forrest]

True. Where you at?

DFW

Oh yea. I would not like that at all.....

[UCUMAY]

DFW

UCUMAY, I love you, but I hate your local football team.

I hate them too.

[Sibirsky]

What fucking difference does it make where I live?

If Houston is so affordable and wonderful, why aren't you living there?

Irrelevant.

[UCUMAY]

Because it's a double tax. They pay taxes in payroll, or capital gains.

"Payroll tax" is generally understood as meaning the tax a worker pays, that is deducted from his pay. Are you using a different definition?

Capital gains taxes are levied on the profit made when a person or a corporation sells a holding. This is different than the profit made on the sale of goods and services.

I think I'm right in this.

People work in corporations. Those individuals already pay one of those two taxes. Hence, why I claim it's a double tax.

[Sibirsky]

UCUMAY, I love you, but I hate your local football team.

I hate them too.