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Ryadn wrote:

History land wrote:Yes but teacher`s unions usally are mediocore since they are goverment controlled just like the schools. So therofre are to teach the same lesson the same way to every class.

I don't know why I'm surprised you know nothing about unions or teachers. It's obvious from your typing and general incoherence that you've never seen the inside of a classroom.

wrong agian I have been inside a classroom

History land wrote:Yes but teacher`s unions usally are mediocore since they are goverment controlled just like the schools. So therofre are to teach the same lesson the same way to every class.

The government does not control the teacher's union.
I do not teach the same lesson the same way to every one of my classes, and my colleagues teach their classes differently from me and from each other, even when we are teaching the same curriculum.

Once again: making things up to fit your idea of the world.

History land wrote:quote="History land";p="495493"]

Ryadn wrote:

History land wrote:2: Unions are collective barganing and plus they had the supeior mind than the workers who made up the union
6: Unions bosses are Superior so they should decied the wages

Unions are made up of workers. I don't know why you seem to believe that the people who run unions are somehow 'outside' of them. I belong to the state teachers' union. It's run by... no, wait, are you ready?... teachers. Teachers who are elected (elected!) by other union members to represent them. Isn't that wild??

Wow I am soory you are in that union. I hope you get out soon

And I am sorry that you lack the ability to read and comprehend what people write. See he/she just told you the union is a democratic organization.[/quote]

So it`s an orgnization where majority rules correct[/quote]

Yes and not tyrannies of evil gangster bosses you imagine. [/quote]


Oh so then the teachers union is already a tyranny.

Barringtonia wrote:

Katganistan wrote:In my fantasy world, I am six feet tall, 120lbs, and the most highly sought after drop-dead-gorgeous supermodel/rockstar/assassin in the world.

In reality, not so much.

Indeed, you're 5 foot 10,

Not so much even as that. Nor a supermodel. Nor a rockstar. Nor an assassin.
Nor did I kick a police horse in the nuts.

Pointless.

History land wrote:

Ryadn wrote:History land: have you ever been employed? Have you ever worked a job? Answer the question.

To be honest no. So your saying because your part to a union of mediocore teachers say you have more experince in the job market.

Don`t think your union is mediocore goverment run unions like yours and all the schools.

So you have no experience in the workforce yet you think somehow you know all about business and economics?

Katganistan wrote:

History land wrote:Yes but teacher`s unions usally are mediocore since they are goverment controlled just like the schools. So therofre are to teach the same lesson the same way to every class.

The government does not control the teacher's union.
I do not teach the same lesson the same way to every one of my classes, and my colleagues teach their classes differently from me and from each other, even when we are teaching the same curriculum.

Once again: making things up to fit your idea of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swl8frWSNEQ

Oh don`t worry I have more facts

Allbeama wrote:

History land wrote:

Ryadn wrote:History land: have you ever been employed? Have you ever worked a job? Answer the question.

To be honest no. So your saying because your part to a union of mediocore teachers say you have more experince in the job market.

Don`t think your union is mediocore goverment run unions like yours and all the schools.

So you have no experience in the workforce yet you think somehow you know all about business and economics?

At least I support freedom in business and economics.

History land wrote:Unions are made up of workers. I don't know why you seem to believe that the people who run unions are somehow 'outside' of them. I belong to the state teachers' union. It's run by... no, wait, are you ready?... teachers. Teachers who are elected (elected!) by other union members to represent them. Isn't that wild??

Wow I am soory you are in that union. I hope you get out soon[/quote]

And I am sorry that you lack the ability to read and comprehend what people write. See he/she just told you the union is a democratic organization.[/quote]

So it`s an orgnization where majority rules correct[/quote]

Yes and not tyrannies of evil gangster bosses you imagine. [/quote]


Oh so then the teachers union is already a tyranny.[/quote]
wrong wrong wrong! It is a democracy you know the people involved participate in the whole damn thing... you lose credibility and respect with each post you make.

http://www.debv.com/rant92802.htm


Here is another one aginst Public Education

History land wrote:At least I support freedom in business and economics.

No you support corporate tyranny and refuse to realize it.

Allbeama wrote:

History land wrote:Unions are made up of workers. I don't know why you seem to believe that the people who run unions are somehow 'outside' of them. I belong to the state teachers' union. It's run by... no, wait, are you ready?... teachers. Teachers who are elected (elected!) by other union members to represent them. Isn't that wild??

Wow I am soory you are in that union. I hope you get out soon

And I am sorry that you lack the ability to read and comprehend what people write. See he/she just told you the union is a democratic organization.[/quote]

So it`s an orgnization where majority rules correct[/quote]

Yes and not tyrannies of evil gangster bosses you imagine. [/quote]


Oh so then the teachers union is already a tyranny.[/quote]
wrong wrong wrong! It is a democracy you know the people involved participate in the whole damn thing... you lose credibility and respect with each post you make.[/quote]




I see you are blinded. Let me help

Democracy is run by the majority and the minority is supressed. It`s no diffrent than a lynch mob where the only dissenting vote is the man at the end of the rope.

Allbeama wrote:

History land wrote:At least I support freedom in business and economics.

No you support corporate tyranny and refuse to realize it.

Corporate tyranny only comes from goverment regulations. GE is proof look how there doing since they deal with goverment.

History land wrote:

Katganistan wrote:

History land wrote:Yes but teacher`s unions usally are mediocore since they are goverment controlled just like the schools. So therofre are to teach the same lesson the same way to every class.

The government does not control the teacher's union.
I do not teach the same lesson the same way to every one of my classes, and my colleagues teach their classes differently from me and from each other, even when we are teaching the same curriculum.

Once again: making things up to fit your idea of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swl8frWSNEQ

Oh don`t worry I have more facts

except that homeschooling and private schools exist as alternatives to the public school system...so your video is apparently distorting information to conform to a libertarian point of view...hmmm that's called bias.

quote="History land";p="495541"]

Katganistan wrote:

History land wrote:Yes but teacher`s unions usally are mediocore since they are goverment controlled just like the schools. So therofre are to teach the same lesson the same way to every class.

The government does not control the teacher's union.
I do not teach the same lesson the same way to every one of my classes, and my colleagues teach their classes differently from me and from each other, even when we are teaching the same curriculum.

Once again: making things up to fit your idea of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swl8frWSNEQ

Oh don`t worry I have more facts[/quote]

except that homeschooling and private schools exist as alternatives to the public school system...so your video is apparently distorting information to conform to a libertarian point of view...hmmm that's called bias.[/quote]

excpet with the public school system private schools are too expensive. Also laws get in the way of homeschooling

History land wrote:

Allbeama wrote:

History land wrote:At least I support freedom in business and economics.

No you support corporate tyranny and refuse to realize it.

Corporate tyranny only comes from goverment regulations. GE is proof look how there doing since they deal with goverment.

No corporate tyranny comes from lack of regulation by our democratic government which is intended to serve the people. Remember the Gilded Age at all?

Have you heard of GE

History land wrote:Have you heard of GE

Do you mean GM?

Barringtonia wrote:

History land wrote:Have you heard of GE

Do you mean GM?

I mean GE

History land wrote:

Barringtonia wrote:

History land wrote:Have you heard of GE

Do you mean GM?

I mean GE

What's your point about GE then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFkO0pYQ03E

Here is GE

Two words: Diamond Cartel.


Don't like that? Okay then.

Let's go with the first assumption.
Economics relies upon the assumption that human beings are essentially and inherently rational. That they will make choices so as to maximise their own outcomes - so as to 'come out on top' with the most money. Remember, we're talking ONLY about money here. So, when you get the scenario:
I have $100. Next to you is someone you don't know. I will give you some of the $100, but you have to share it with the person next to you. You will make them an offer (of how to split the money), and they will either accept or reject your offer. If they reject it, I keep the money - if they accept it, the money is shared as per your offer.
Research presented at the Happiness Conference at the London School of Economics 1999, by Daniel Kahneman of the University of Princeton, showed that the vast majority of people involved in this study chose to split the money equally - that is, $50 each.
THIS IS IRRATIONAL. This is not MAXIMISING their OWN outcomes. Some people chose to split the money so as to offer more to the person next to them, than to themselves, so as to be sure they would accept the offer. Some split so as to maximise their own outcome. Not all did.

Now, we have evidence that humans are not essentially and inherently rational, and you have conceded the point yourself, we can move on.

You have also conceded that people don't usually choose to be poor, and therefore being poor is not their fault. If this is not the case, let me add: disability, mental illness, physical illness, social structures, lack of education - do I actually need to continue? I'll bring up education in just a moment, don't worry.

As I understand it, many Americans are insured for health care by their employer. It is clearly in the best interests of the employer to use the cheapest form of health care insurance available. As the employee becomes unwell, however - let's use MS as an example - they loose their job because they are no longer able to preform it. Thus they loose their health insurance. And then they are uninsured, with a pre-existing condition, making it very expensive to get their own health insurance. And because they don't have a job, they cannot afford it. Get it?

You already pay to give poor people free health care. It's called "no man shall die for lack of health care", or something like that (I'm from Australia, and not the US, so I don't peruse your legislation or constitution often). Sure, they can die of cancer in your country without government intervention, but you pay taxes to the government who pays for free health care in the emergency departments for those who need it.
I want you to tell me how a health care, which is a sector that tends to loose money, could possibly be made affordable for everyone under a free market system. It is an essential service. When you land yourself at the doctor, I'm sure you'd like to have the treatment you require, rather than the treatment you can afford. It's not a system whereby another hospital can set up and charge lower prices. Please also note that in most cases prevention, and early intervention, are more successful and less expensive than treatment in emergency.

It is in the best interests of the economy to have as many people involved in the workforce as possible. Easy enough to accept? The more people working, the more work can be done, right? So it's in the best interests of the economy to have as many people *able* to work as possible - therefore *healthy*. The hospital system over here is a combined system. Often the private hospitals are nicer, but they are selective of their patients - they want the profit patients (short time in a bed). They often specialise, leaving public hospitals to fill in the gaps. Why? Health care is an expensive service, and being private businesses they have to try and make a profit. That's how they do it. Hence my disbelief that health care could be successfully privatised, with everyone having comprehensive, inexpensive, insurance.

I see that education falls into the same essential service category that health care does. Schools are expensive to run. There are many costs to cover. A standard of education must be met for people to be employable. In Australia again, we have a mixed system. Public schools are as good as the area they are in, as they do much of the fund-raising for themselves - schools in higher socio-economic areas are able to raise more than those schools which are not, because of the capacity of the people who are able to donate. Private schools have school fees, many thousands of dollars a year. Two children at an inexpensive private school would still cost you over $10 000 a year. Given an average wage of around $45 000-$50 000, that's quite a lot! It doesn't leave much for other essentials, like health care, groceries, nor shelter. I would like to hear how you propose a free market could reduce the cost of education, while at the same time producing a better quality of education.



Can't be bothered with anymore at the moment, having just written an essay on this. Let's see if I get an imaginative one-liner from you first.

History land wrote:

Ryadn wrote:History land: have you ever been employed? Have you ever worked a job? Answer the question.

To be honest no. So your saying because your part to a union of mediocore teachers say you have more experince in the job market.

Don`t think your union is mediocore goverment run unions like yours and all the schools.

I don't think that's even written in English.

History land wrote:
excpet with the public school system private schools are too expensive. Also laws get in the way of homeschooling

Prove that homeschooling is in anyway prohibited. Private Schools are supposed to cost money, that's what private means. And also there are religious schools that one could send their children to. There are plenty of options now. And public schools are run by state governments so none of them are exactly the same as far as quality, curriculum, and performance are concerned because standards vary. I attended public schools and seem to have a far better grasp of grammar and spelling than you do for example.