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Do you believe in God?

Yes, i am a devout follower of God.
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34%
No, i don't believe in god. ( Atheist )
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43%
I believe in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. ( Really exists )
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I believe in Aliens. ( Annunaki/Igigi )
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Other. ( Please State )
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Furious Grandmothers
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:15 am

Demen 2 wrote:No, there is no logical reasoning to, religion's job was to civilize many of the ancient peoples, who didn't have many (if any) set morals and did as they chose, the promise of a "heaven" would rationalize their behaviour.


It did its job, and now, it's creating more problems than ever before. To me, religion is a problem. And I want nothing to do with it.

That depends. Some religions conversely preach what could be often construed as relatively more immoral as compared to existing social norms of the ancient peoples.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:33 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:I've reconsidered. I do believe in myself.

I believe in you to. Don't expect me to worship you though.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:35 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:I've reconsidered. I do believe in myself.

Scroll in to the two minutes mark ...
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:35 am

Genivaria wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:I've reconsidered. I do believe in myself.

I believe in you to. Don't expect me to worship you though.


As a merciful and benevolent god I only demand recognition, and not worship. Just one of many reasons I'm a superior god to YHWH. Given my lower demands, and roughly equal chances of answering your prayers I'm clearly the superior deity. Also, my chosen people haven't had to suffer nearly as badly as the Jews.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:37 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I believe in you to. Don't expect me to worship you though.


As a merciful and benevolent god I only demand recognition, and not worship. Just one of many reasons I'm a superior god to YHWH. Given my lower demands, and roughly equal chances of answering your prayers I'm clearly the superior deity. Also, my chosen people haven't had to suffer nearly as badly as the Jews.

You have Chosen People?
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:39 am

Genivaria wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
As a merciful and benevolent god I only demand recognition, and not worship. Just one of many reasons I'm a superior god to YHWH. Given my lower demands, and roughly equal chances of answering your prayers I'm clearly the superior deity. Also, my chosen people haven't had to suffer nearly as badly as the Jews.

You have Chosen People?


I am pretty fond of Scythians, Vikings, Goths and Pechenegs.
I reserve the right to ignore wank, furries/scalies, elves, magic, other fantasy vermin & absurd populations. Haters gonna hate.
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:42 am

Levayan Satanist.
So, no. I don't believe in any god.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:42 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You have Chosen People?


I am pretty fond of Scythians, Vikings, Goths and Pechenegs.

Feh. You want a real challenge, try picking some civilized people. Not that I was given to handing out commandments and orders and such, but good grief! the Ung Sang-Giga could argue in circles better than an Anarcho-Capitalist asked for empirical proofs.
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<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:44 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
I am pretty fond of Scythians, Vikings, Goths and Pechenegs.

Not that I was given to handing out commandments and orders and such, but good grief! the Ung Sang-Giga could argue in circles better than an Anarcho-Capitalist asked for empirical proofs.

:eyebrow: :palm:
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
"Morality is a device for controlling the gullible with words." - L A Rollins
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:44 am

Terra Agora wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Not that I was given to handing out commandments and orders and such, but good grief! the Ung Sang-Giga could argue in circles better than an Anarcho-Capitalist asked for empirical proofs.

:eyebrow: :palm:

I know, the timing could not have been more perfect. Glad you liked it.
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"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:44 am

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:45 am

Pope Joan wrote:spamalamadingdong

Why's it spam? And if you're so adamant, go report it, instead of spamming the thread.
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And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:48 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Terra Agora wrote: :eyebrow: :palm:

I know, the timing could not have been more perfect. Glad you liked it.

Well you're wrong... On all levels.
First you assume that all Anarcho Capitalists are followers of Austrian economics. For example (off the top of my head I can think of a few) David Friedman, son of Milton Friedman, is an anarcho capitalist. Another non Austrian AnCap is Bryan Caplan.

Then you assume Austrian economics is 100% against empirical proof, which is of course wrong.
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“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
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Postby Xenohumanity » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:50 am

Terra Agora wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I know, the timing could not have been more perfect. Glad you liked it.

Well you're wrong... On all levels.
First you assume that all Anarcho Capitalists are followers of Austrian economics. For example (of the top of my head I can think of a few) David Friedman, son of Milton Friedman, is an anarcho capitalist. Another non Austrian AnCap is Bryan Caplan.

Then you assume Austrian economics is 100% against empirical proof, which is of course wrong.

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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:52 am

Xenohumanity wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Well you're wrong... On all levels.
First you assume that all Anarcho Capitalists are followers of Austrian economics. For example (of the top of my head I can think of a few) David Friedman, son of Milton Friedman, is an anarcho capitalist. Another non Austrian AnCap is Bryan Caplan.

Then you assume Austrian economics is 100% against empirical proof, which is of course wrong.

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I call out shit when I see it.

It's funny, I defend Anarcho Capitalism more then I actually defend my own beliefs.
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:53 am

Terra Agora wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I know, the timing could not have been more perfect. Glad you liked it.

Well you're wrong... On all levels.
First you assume that all Anarcho Capitalists are followers of Austrian economics. For example (of the top of my head I can think of a few) David Friedman, son of Milton Friedman, is an anarcho capitalist. Another non Austrian AnCap is Bryan Caplan.

Then you assume Austrian economics is 100% against empirical proof, which is of course wrong.

Thank you.
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And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Izzyshipper » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:53 am

I was agnostic for a few years, but now a full Athesist. Still have respect for religeon though. Certain ones.
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Postby Xenohumanity » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:55 am

Izzyshipper wrote:I was agnostic for a few years, but now a full Athesist. Still have respect for religeon though. Certain ones.

Well, all religious beliefs (dogmatic or otherwise) have something going for them. I'd be interested to know what faiths or churches you have a vendetta with.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:59 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:spamalamadingdong

Why's it spam? And if you're so adamant, go report it, instead of spamming the thread.


I just wonder why Dread Lady ignores this repetitious nonsense but bans a harmless discussion about peanut butter, of all things.
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Postby Izzyshipper » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:02 pm

Xenohumanity wrote:
Izzyshipper wrote:I was agnostic for a few years, but now a full Athesist. Still have respect for religeon though. Certain ones.

Well, all religious beliefs (dogmatic or otherwise) have something going for them. I'd be interested to know what faiths or churches you have a vendetta with.


No vendetta, just lack of respect. Scientology, for one, and most of the new sorta cultish religeons. Also I'm not so hot on the Roman Catholic Church.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:21 pm

Izzyshipper wrote:
Xenohumanity wrote:Well, all religious beliefs (dogmatic or otherwise) have something going for them. I'd be interested to know what faiths or churches you have a vendetta with.


No vendetta, just lack of respect. Scientology, for one, and most of the new sorta cultish religeons. Also I'm not so hot on the Roman Catholic Church.

I classify the RCC as a International Criminal Organization.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:25 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Why's it spam? And if you're so adamant, go report it, instead of spamming the thread.


I just wonder why Dread Lady ignores this repetitious nonsense but bans a harmless discussion about peanut butter, of all things.


go ask her in the moderation forum instead of bothering us with your resentment.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:39 pm

Darqastan wrote:And you can feel God too.


And what does god feel like? What about the feel makes you think "This is the presence of god." rather than "This is a strange neurological phenomenon."?

It's sensible to conclude some things about yourself from your own internal experiences. It's not so sensible to conclude things about the fundamental nature of the universe from internal experiences. That kind of attitude is similar to another kind called rationalism, and it is seriously taken to task by philosophers like Kant and Hume.

Really, you can't even conclude much about YOURSELF through internal experiences. Humans are notoriously bad at self-evaluation. Humans also tend to think that they're taking in far more of the world than they actually are. Humans have an enormously inflated sense of how powerful their minds are.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:40 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Darqastan wrote:And you can feel God too.


And what does god feel like? What about the feel makes you think "This is the presence of god." rather than "This is a strange neurological phenomenon."?

It's sensible to conclude some things about yourself from your own internal experiences. It's not so sensible to conclude things about the fundamental nature of the universe from internal experiences. That kind of attitude is similar to another kind called rationalism, and it is seriously taken to task by philosophers like Kant and Hume.

Really, you can't even conclude much about YOURSELF through internal experiences. Humans are notoriously bad at self-evaluation. Humans also tend to think that they're taking in far more of the world than they actually are. Humans have an enormously inflated sense of how powerful their minds are.

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Postby Izzyshipper » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:54 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Izzyshipper wrote:
No vendetta, just lack of respect. Scientology, for one, and most of the new sorta cultish religeons. Also I'm not so hot on the Roman Catholic Church.

I classify the RCC as a International Criminal Organization.


I wouldn't go that far, personally, but their posistion is abused.
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