Do you belive in God?

[Genivaria]

So....Christianity?

What? Christianity is a peaceful religion, heretic. KILL THE HERETICS!

Also, its CLEANSE, purge kill. Not burn.

[New Heliopolis]

Yes it does. Positive cosmological constant. Why's a positive cosmological constant there? Not the big bang theory's problem.

Very much the Big Bang theory's problem, seeing as an arbitrary number that we have absolutely no idea about is necessary to save the numerous expansion-rate calculations that were used as evidence, or even proof, for it.

And this has what to do with science using the argument from ignorance?

It doesn't.

Again, I wasn't talking about science.

Which is why science ISN'T SUGGESTING THAT IT CAN!

Science is incapable of making suggestions--it's a method, not a person.

[Norstal]

What? Christianity is a peaceful religion, heretic. KILL THE HERETICS!

Also, its CLEANSE, purge kill. Not burn.

Oh yeah. >_>;

Burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean!

[Gauntleted Fist]

Also, its CLEANSE, purge kill. Not burn.

Oh yeah. >_>;

Burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean!

Life is the Emperor's Currency, spend it well.

[Genivaria]

Oh yeah. >_>;

Burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean!

Life is the Emperor's Currency, spend it well.

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbound and unguarded.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Life is the Emperor's Currency, spend it well.

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbound and unguarded.

A small mind is easily filled with faith.

[Xenohumanity]

Those who oppose thee
Shall know the wrath of Man.
Field and forest shall burn,
The seas shall rise and devour them,
The wind shall tear their nations
From the face of the earth,
Lightning shall rain down from the sky,
They shall cry out to their false gods,
And find silence.

Oh my god-
Gauntleted Fist is in our thread-
Is it cool now guys?
Guys I think we're cool now-
I'm so happy.

In all seriousness, though, anybody who worships a corpse in a broken chair is the proverbial 'and idiot'. Chaos Undivided is where it's at.

[Genivaria]

Those who oppose thee
Shall know the wrath of Man.
Field and forest shall burn,
The seas shall rise and devour them,
The wind shall tear their nations
From the face of the earth,
Lightning shall rain down from the sky,
They shall cry out to their false gods,
And find silence.

Oh my god-
Gauntleted Fist is in our thread-
Is it cool now guys?
Guys I think we're cool now-
I'm so happy.

In all seriousness, though, anybody who worships a corpse in a broken chair is the proverbial 'and idiot'. Chaos Undivided is where it's at.

Your dead to me.
FOR THE TAU'VA!

[Sociobiology]

No, the differences in observable predictions are minute. The differences in narrative are immense.

Which, is, by the way, what I was talking about.

If you can't observe crap, you can't really test your theory out, can you?

But then, I know nothing of the subject.

Unless of course you build a machine to do the observations such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider or space probes

[Four-sided Triangles]

Very much the Big Bang theory's problem, seeing as an arbitrary number that we have absolutely no idea about is necessary to save the numerous expansion-rate calculations that were used as evidence, or even proof, for it.

Wrong. It's not a matter for the big bang. It's a matter for quantum cosmology.

It doesn't.

Then what is your argument even about?

Science is incapable of making suggestions--it's a method, not a person.

Yeah, and one thing that scientific methodology rejects automatically is argument from ignorance.

[New Heliopolis]

Which, is, by the way, what I was talking about.

If you can't observe crap, you can't really test your theory out, can you?

But then, I know nothing of the subject.

Unless of course you build a machine to do the observations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

It's debated in the wiki whether or not the Colldier is even capable of making such observations.

[Gauntleted Fist]

In all seriousness, though, anybody who worships a corpse in a broken chair is the proverbial 'and idiot'. Chaos Undivided is where it's at.

At least mutants are honest enough to bear their treachery on the outside. The heretical cannot even do that. Hatred is, indeed, the finest gift of the Emperor to humanity.

[Xenohumanity]

FOR THE TAU'VA!

Tau can't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. Enjoy the Khorne Berzerkers. I'm sure they'll enjoy you.

[Takaram]

Unless of course you build a machine to do the observations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

It's debated in the wiki whether or not the Colldier is even capable of making such observations.

Yeah, but how much merit do the arguments that it can't have? Everything is debatable.

[Sociobiology]

Of course math can be empirically proven, every time a scientist makes a prediction based on a mathematical formula, it is tested against the real world, The apollo landing was a great test for mathematics because its path relied upon complex mathematical formula, the math could easily be disproven by say missing the moon entirely. It is difficult to test directly but not impossible to test.

Well, that's not really the math itself though is it? This is more of a miscalculation, a human error. After all, math is a tool. It won't work if you didn't use the tool right, although finding how to use the tool is harder than it looks.

only if there IS a miscalculation, landing on the moon proved the math correct, it could have proven it wrong if it did not accurately represent the universe.

[Genivaria]

FOR THE TAU'VA!

Tau can't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. Enjoy the Khorne Berzerkers. I'm sure they'll enjoy you.

Our tanks were useless. As soon as we broke cover, their battlesuits' heavy guns were locked on to us. I swear it was as though they had someone nearby aiming for them before they shot. And when they did shoot...Emperor's mercy! Their guns punched through our armour like it was paper. all I could see were trails of fire where the projectiles had ignited the air.--Guardsman Cauley, 25th Graian Rifles- Deceased

“We are well beyond their effective range
here, sire, any hits from this distance
will be negligable..”
Last words of Gunnery Master Dopern

[New Heliopolis]

Wrong. It's not a matter for the big bang. It's a matter for quantum cosmology.

Explain why. I had the courtesy to do so, hm?

Then what is your argument even about?

People who claim that science proves anything on the aforementioned subject of the universe's origins.

Yeah, and one thing that scientific methodology rejects automatically is argument from ignorance.

Yeah, and people aren't methods. Even when they claim to use them.

[Xenohumanity]

In all seriousness, though, anybody who worships a corpse in a broken chair is the proverbial 'and idiot'. Chaos Undivided is where it's at.

At least mutants are honest enough to bear their treachery on the outside. The heretical cannot even do that. Hatred is, indeed, the finest gift of the Emperor to humanity.

And the moral of the story, little Daemonettes, is fuck yeah humanity. Even if our brothers who worship the false Emperor will die for a lie, at least we can know that the only reason they fall is the weight of their own ignorance, not by some physical lack or failing.

It's not that we're killing the planets we find; it's that they're too weak to fight back. It's not that we're an army focused on self-mutilation and pointless sacrifice; it's that we're an army obsessed with mastering the art of slaughter and pain-spreading. It's not that we are an entity doomed to being forgotten; it's that we have better things to do than care what some xeno historian will write or not write in a book that no being worthy of eyes will read.

[Sociobiology]

Unless of course you build a machine to do the observations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

It's debated in the wiki whether or not the Colldier is even capable of making such observations.

but you will agree it is capable of making better observations than we can make without it. That is part of how science works, technology must catch up with predictions that is why there is so many theories floating around, because we have tested them and they are accurate to the limits of current observation, further observation will narrow the field even further.

[New Heliopolis]

It's debated in the wiki whether or not the Colldier is even capable of making such observations.

Yeah, but how much merit do the arguments that it can't have? Everything is debatable.

Well, I haven't seen either side's argument, though I personally think how suspect Big Bang Theory is affects whether or not these are, in fact, creation's conditions.
Asides, nothing observed would rule out anything other than potential cosmic structures.

[New Heliopolis]

It's debated in the wiki whether or not the Colldier is even capable of making such observations.

but you will agree it is capable of making better observations than we can make without it. That is part of how science works, technology must catch up with predictions that is why there is so many theories floating around, because we have tested them and they are accurate to the limits of current observation, further observation will narrow the field even further.

Yep. I don't disagree with this, at all.

Saying we have proof we don't have is all I was arguing about.

[Xenohumanity]

Our tanks were useless. As soon as we broke cover, their battlesuits' heavy guns were locked on to us. I swear it was as though they had someone nearby aiming for them before they shot. And when they did shoot...Emperor's mercy! Their guns punched through our armour like it was paper. all I could see were trails of fire where the projectiles had ignited the air.--Guardsman Cauley, 25th Graian Rifles- Deceased

Boy-o, that's the 'Emperor' and his Imperial Guard for you. Miserable piles of secrets with useless armor and non-weaponry, standing against truth, power, and the very Gods of Chaos themselves. The Traitor Guard we recruit know their purpose and do it well and quickly. The 'Imperial' Guard does not, and the sight of their breaking and flight before our weapons and men always brings the most guttural, animal of laughs from my men as they hunt their prey and tear them apart, body and soul.

[Genivaria]

Boy-o, that's the 'Emperor' and his Imperial Guard for you. Miserable piles of secrets with useless armor and non-weaponry, standing against truth, power, and the very Gods of Chaos themselves. The Traitor Guard we recruit know their purpose and do it well and quickly. The 'Imperial' Guard does not, and the sight of their breaking and flight before our weapons and men always brings the most guttural, animal of laughs from my men as they hunt their prey and tear them apart, body and soul.

He was killed by Tau artillery. Not chaos.

[Gauntleted Fist]

And the moral of the story, little Daemonettes, is fuck yeah humanity. Even if our brothers who worship the false Emperor will die for a lie, at least we can know that the only reason they fall is the weight of their own ignorance, not by some physical lack or failing.

It's not that we're killing the planets we find; it's that they're too weak to fight back. It's not that we're an army focused on self-mutilation and pointless sacrifice; it's that we're an army obsessed with mastering the art of slaughter and pain-spreading. It's not that we are an entity doomed to being forgotten; it's that we have better things to do than care what some xeno historian will write or not write in a book that no being worthy of eyes will read.

For all your bluster, the Eye is your prison as much as your home. Bay all you want, Chaos dog, you have chained yourself more than I.

[Sociobiology]

No there aren't. This is like saying evolution has holes because we can't yet explain abiogenesis. It's not correct.

A failure in the theory's ability to predict events is irrelevant?

yes, because the requirment is that it makes testable predictions, accurate testable predictions, not that it predicts everything everywhere forever.
there is something called the scope of a theory. why flies have only one pair of wings is beyond the scope of the theory of plate tectonics, that does not invalidate the theory of plate tectonics because what it does predict is testable and accurate.