Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Partybus]

Let's see. I would be disappointed in my kids if they went out and supported socialism and wanted the destruction of capitalism.

So would my parents.

Break the cycle man, be brave, and break the cycle!

[Maji Matamu]

By Yu-Gi-Owe's provided definitions, the civil rights sit-ins were horrible socialist riots, and their parents should be ashamed to have paid those kids' college tuitions.

I am glad that I don't follow Yu-Gi-Owe's definitions.

Now, let us ask a deeper question: what would you do as the parent of a college student who spends all of his/her time as a left- or right-wing shill on NationStates rather than studying?

your quote, my bold.
Which definitions have I provided?
impressionable students = young skulls full of mush?

You have my apologies; I am mixing two different things. You might have been complaining that their parents paid their college tuitions and they "wasted" it on political activism; but it was Hippostania whose portrayal of these events would have characterized those events as socialist riots.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Or a socialist, or a commie, or a dupe, or looking to get laid. Yup.

cannot tell if joking or just an idiot.

Let me know when you can identify current members of the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Future Farmers of America and Republicans or other "right" leaning groups in the demonstrations.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Really? That isn't what was written in the OP.

I suggest you re-read your OP.

I didn't say, "everyone". I said, "some".

[Sremski okrug]

I suggest you re-read your OP.

I didn't say, "everyone". I said, "some".

Making assumptions though, stereotypes are not good for society.

[Aurill]

Since I am an adult and my parents know where i stand politically, I think they would not be surprised. If you look at what both parties have done over the last few months it proves only one thing.

Those clowns are only focused on their own interests. They don't really care what is good for the country and it is beyond time for a change. If I didn't have a job and 4 kids to feed, I wouldn't hesitate to be in the march downtown tomorrow.

The fact is that the "Occupy" movement doesn't have any set objectives yet. Everyone in these marches aren't liberals and they aren't all conservatives. They are just fed up with the obvious greed and inconsideration that the middle class has to suffer at the hands of our legislators. And they realize that the current 2-party system doesn't cater to their interests. They are tired of a system built around differences that rejects compromise. I completely agree with them and wish I could take part without worrying about my job.

[Free Soviets]

If you look at what both parties have done over the last few months it proves only one thing.

Those clowns are only focused on their own interests. They don't really care what is good for the country and it is beyond time for a change. If I didn't have a job and 4 kids to feed, I wouldn't hesitate to be in the march downtown tomorrow.

under what possible interpretation of events could you at all claim that both parties have done such?

[You-Gi-Owe]

I didn't say, "everyone". I said, "some".

Making assumptions though, stereotypes are not good for society.

I'll get back to you on this after I find a quote from a college professor. Is that fair?

Here's something, he hasn't encouraged the students, but he sees them there:

Pratt Faculty Union to Join Wednesday Wall Street Demonstrations
A call from a fellow Pratt Faculty Union member to join the historic Occupy Wall Street movement:

Sisters & Brothers:
I’m on sabbatical this semester so I’ve spent a lot of time on Wall Street. I’ve seen some of you at Liberty Plaza, mostly sisters, two of whom are officials of our glorious union. I would encourage each of you to visit the Occupation at your convenience, what has been evolving there is truly incredible. I’m curious as to what Pratt students think, I’ve seen a few of them there, one doing documentary photography.

I will be at the demonstration on Wednesday and would like to suggest that Pratt’s Local 1460 march together in solidarity. Make signs, bring musical instruments or noise makers, good shoes and a sense of pride.

In solidarity, Jim Costanzo

http://occupywallst.org/

video performance on Wall Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWG7AIiNsdc

More information on the Wednesday evening march and demonstration:

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=282473051782707

COMMUNITY/LABOR MARCH TO WALL ST.
Share · Public Event

Time
Wednesday, October 5 · 4:30pm – 7:30pm
Location
City Hall, 250 Broadway
Created By
Beyond May 12

Let’s march down to Wall Street to welcome the protesters and show the faces of New Yorkers hardest hit by corporate greed.

Sponsored By:
United NY
Strong Economy for All Coalition
Working Families Party,
VOCAL-NY
Community Voices Heard
Alliance for Quality Education
New York Communities for Change
Coalition for the Homeless
Neighborhood Economic Development Advocacy Project (NEDAP)
TWU Local 100
The Job Party
NYC Coalition for Educational Justice
The Mirabal Sisters Cultural and Community Center
The New Deal for New York Campaign
National People’s Action
ALIGN
Human Services Council
Labor-Religion Coalition of New York State
Citizen Action of NY
MoveOn.org
SEIU 1199
CWA 1109
RWDSU
Communications Workers of America
Democracy for NYC
United Auto Workers
United Federation of Teachers
Professional Staff Congress – CUNY
National Nurses United
Common Cause NY

If I adopt a child, he or she is NOT going to Pratt. Look at his language. He calls his union, "glorious", in conjuction with "Sisters & Brothers". Obvious commie.

[Sremski okrug]

Making assumptions though, stereotypes are not good for society.

I'll get back to you on this after I find a quote from a college professor. Is that fair?

One college professor is hardly a justification for a stereotype. He could of also provided evidence to his students and allowed them to make up their own mind. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Copiosa Scotia]

If I'd attended a protest like this in my college days, I doubt there'd have been any significant reaction from my parents, who were willing to give me space to develop my own political views independent of theirs. I think most parents expect this will happen to some degree once their children go to college.

But if I'm a parent and also YGO, I suppose I freak out at the slightest hint that my precious child might be exploring liberal politics, and put them on the first plane back home so they can go to work in the fields of the family gun farm.

[Iron Chariots]

You know, from a good bit of the footage that I've seen, a lot of the protesters are recent college graduates who can't get a job after having had to go deep into debt to pay their own damn way through college. I'm personally very lucky that I have "only" about $16,000 myself.

And where does this "liberal professor" stereotype come from? Almost every professor I ever had would invariably took the opposite position to what a student would suggest so that they could force the student to explain their reasoning. So for me most of my professors seemed "conservative," countering my typical positions.

Maybe conservatives simply don't understand the concept of the Socratic method?

[Copiosa Scotia]

You mean corrupting the youth and making the weaker argument the stronger? They're adamantly against it.

[Fanaglia]

No, but taxing and regulating the banks and multinational corporations would be a nice start. Or the implementation of a "one person, one vote, one dollar" policy* when it comes to campaign donations. Or the removal of corporate personhood.

*Before someone goes "Ohhh, but one dollar per person!? Do you know how expensive a political campaign costs? ZOMG!" (because I know someone will), the "one dollar" part doesn't necessarily have to be "one dollar." It just needs to put a reasonable cap on campaign donations so that everyone has a chance for equal say. Maybe $1000. Just throwing that out there.

Corporations are taxed in fact that's pretty much the only reason we're able to function as a country with our tax rates this low and our spending this high.

The argument that you shouldn't be able to do something because not everyone can afford to is ridiculous.

I completely agree that corporate personhood is stupid but the sentiment behind it makes sense. A corporation really is just a group of people, why shouldn't an organization be able to spend it's money how it chooses?

Corporations are taxed, sure, but they are enjoying unfairly low rates thanks to all kinds of fun loopholes that they exploit in addition to the Bush-era tax cuts, meanwhile posting record profits and hoarding the money, rather than being the "job creators" conservatives love to tout them to be.

The argument isn't that you some shouldn't be able to do something because others can't afford it -- the argument is that, in a representative democracy, disproportionate funds creates disproportionate representation. It creates a corporate-controlled plutocracy, not a democracy.

A corporation is not inherently evil, as a lot of people imply, but a corporation does have an obligation to its shareholders to turn a profit, regardless of how many people it has to exploit or lay off. Corporations are by nature inhuman -- why should they have the same rights as a human?

[You-Gi-Owe]

You know, from a good bit of the footage that I've seen, a lot of the protesters are recent college graduates who can't get a job after having had to go deep into debt to pay their own damn way through college. I'm personally very lucky that I have "only" about $16,000 myself.

And where does this "liberal professor" stereotype come from? Almost every professor I ever had would invariably took the opposite position to what a student would suggest so that they could force the student to explain their reasoning. So for me most of my professors seemed "conservative," countering my typical positions.

Maybe conservatives simply don't understand the concept of the Socratic method?

That's interesting. Maybe we need a topic on "The Truth or Myth of the 'Liberal Professor'"? I'd be willing to participate, but that's not this topic.

[You-Gi-Owe]

You mean corrupting the youth and making the weaker argument the stronger? They're adamantly against it.

More like corrupting the youth and applying brute-force/political-pressure rather than make a reasoned argument and providing alternatives.

[Sremski okrug]

You mean corrupting the youth and making the weaker argument the stronger? They're adamantly against it.

More like corrupting the youth and applying brute-force/political-pressure rather than make a reasoned argument and providing alternatives.

How so?

[You-Gi-Owe]

More like corrupting the youth and applying brute-force/political-pressure rather than make a reasoned argument and providing alternatives.

How so?

Well, the guy interviewed in the quote that I put in the OP said that they weren't interested in "reform", but wanted "revolution".

AFK.

[Sremski okrug]

How so?

Well, the guy interviewed in the quote tht I put in the OP said that they weren't interest in "reform", but wanted "revolution".

Revolution can mean different things.

[The Warrior Hearted]

i leave for one day and opinion on anon turns around

*claps hands together*

Which anon butt buddy wants there beliefs ripped apart first?

[Sremski okrug]

i leave for one day and opinion on anon turns around

*claps hands together*

Which anon butt buddy wants there beliefs ripped apart first?

Of course wishing for politicians not to be bought out by corporations must mean I take it up the chutney.

[Dyakovo]

This seems ageist.

Everything seems ageist to you...
Maybe one day you'll grow out of it.
*nods*

[Dyakovo]

Which is still peaceful and in no way a riot...

Nope, it's a full-scale riot. The NYPD should intervene and stop this nonsense.

You obviously have no clue what a riot is...

[Kahanistan]

My mom never really approved of my political stances. I would say she'd be pretty fucked off especially if I got arrested out there. Then again she didn't stop paying for my college when I went to the G-20 in Pitts so who knows. That said, if I still had my driver's licence I probably would be out there on Wall Street.

[Sambianza]

Kid: MOMMY MOMMY! Im going to wall street to shut it down and stop capitalism and put the economy into a bigger standstill and make traders for scared about the instability...]

Mom:

[Iron Chariots]

Nope, it's a full-scale riot. The NYPD should intervene and stop this nonsense.

You obviously have no clue what a riot is...

Riot: (n)-- a protest that the speaker personally disagrees with