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Postby Yavin 1221 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:46 am

I don't get Anonymous. They take down PSN, then set their sites on Wall Street? I do not see the point, but then again, there has never really been any point with them.
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Postby Serrland » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:47 am

I assume the parents would by and large take it the way my parents took me protesting in the mid-2000s. Civic engagement and involvement is just that. If it's a peaceful protest it shows that our system works. And students should not be ostracized for taking part in the system.

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Postby Sremski okrug » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:47 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:My parents would support my political activism. The people marching on wall street are intelligent people with a mix of political opinions and age groups.

Nice stereotyping YGO. Why don't you listen to people with less offensive opinions.

Well, perhaps, or perhaps not, your parents might be wealthy enough to piss that money away.
I hope it gets you a good job.

I haven't seen a demographic on the age and political leanings of the protestors.
Did you think the news quote was offensive?


I already have one earning money for university.
The news quote was offensive.
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:48 am

My parents marched when they were that age. I'm actually disappointed I didn't find the time to join any big protests while I was at University.
Isn't the right to public protest a necessity in a Democracy? Do you only think people should be able to march when it's things you agree with?

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Postby Sremski okrug » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:49 am

Hippostania wrote:Their parents must be ashamed that their kids are bothering honest hard-working people like bums and criminals.


Of course you should be ashamed of your kids taking part in democratic protests....wait I thought you supported democracy?
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:51 am

Sremski okrug wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Their parents must be ashamed that their kids are bothering honest hard-working people like bums and criminals.


Of course you should be ashamed of your kids taking part in democratic protests....wait I thought you supported democracy?

Protests, yes
Riots that bother honest hardworking people and block traffic, no
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Postby Sremski okrug » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:51 am

Hippostania wrote:
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So because you can afford it everyone else can and universal healthcare is wrong? My parents can afford private medical insurance it does not mean that everyone else in the country can and I don't support universal healthcare.

Sure, support universal health care. But don't take money from those who don't want to support it.


so if you fell on hard times and could not afford healthcare at the clinic what would you do?
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Postby Sremski okrug » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:52 am

Hippostania wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
Of course you should be ashamed of your kids taking part in democratic protests....wait I thought you supported democracy?

Protests, yes
Riots that bother honest hardworking people and block traffic, no


These are peaceful protests not riots.
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The IMF and World Bank are terrorist organizations.
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:53 am

Sremski okrug wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Protests, yes
Riots that bother honest hardworking people and block traffic, no


These are peaceful protests not riots.

No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams bothering hard working bankers, stockbrokers and other people who work at Wall Street and harming businesses because normal people can't walk through the Lower Manhattan now because the entire area has been swarmed my greenpeace hippies and commies.
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:54 am

Sremski okrug wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Sure, support universal health care. But don't take money from those who don't want to support it.


so if you fell on hard times and could not afford healthcare at the clinic what would you do?

I try not to fall on hard times in the first place. I always have some money saved in case something like that would happen, and I generally try to avoid events like that.
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Postby Serrland » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:54 am

Hippostania wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
These are peaceful protests not riots.

No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams bothering hard working bankers, stockbrokers and other people who work at Wall Street and harming businesses because normal people can't walk through the Lower Manhattan now because the entire area has been swarmed my greenpeace hippies and commies.


Which is still peaceful and in no way a riot...
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:55 am

Hippostania wrote:greenpeace hippies

You...you just went into automode, didn't you?
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:56 am

Serrland wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams bothering hard working bankers, stockbrokers and other people who work at Wall Street and harming businesses because normal people can't walk through the Lower Manhattan now because the entire area has been swarmed my greenpeace hippies and commies.


Which is still peaceful and in no way a riot...

Nope, it's a full-scale riot. The NYPD should intervene and stop this nonsense.
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Postby Moral Libertarians » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:57 am

Hippostania wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
These are peaceful protests not riots.

No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams bothering hard working bankers, stockbrokers and other people who work at Wall Street and harming businesses because normal people can't walk through the Lower Manhattan now because the entire area has been swarmed my greenpeace hippies and commies.


Violating the property of others is of course wrong. But whether they are hippies, commies, or patriotic citizens shouldn't have any bearing on their ability to express their opinions.
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Postby Sremski okrug » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:57 am

Hippostania wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
These are peaceful protests not riots.

No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams bothering hard working bankers, stockbrokers and other people who work at Wall Street and harming businesses because normal people can't walk through the Lower Manhattan now because the entire area has been swarmed my greenpeace hippies and commies.


Nice stereotypes.
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The IMF and World Bank are terrorist organizations.
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Postby Sremski okrug » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:59 am

Hippostania wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Which is still peaceful and in no way a riot...

Nope, it's a full-scale riot. The NYPD should intervene and stop this nonsense.


I don't see how it is a riot. People holding signs and chanting is not a riot. You are just using idiotic stereotypes.
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"We're Tito. Tito is Ours"

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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
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The Irish are so politically apathetic that though we all complain, no one does anything.

We do love complaining, though. :)


That we do.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:03 am

Sremski okrug wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams bothering hard working bankers, stockbrokers and other people who work at Wall Street and harming businesses because normal people can't walk through the Lower Manhattan now because the entire area has been swarmed my greenpeace hippies and commies.


Nice stereotypes.

It's the theme of the thread. The OP starts off with "young skulls full of mush" who are being manipulated by "liberal professors," and the entire question of the demonstration is couched in the notion that they should all be in classes that their parents are apparently paying for.

This isn't about the actual protests. Hell, the article posted actually has shit all to do with the question posed. This is all about construct, not the real protest but about some hypothetical mass that the OP later admits he has no information on that makes up some constructed version of the protesters based on what are now 50 year old stereotypes of protesters with some Richard Nixon vintage prejudice. He's just being true to the thread. Not to reality, just the thread.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:04 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:What is going to be the majority reaction of parents seeing their kid on television, marching and not studying?

Learning to protest is a part of studying how to become a real citizen.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:06 am

Hippostania wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
These are peaceful protests not riots.

No they're not. They're blocking traffic and causing traffic jams


Then everyone who drives a car in NYC during the rush hours is a dangerous rioter. :D
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Postby Sane Outcasts » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:06 am

Hippostania wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Which is still peaceful and in no way a riot...

Nope, it's a full-scale riot. The NYPD should intervene and stop this nonsense.

Never seen a riot before, have you?

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Notice the lack of violence and looting in New York and the general lack of rioting overall, almost as though it were a protest, not a riot.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:14 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:Not the topic.

But a related question that can shed light on the topic and put it in perspective.

Fine, make your own topic about what kids think about their parents antics-actions.
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Postby Fanaglia » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:15 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Fanaglia wrote:We are the 99% that don't control almost 50% of this country's wealth. In the United States, Money = Power, ergo 1% of the population has almost half the power (arguably much more than that). That's what we're protesting, and that's what makes us part of the 99%.


So the only way you'll be appeased is for us to abolish money or give you more of it? Can I just say I'm super stoked that you guys waited till fall to do this and sincerely hope you make it into the bitter New York winter.


No, but taxing and regulating the banks and multinational corporations would be a nice start. Or the implementation of a "one person, one vote, one dollar" policy* when it comes to campaign donations. Or the removal of corporate personhood.

*Before someone goes "Ohhh, but one dollar per person!? Do you know how expensive a political campaign costs? ZOMG!" (because I know someone will), the "one dollar" part doesn't necessarily have to be "one dollar." It just needs to put a reasonable cap on campaign donations so that everyone has a chance for equal say. Maybe $1000. Just throwing that out there.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:16 am

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know. What did the the kids think when their parents were dangling tea bags from their hats and protesting what someone on the radio told them the health care reform was about?

Not the topic.

Surely (dis)respect for political ideologies go both ways?

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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:16 am

These kids remind me of Pinocchio,
where the kids runaway from home or school and left to their own they become jack-asses, good only for manual/slave labor.
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