Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Hippostania]

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Untrue. Laws in a democratic nation can be just as wrong as laws in a dictatorship, and when they are they should be resisted just as strongly.

So you're saying that DDoSing a website that thousands of people use to earn their living is right? It's an act of domestic terrorism, and those who are going to participate in it should spend the rest of their live in Guantanamo Bay!

[Arse Biscuits Yum]

Maybe the US has a secret weapon too. I think that announcing this publicly so far ahead of the attack date could be catastrophic for Anonymous. And Hippostania has a point. Would you go on a slash-and-burn rampage, destroying agricultural land and therefore people's livelihoods just because, for example, they charge too high a price for their corn?

[Arse Biscuits Yum]

I don't necessarily think Hippostania is absolutely right, however. I mean, I do think it's a bad idea for Anonymous to do this (why not pick, for example, the President's Twitter account?), but calling it terrorism is going a bit too far in my opinion.

[Andaluciae]

Untrue. Laws in a democratic nation can be just as wrong as laws in a dictatorship, and when they are they should be resisted just as strongly.

So you're saying that DDoSing a website that thousands of people use to earn their living is right? It's an act of domestic terrorism, and those who are going to participate in it should spend the rest of their live in Guantanamo Bay!

Socrates would also have something to say...

[Sremski okrug]

Untrue. Laws in a democratic nation can be just as wrong as laws in a dictatorship, and when they are they should be resisted just as strongly.

So you're saying that DDoSing a website that thousands of people use to earn their living is right? It's an act of domestic terrorism, and those who are going to participate in it should spend the rest of their live in Guantanamo Bay!

Terrorism? Guantanamo bay?

Cannot tell if serious or just joking.

[Sremski okrug]

Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Of course because democracies can do no wrong?

[Goddamnitstan]

Politicians need to act on behalf of the middle class-working poor NOW. If they don't disaster will strike, either in the form of cyber attacks or physical violence. I'm not advocating hacking/violent protests, but Wallstreet does have it coming to them for the way they have operated themselves for the past 30 years.

[Realisim]

This will be historic. As for being on the shit list- good luck to them. I welcome it. Like a dying behemoth flailing against the wind- the state will be powerless to stop us. The more they oppose us, the more publicity we will get. When they fall afoul of society's standards, they will start to look to us. The internet has armed itself- the people now have a totally anonymous front from which they can oppose the powers that be without getting pepper spray in the face.

Sure they will catch the odd noob- but on the whole anon is impossible to contain, to stamp out, to identify. We are the 99% We are the new evolution.

You are have been demoted to tea-party status...

[Hippostania]

Politicians need to act on behalf of the middle class-working poor NOW. If they don't disaster will strike, either in the form of cyber attacks or physical violence. I'm not advocating hacking/violent protests, but Wallstreet does have it coming to them for the way they have operated themselves for the past 30 years.

Helping the poor is not the government's duty. Awww boo-hoo, some poors are having a hard time. That's sad, but it doesn't mean the government has to start taxing the hell out of everyone and establishing socialist policies like universal healthcare and welfare.

[Forster Keys]

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Of course because democracies can do no wrong?

Friend, as soon as you realise that America can do no wrong, your life will be much easier.

[Forster Keys]

Politicians need to act on behalf of the middle class-working poor NOW. If they don't disaster will strike, either in the form of cyber attacks or physical violence. I'm not advocating hacking/violent protests, but Wallstreet does have it coming to them for the way they have operated themselves for the past 30 years.

Helping the poor is not the government's duty. Awww boo-hoo, some poors are having a hard time. That's sad, but it doesn't mean the government has to start taxing the hell out of everyone and establishing socialist policies like universal healthcare and welfare.

Are you making a deliberate effort to be offensive there? Or is it just coming out naturally?

[Sremski okrug]

Of course because democracies can do no wrong?

Friend, as soon as you realise that America can do no wrong, your life will be much easier.

[Sunny Marionette]

I don't know if they'll succeed, but I hope they do. If it does go down, though, it won't be for long.

[Sremski okrug]

Politicians need to act on behalf of the middle class-working poor NOW. If they don't disaster will strike, either in the form of cyber attacks or physical violence. I'm not advocating hacking/violent protests, but Wallstreet does have it coming to them for the way they have operated themselves for the past 30 years.

Helping the poor is not the government's duty. Awww boo-hoo, some poors are having a hard time. That's sad, but it doesn't mean the government has to start taxing the hell out of everyone and establishing socialist policies like universal healthcare and welfare.

Are you this dense on purpose? Their is a reason most civilized countries have policies like universal healthcare and welfare. Last time I checked France had a Right wing government in power.

[Hippostania]

Helping the poor is not the government's duty. Awww boo-hoo, some poors are having a hard time. That's sad, but it doesn't mean the government has to start taxing the hell out of everyone and establishing socialist policies like universal healthcare and welfare.

Are you making a deliberate effort to be offensive there? Or is it just coming out naturally?

It's coming out naturally. I just don't like it when someone claims that the government ''has to act on behalf of the poor people''. That is not the government's duty! You're responsible for yourself, you and you only. Nobody else isn't going to help you, especially not the government.

[Forster Keys]

Friend, as soon as you realise that America can do no wrong, your life will be much easier.

Don't worry. Just unplug yourself from that commie mind-machine and come to our next convention! We'll be serving pie!

[Hippostania]

Helping the poor is not the government's duty. Awww boo-hoo, some poors are having a hard time. That's sad, but it doesn't mean the government has to start taxing the hell out of everyone and establishing socialist policies like universal healthcare and welfare.

Are you this dense on purpose? Their is a reason most civilized countries have policies like universal healthcare and welfare. Last time I checked France had a Right wing government in power.

Well, the US doesn't have universal health care (thank god!) and they're doing just fine.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Helping the poor is not the government's duty. Awww boo-hoo, some poors are having a hard time. That's sad, but it doesn't mean the government has to start taxing the hell out of everyone and establishing socialist policies like universal healthcare and welfare.

Are you this dense on purpose? Their is a reason most civilized countries have policies like universal healthcare and welfare(1). Last time I checked France had a Right wing government in power (2).

1: Subjective. Who are you, or the Western World for that matter, to say what is civilized or not? Many people would catagorize government oppression and redistribution as uncivilized. It's a legitimate position to have on the issue. Deal with it.
2: Your point being?

As to Anonymous, this I do hope they get punished/caught for. Harassing other private religions and stuff is one thing, but trying to hack Wall Street because "Dey's a steeling Ur Moneys!!!*$#@!" is quite another.

[Forster Keys]

Are you making a deliberate effort to be offensive there? Or is it just coming out naturally?

It's coming out naturally. I just don't like it when someone claims that the government ''has to act on behalf of the poor people''. That is not the government's duty! You're responsible for yourself, you and you only. Nobody else isn't going to help you, especially not the government.

It was more the wording I was talking about. The ideology I also abhor, but I understand.

I prefer social inclusiveness, cooperation and mutual prosperity to social darwinism, extreme individualism and grinding poverty set alongside decadent opulence. But hey! I'm probably just one of those commie nutcases.

[Sremski okrug]

Are you this dense on purpose? Their is a reason most civilized countries have policies like universal healthcare and welfare. Last time I checked France had a Right wing government in power.

Well, the US doesn't have universal health care (thank god!) and they're doing just fine.

Millions of uninsured Americans, people dying from curable diseases because they cannot afford medical treatment. Even the advisor to Ron Pauls election campaign in 2008 died because he could not afford medical treatment.

How is that "fine". Compared to me who can walk into a hospital and receive treatment without worrying about how i'm going to afford it or if my insurance will cover it.

[Hippostania]

But hey! I'm probably just one of those commie nutcases.

Indeed you are my friend, indeed you are

[Forster Keys]

Are you this dense on purpose? Their is a reason most civilized countries have policies like universal healthcare and welfare. Last time I checked France had a Right wing government in power.

Well, the US doesn't have universal health care (thank god!) and they're doing just fine.

Well, Australia does have universal health care (thank god!) and we're doing just fine.

[Hippostania]

Well, the US doesn't have universal health care (thank god!) and they're doing just fine.

Millions of uninsured Americans, people dying from curable diseases because they cannot afford medical treatment. Even the advisor to Ron Pauls election campaign in 2008 died because he could not afford medical treatment.

How is that "fine". Compared to me who can walk into a hospital and receive treatment without worrying about how i'm going to afford it or if my insurance will cover it.

Because people who have no interest in you are forced to pay it. It's unethical to force someone to pay for your treatment, if some people want to pay for your treatment then fine. But don't force others to pay for it using taxation.

[Ifreann]

Are you making a deliberate effort to be offensive there? Or is it just coming out naturally?

It's coming out naturally. I just don't like it when someone claims that the government ''has to act on behalf of the poor people''. That is not the government's duty! You're responsible for yourself, you and you only. Nobody else isn't going to help you, especially not the government.

The government's duty is whatever the hell we say it is. Democracy is fun like that.

[Forster Keys]

But hey! I'm probably just one of those commie nutcases.

Indeed you are my friend, indeed you are

Wow, me and my fringe views about despising poverty. Should get my head examined.