Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

by **Steel and Fire** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:14 am

Behold how the mighty have fallen &c.

Seriously, when did Anonymous start doing political stuff instead of trolling for lulz? Or at least, this group of individuals laying claim to the Anonymous "name".

by **Wisconsin7** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:18 am

Go, my New York brothers! I am there with you in spirit! The great flames of capitalist corruption are destroying this nation, and finally, FINALLY, we are doing something to stop it! Let the Occupy Together movement spread across the United States from coast to coast and topple the corporate plutocracy!

by **Ovisterra** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:19 am

If I was in New York (or any other protesting city), I'd be protesting too. Well done to those who are standing up for what they believe in.

by **Zarkanians** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:22 am

Steel and Fire wrote:Behold how the mighty have fallen &c.

Seriously, when did Anonymous start doing political stuff instead of trolling for lulz? Or at least, this group of individuals laying claim to the Anonymous "name".

PSN or shortly before.

I used to admire them for taking on closed-minded groups like Westboro (Canadians are not cannibals you morons!), but this is totally ridiculous now.

I think this topic is dead, unless someone from Anonymous gets the... Uhm... I think the term an earlier poster used was "Balls and gaull" to come out here and face what the masses <I>really</I> think of them.

by **Ruridova** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:24 am

I don't care if it's for a good cause, hacking is illegal and if they want to protest they can occupy Wall Steet normally like everybody else. I mean, trolling just for lulz is okay to a point, but hacking.... that's too far.
Did I mention these guys hacked into the FOX News Twitter Account and said Obama had been assassinated? AND that they've already hacked into the websites for NPR, several government departments, and Brazil? If this is suddenly legal, I'm gonna go looking for Agent Smith. I don't see why these people are being hailed as heroes of freedom when all they do is break in like burglars into the websites of public organizations. Again.... if they wanna whine they can do it in the streets. They've done that and they were okay with it- I don't see why they need to fuck around with people's and organization's data and webpages.

by **Ovisterra** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:28 am

Ruridova wrote:I don't care if it's for a good cause, hacking is illegal and if they want to protest they can occupy Wall Steet normally like everybody else. I mean, trolling just for lulz is okay to a point, but hacking.... that's too far.
Did I mention these guys hacked into the FOX News Twitter Account and said Obama had been assassinated? AND that they've already hacked into the websites for NPR, several government departments, and Brazil? If this is suddenly legal, I'm gonna go looking for Agent Smith. I don't see why these people are being hailed as heroes of freedom when all they do is break in like burglars into the websites of public organizations. Again.... if they wanna whine they can do it in the streets. They've done that and they were okay with it- I don't see why they need to fuck around with people's and organization's data and webpages.

I quote the hacker's code, which is a good thing to live by even if you ain't a hacker.

"Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral."

It's true. The law isn't all-knowing. What if you're in Qatar? It's illegal to be gay there. What if you're in North Korea? It's illegal to oppose the government there.

Laws are written by people, and people are far from perfect.

by **AiliailiA** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:34 am

ZombieRothbard wrote:No, they aren't. I have studied the movement for a couple days now and all I see are greens and anarchists. Now the unions are out there supporting them. It really is just a bunch of damn commies.

Greens + Anarchists + Unionists = DAMN COMMIES!!!

I think you've been studying the movement a bit too hard. It seems to have addled your brain.

by **Hippostania** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:35 am

Ailiailia wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:No, they aren't. I have studied the movement for a couple days now and all I see are greens and anarchists. Now the unions are out there supporting them. It really is just a bunch of damn commies.

Greens + Anarchists + Unionists = DAMN COMMIES!!!

Well, that's pretty much it.

by **AiliailiA** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:37 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Greens + Anarchists + Unionists = DAMN COMMIES!!!

Well, that's pretty much it.

Really?

Greens =/= Commies
Anarchists =/= Commies
Unionists =/= Commies

By what alchemy do you put those three together and get a commie ?

by **Hippostania** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:43 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Well, that's pretty much it.

Really?

Greens =/= Commies
Anarchists =/= Commies
Unionists =/= Commies

By what alchemy do you put those three together and get a commie ?

I personally tend to call all leftists as ''commies''.
Doesn't mean that they're communists though.

by **Forster Keys** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:45 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Really?

Greens =/= Commies
Anarchists =/= Commies
Unionists =/= Commies

By what alchemy do you put those three together and get a commie ?

I personally tend to call all leftists as ''commies''.
Doesn't mean that they're communists though.

So really you're generalising by using a stupid perjorative that has little or no resemblence to actual facts.

You are such a fascist.

by **Quelesh** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:47 am

Ovisterra wrote:"Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral."

I agree with this completely. I have no moral problem whatsoever with DDoSing NYSE, or any of the other government/financial/corporate targets that have been hit recently.

When the law is not going to stand up for the people, the people must stand up for themselves.

by **Ovisterra** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:47 am

Forster Keys wrote:
Hippostania wrote:I personally tend to call all leftists as ''commies''.
Doesn't mean that they're communists though.

So really you're generalising by using a stupid perjorative that has little or no resemblence to actual facts.

You are such a fascist.

So NS is now Nazis, commies, and fence sitters?

Ok. If you insist....

by **Ovisterra** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:48 am

Quelesh wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:"Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral."

I agree with this completely. I have no moral problem whatsoever with DDoSing NYSE, or any of the other government/financial/corporate targets that have been hit recently.

When the law is not going to stand up for the people, the people must stand up for themselves.

True story. I ain't a hacker, but the hacker's code is a surprisingly good moral code.

by **Forster Keys** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:58 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:
So really you're generalising by using a stupid perjorative that has little or no resemblence to actual facts.

You are such a fascist.

So NS is now Nazis, commies, and fence sitters?

Ok. If you insist....

Just nazis, commies and apple pie-eating, bourbon drinking, John Wayne-talking Americans.

by **Caninope** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:01 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:I'm sure someone pointed this out already, but trade settlement doesn't work through an internet site. They can take all websites in the world down with DDoS attacks and Wall Street traders wouldn't even notice if it weren't for the web browser they had open on the second screen.

At some point the communication must go by TCP/IP surely?

Of course. But from what I understand, it's a closed network. As in Anon needs to have someone at the physical location to get in.

EDIT: Or have someone in a trading house them to access the network.

by **Greed and Death** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:10 am

Caninope wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
At some point the communication must go by TCP/IP surely?

Of course. But from what I understand, it's a closed network. As in Anon needs to have someone at the physical location to get in.

EDIT: Or have someone in a trading house them to access the network.

The thing is Shutting down the trading network would do little. The hole would be fixed and trading would resume where it left off. If however you hit the website publicly, while antsy traders could still leave the market they will. The antsy traders would be relatively small, however the computerized traders would automatically begin selling stock to hedge. Now, the rest of the market will see a stock sell off and will also begin dumping stock.

by **Hippostania** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:15 am

Ovisterra wrote:Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

by **Greed and Death** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:39 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Because Democracies never do anything bad. They never detain an entire ethnicity, or torture people on a remote Island in the Caribbean.

by **Ifreann** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:44 am

Nothing helps you stay out of prison like declaring you're planning to commit an act of terrorism.

by **Andaluciae** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:46 am

Their stated goal is to provoke an outsize response.

Trolls.

by **AiliailiA** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:59 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Commie terrorism *nod*

by **Ovisterra** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:12 am

greed and death wrote:
Hippostania wrote:This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Because Democracies never do anything bad. They never detain an entire ethnicity, or torture people on a remote Island in the Caribbean.

Only someone crazy would think that.

by **Yootwopia** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:14 am

They couldn't DDoS Amazon, I think the NYSE might be fine.

by **Quelesh** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:30 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral

This only applies to dictatorships.
US is a democratic and free country and DDoSing the websites of the New York City Stock Exchange, possibly one of the most important websites in the US and a very important part of the daily life of tens of thousands of people is nothing more than an act of terrorism.

Untrue. Laws in a democratic nation can be just as wrong as laws in a dictatorship, and when they are they should be resisted just as strongly.

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