Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Malgrave]

There was a deliberate Media blackout and you'd be a fool to think otherwise.

This sounds strange to me, because it was covered pretty closely in the UK, including by the BBC.

Journalists did have trouble getting to the area when the clear-out actually started and various press officers were threatened with arrest including some which were actually arrested.

[Yootwopia]

This sounds strange to me, because it was covered pretty closely in the UK, including by the BBC.

Journalists did have trouble getting to the area when the clear-out actually started and various press officers were threatened with arrest including some which were actually arrested.

That may be what you've heard, but it doesn't appear to have been the same for British journalists at the very least.

[Malgrave]

Journalists did have trouble getting to the area when the clear-out actually started and various press officers were threatened with arrest including some which were actually arrested.

That may be what you've heard, but it doesn't appear to have been the same for British journalists at the very least.

It was the case for the Guardian journalist I was following on twitter.

*kayne shrug*

[Yootwopia]

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"The media is against us" has been part of OWS's self-understanding from Day One.

Errr they haven't exactly been shy about talking to the British press and news crews without too much casual hatred...

[Lacadaemon]

Well you can't hold the city in contempt, since the city cannot defy a court order - so it'd be the mayor. But if you're right - does that mean that an official can just disobey a court order for a few hours, and get away with it?

The City can be held in contempt, just like it can be named in a lawsuit (or probably most likely the appropriate administrative division/agency). And yeah, if you ignore a court order that is subsequently lifted a few hours later, then yes, you do just get away with it usually. The purpose of civil contempt sanctions is to enforce the order; once the order goes away there's no need for them.

[Lelf]

Pathetic. Trying to shut down Wall Street for "months" is like trying to find a conservative Christian on NS.

I've seen a few. There rare creatures.

Such as myself

[Greed and Death]

Well you can't hold the city in contempt, since the city cannot defy a court order - so it'd be the mayor. But if you're right - does that mean that an official can just disobey a court order for a few hours, and get away with it?

The City can be held in contempt, just like it can be named in a lawsuit (or probably most likely the appropriate administrative division/agency). And yeah, if you ignore a court order that is subsequently lifted a few hours later, then yes, you do just get away with it usually. The purpose of civil contempt sanctions is to enforce the order; once the order goes away there's no need for them.

They weren't ignoring the order they were reading it to ensure compliance.

Also contempt can involve fines, which cities most certainly can pay.

[Genivaria]

I've seen a few. There rare creatures.

Such as myself

*BANG!* One less.

[Hippostania]

Such as myself

*BANG!* One less.

*BANG* One leftist less.

I actually quite funny that the OWS keeps claiming ''we are the 99%'' when in reality they are the 1%. Outside the liberal media and the leftist circles, they have barely any support.

[Zaras]

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*BANG* One leftist less.

I actually quite funny that the OWS keeps claiming ''we are the 99%'' when in reality they are the 1%. Outside the liberal media and the leftist circles, they have barely any support.

Yes, the OWS is made of people who make millions of dollars in income every year and have at least two country houses...

[GeneralHaNor]

*BANG!* One less.

*BANG* One leftist less.

I actually quite funny that the OWS keeps claiming ''we are the 99%'' when in reality they are the 1%. Outside the liberal media and the leftist circles, they have barely any support.

For the Last time "99% v 1%" is not about who believes or supports OWS message, it's about a very real and very provable class divide. If you don't make over a million dollars a year, you are part of the 99%, that can't be debated without ignoring all relevant economic data.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqqUdxMiVKs

What a bunch of filthy communists, huh?

Meanwhile, the videos of bloodied protesters and police abuse come flooding out. Seems the NYPD really cracked down today.

EDIT:
Livestreams are up on the OWS website. The crowds seem much less, err...Non-violent today. And larger.

[Greed and Death]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqqUdxMiVKs

What a bunch of filthy communists, huh?

Meanwhile, the videos of bloodied protesters and police abuse come flooding out. Seems the NYPD really cracked down today.

EDIT:
Livestreams are up on the OWS website. The crowds seem much less, err...Non-violent today. And larger.

Hey I am in that video I am famous.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Watching this stream, I have to agree with the guy that it seems kind of pointless to keep the protesters on the sidewalk if the police are blocking off the entire street in order to keep them on the sidewalks...

[Andaluciae]

Brave internet tough guy here.

Said the poster who boldly responded to an Anon announcement.

There was nothing bold about my response to "anon". They're toothless, directionless clutch, lacking the coherence to be even called a "movement." At least OWS has that going for them, they've got some sort of sense about what they're doing, even if I'm not convinced they're entirely certain of the why.

The city of New York ignored its own zoning and health codes for weeks out of a willingness to indulge and facilitate the protesters speech. They went above and beyond the call in indulging this camping trip as long as they did.

So if you don't pay your rent, I get to evict you with bulldozers, pepper spray, destroy some of your books, and only give you twenty minutes to pack? Gotcha.

If I threaten the general health and welfare of the community, the city most definitely will enforce an eviction on very short notice. Especially if I'm breaking the law in my illegally occupied apartment.

The KPD, Rosa Luxembourg and the other links-radikal howed the row for Hitler to sow.

Actually that was the Versailles Treaty, the poor enforcement of said treaty, and the Great Depression, but don't let facts get in the way of you blaming commies.

One of the key planks of the Nazi movement was a deep-seated anti-communism. That's exactly the reason the military, industrial and aristocratic elites of Germany turned to Hitler to form a coalition. They thought he could keep the KPD out of government, and that they could control him, easier than they could control, say, the SPD.

The internet is for porn, and it's a case study of self-selection. Those of us who are involved and concerned make up a tiny fraction of the population. The bulk of users float around on ebaumsworld, brazzers, deadspin and whatnot. The internet has made it easier to become disengaged, to replace actual activism with clicking a like button, or upvoting. The government doesn't need to restrict the internet. Look around. This is the Brave New World, Huxley, not Orwell, was right. Don't be ridiculous. You are you. You are alone. "Clicktivism" won't achieve anything.

Ok, this, I am going to take issue with. If someone is a member of an organization calling itself a "legion", then he can say "we are legion". Considering the responses that he's getting, he's very clearly not alone. Internet is for a lot more than porn, and NSG aren't a tiny fraction of the population, with the rest of e-browsers going for porn. Everything in the above paragraph that you "wrote" - although that is too nice a word for the quality - is your opinion, and in my opinion, your paragraph is cocky, arrogant and obnoxious bullshit. Youtube has more hits than Youporn, Xtube, and all of those sites combined. That's a fact. In terms of videos alone, the internet isn't even primarily for porn. Oh, and Internet made activism easier - because it enables the people to communicate with one another, without fear. And it just makes communication easier, and all voices are heard online.

Everything in the above paragraph that you "wrote" - although that is too nice a word for the quality - is your opinion, and in my opinion, your paragraph is cocky, arrogant and obnoxious bullshit. The vast bulk of posts on Youtube are a combination of music videos, videos of people's kids doing funny things, gossip television, movie trailers and whatnot else. So, if you're thinking that people are using the internet for much in the way of engagement, you're delusional. Only a small, select handful are.

The Internet is news. It is the Media Highway. It's how we get our info. It lets the people choose, and it freaks out people like you, for the same reason that RT does: they show everything, and let the people choose, and you feel too insecure for the people to choose, cause you think you're so damn elitist and right. It's obvious in your writing:

Those of us who are involved and concerned make up a tiny fraction of the population

Seriously - what the fuck? I don't know what sites you browse, but that's not my opinion at all. On NSG, even Hippostania is able to comprehend what he reads, well partially, but still. That can't be done without doing the reading. That can't be done by watching Porn. You aren't the only one concerned. A tiny fraction aren't the only ones concerned. I actually did a forum study, and found opposite results. Granted, that's just my opinion, based on a study that I've done, but yours is just an elitist opinion based on what you browsed. Finally:

You know what I mean. "The internet is for porn" is a reference to a flash video from the middle of the last decade. It's supposed to be a mildly comical term, symbolizing the fact that the vast bulk of internet content isn't the sort that's of a political nature--it's primarily entertainment content. That's why I referenced ebaumsworld, deadspin and the like.

Some people are going to use the internet as a tool towards greater involvement--but even more people, drastically more people use it for other things. We, here, at NSG, or in any forum with a political interest, self-select. We choose to be here, and we're not representative of the general internet using population. Most people use the internet to check sports scores, watch movies on netflix or hulu, get directions to a restaraunt, and of course, watch some porn.

The vast majority of those who do use it for engagement, though, use it to self-select information sources that reaffirm their pre-existing biases. They watch Young Turks, go to Glenn Beck, read Drudge Report...stuff that reinforces, rather than challenges, their pre-existing views.

"Clicktivism" won't achieve anything

Yeah, my experience in 2008 proved to be the exact opposite. We took on corporate and government media, and we won. Got Fox News to delete 40 million Google Hits, majorly embarrassed CNN, and forced the Kremlin to honestly report both sides of the Ossetian War. Today if someone says that Russia started the war, or that there were thousands of civilian casualties - we call those people crazy. Today the war is called the Ossetian War, not "Ebul Russia beat up Poor Georgia War". Today everyone can speak out about the war, in Russia, in Georgia, in America, everywhere. And be honest. And not be afraid of the government. And not be marginalized, or made to look like an idiot. The same wasn't true about Chechnya. So don't bullshit me about Internet Activism being hopeless, cause I KNOW that it's not true.

Preening, self-absorbed, over attribution. The Georgian War was widely covered by media in the West and in Russia, because there was the opportunity for Western media sources to be on the ground for, essentially, the duration of the conflict, and they were able to gain access to broad swaths of territory. That is not the case for Chechnya--it's because the old-school, traditional media were able to identify the facts, and correct them as events unfolded, that the changes in the narrative occurred.

Governments were forced to make changes, because the facts changed.

[Andaluciae]

*BANG* One leftist less.

I actually quite funny that the OWS keeps claiming ''we are the 99%'' when in reality they are the 1%. Outside the liberal media and the leftist circles, they have barely any support.

For the Last time "99% v 1%" is not about who believes or supports OWS message, it's about a very real and very provable class divide. If you don't make over a million dollars a year, you are part of the 99%, that can't be debated without ignoring all relevant economic data.

Not in my name. Don't claim to speak for me, when I never gave you even the slightest hint of permission to do so. The 99%/1% "divide" is imaginary. It's irrelevant. I could easily go with 88%/12%. Equally meaningless. What about the percentage of people who don't pay any taxes? I'm certainly not in the same boat as them, but I'm not in the same boat as people who pay very high tax rates.

[Underium]

So how's it going with the protests, other then the blatant murder committed in SLC. Which I still believe was a part of the government, or someone hired by them to give them a reason to kick us out.

[North Calaveras]

So how's it going with the protests, other then the blatant murder committed in SLC. Which I still believe was a part of the government, or someone hired by them to give them a reason to kick us out.

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

[New Conglomerate]

So how's it going with the protests, other then the blatant murder committed in SLC. Which I still believe was a part of the government, or someone hired by them to give them a reason to kick us out.

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

The Mayor of Oakland is trying to have it both ways by launching coordinated strikes on the encampments while claiming to support the movement.

Pelosi and Obama don't really have the authority to prevent local and state government from pulling shit.

[North Calaveras]

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

The Mayor of Oakland is trying to have it both ways by launching coordinated strikes on the encampments while claiming to support the movement.

Pelosi and Obama don't really have the authority to prevent local and state government from pulling shit.

I never claimed Pelosi and Obama to be pulling any kind of "shit" Just saying that they seemed to be leaning towards the OWS instead of against it.

[Underium]

So how's it going with the protests, other then the blatant murder committed in SLC. Which I still believe was a part of the government, or someone hired by them to give them a reason to kick us out.

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

Then why would they initiate a media blackout?

[North Calaveras]

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

Then why would they initiate a media blackout?

Who knows

[Underium]

Then why would they initiate a media blackout?

Who knows

Real question is, do we want to know?

If it's not the local government, and it's not the federal government, then who is it?

FBI, CIA, Corporations? Any answer is enough to scare me.

[Andaluciae]

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

Then why would they initiate a media blackout?

There's a very real difference between a "media blackout", and temporarily not allowing media into an area for operational reasons. Footage was still taken, reports were still made, interviews still done. Newscasters still talked about it.

[Greed and Death]

So how's it going with the protests, other then the blatant murder committed in SLC. Which I still believe was a part of the government, or someone hired by them to give them a reason to kick us out.

wierd most of the current government has supported these protests, why would they do that? Pelosi, Obama and even the Mayor of Oakland seemed like they supported these protests.

The police units are currently outside the control political bodies.