Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Natapoc]

The OWS protests are done. They had a good thing going for a while, and I sympathize with some of what they stand for, but they allowed a fringe of angry extremists and wierdos to become the face and voice of their movement, and although there were also some veterans, unemployed and others represented, they were drowned out by more raucous and radical elements. I didn't see any American flags on display, either. Why not? When you have a rally in a country as ideological as ours, you have to wrap yourself in the flag, if you want public support.
Sometimes, I wonder why you liberals allow us (the American right wing) to appropriate patriotic symbols, which rightfully belong to you as much as they do to us. Not that we don't appreciate it!
Anyway, these guys were more popular than the Tea Party, at one point, and they could have gone on to accomplish something, but I don't see that happening now. We're a media-driven culture, and OWS should have been more media-conscious- the mainstream media were generally sympathetic, as were many Democratic mayors and other political figures - and worked harder to portray themselves as ordinary Americans, but now they look like a bunch of dirty hippies and derelicts who are nothing like the average man in the street. They've lost their fight. A part of me is even sorry to see it. But, there you are.

The OWS protests are not at all done. There are encampments in over 1000 cities. 4 of those cities were cleared by first amendment defying cities acting outside the legal parameters.

This overreaction by the city will only lead to more people being sympathetic to the protests.

It shows how threatened the city is by the very idea of change that they must use an overwhelming police force to prevent first amendment activities.

So occupy just got lots of sympathy from many more people (including reporters who were brutalized by the police) and the city gets painted as an overreacting bully afraid of letting go of power.

The protesters will simply find another place to occupy. When they were talking about which place they should occupy, that particular park was not even the first choice. They went there as plan B.

While all the cops are defending that particular meaningless location, another location will be chosen and the other 1000+ encampments around the country will continue on.

[Natapoc]

They seem to be going for one last push on Thursday. Expect violence.

Yes expect violence. From the police, of course. Not the protesters http://veracitystew.com/2011/11/15/ows- ... d-by-nypd/

[Greater Tezdrian]

You... are happy... about possible police brutality.

Does... not... compute...

Tezzy's our local fascist.

Par for the course. Move along, nothing to see here.

Conc. Zaras-
Yes, yes I am.

Conc. the ever-equitable Allrule-
Your first statement is, I hope, correct. Your second statement doesn't pan out, I'm afraid. I'm slightly more extreme than other comrades I know; and several have even expressed sympathy in the movement. I don't generally believe the concept of police brutality is valid anyway.

[Neo Nibu]

The OWS protests are done. They had a good thing going for a while, and I sympathize with some of what they stand for, but they allowed a fringe of angry extremists and wierdos to become the face and voice of their movement, and although there were also some veterans, unemployed and others represented, they were drowned out by more raucous and radical elements. I didn't see any American flags on display, either. Why not? When you have a rally in a country as ideological as ours, you have to wrap yourself in the flag, if you want public support.
Sometimes, I wonder why you liberals allow us (the American right wing) to appropriate patriotic symbols, which rightfully belong to you as much as they do to us. Not that we don't appreciate it!
Anyway, these guys were more popular than the Tea Party, at one point, and they could have gone on to accomplish something, but I don't see that happening now. We're a media-driven culture, and OWS should have been more media-conscious- the mainstream media were generally sympathetic, as were many Democratic mayors and other political figures - and worked harder to portray themselves as ordinary Americans, but now they look like a bunch of dirty hippies and derelicts who are nothing like the average man in the street. They've lost their fight. A part of me is even sorry to see it. But, there you are.

The OWS protests are not at all done. There are encampments in over 1000 cities. 4 of those cities were cleared by first amendment defying cities acting outside the legal parameters.

This overreaction by the city will only lead to more people being sympathetic to the protests.

It shows how threatened the city is by the very idea of change that they must use an overwhelming police force to prevent first amendment activities.

So occupy just got lots of sympathy from many more people (including reporters who were brutalized by the police) and the city gets painted as an overreacting bully afraid of letting go of power.

The protesters will simply find another place to occupy. When they were talking about which place they should occupy, that particular park was not even the first choice. They went there as plan B.

While all the cops are defending that particular meaningless location, another location will be chosen and the other 1000+ encampments around the country will continue on.

(Kewl OWS song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... q3BYw4xjxE )

Yea the Occupy movement has if anything grown, the problem is our mainstream media is no longer covering the news. They like congress have been bought.

They have American flags waving.


They have soldiers who are opening there eyes to the truth.


The "crazies" you see in the media are the minority, it a very well organized diverse group of people.

If you want the truth about occupy wall street you need to look on the web, you need to go to youtube and see the videos of the movement first hand.

The media has been bought, so has congress, so is Obama, and if people don't wake up soon and see what's going on America will end up a police state.

I fear a storm is coming, and people should be getting prepared.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

The cynic in me says that the reason they have American flags is that they want a shot of a cop beating up a guy holding said flag. That's something the mainstream media would pick up and run with like a shot.

[Neo Nibu]

The cynic in me says that the reason they have American flags is that they want a shot of a cop beating up a guy holding said flag. That's something the mainstream media would pick up and run with like a shot.

They have American flags because they are the true patriots and heroes of our time.


btw did you mean an image like this?..


The media doesn't cover the movement at all. Don't believe the crap on the news, OWS isn't a bunch of crazies and hippies.

[Genivaria]

The cynic in me says that the reason they have American flags is that they want a shot of a cop beating up a guy holding said flag. That's something the mainstream media would pick up and run with like a shot.

I don't know what the cynic in me would say. It hasn't said much of anything since the optimist in me beat it to death a year ago.

[Greed and Death]

They seem to be going for one last push on Thursday. Expect violence.

Yes expect violence. From the police, of course. Not the protesters http://veracitystew.com/2011/11/15/ows- ... d-by-nypd/

I was leaving who would be responsible to the imginations of the reader.
I shall attend.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Saw this and couldn't help but think of OWS.

[New England and The Maritimes]

I wasn't expecting them to hold through winter anyway. Not the northern parts, at least. It's why I wish I had more time. If we can keep the protests in our warmer climates going, we'll be able to keep the momentum through to next year for our northern brothers to come back to it when it's safe.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

The fact that city officials are saying, according to various news reports, that the primary reason for the crackdown on the protesters is that city officials and businesses don't want homeless people in their cities, makes the crackdowns highly questionable.
Several Mayors were qouted as complaining mostly about the homeless recieving food or treatment at the protest sites. Regardless of concerns regarding sanitation or crime, the fact that the homeless are being mentioned as the main reason for the eviction of protestors makes the move a crackdown on the poor. This would be class warfare.

These protests have been and are being monitored by the government of the United States. US government officials are very much concerned with how the evictions are being carried out. For example, my office, my employer, wishes to express concern about the manner in which New York Mayor Bloomberg, flagrantly violated a court order then shopped around till he found judge to rule in his favor.

At the same time, we have legitimate concern about the crimes reportedly being committed in the encampments.

The first amendment does not include the right to camp out neither do mayors of American cities have a right to ignore lawful court orders.

Some of members of Congress have already called for a federal investigation into the matter which occurred this yesterday morning in New York. Everyone needs to calm down and back away from the battle lines. It would be unfortunate if local police departments were investigated and federalized for prejudicial or over zealous use of force against demonstrators, homeless or not. It would be equally unfortunate if federal forces had to be deployed into American cities to restore peace and calm.

I really didn't care about this crap but I was ordered to monitor it to the exclusion of near everything else. So for the last couple of weeks I've been monitoring it. Statements by both sides have given me cause for great concern and the reports to my superiors have stated as much.

I agree that a federal investigation may be warranted in certain instances such as Oakland and New York. Both sides are expected to abide by the laws of the land in which they reside. Contrary to the words of Michael Bloomberg, there is no just reason for government officials to go outside the law. Nor is it acceptable for protesters to break justified laws pertaining to time place and manner of protests on private property.

[Shofercia]

Say what you will about the old people playing dress up, they at least crossed the organizational divide. Occupy has to do that, and camping out isn't going to achieve that.

Camping out usually requires organizing, so by camping out and talking with each other, the protest might actually become more organized. Oh wait - that's what's been going on!

Further, the policy formulation process in a democracy is slow, and gathering the requisite support and activism takes time. That is the phase the movement needs to enter now. The exact same point goes for the below.

They've been doing just that. But since they actually want to represent all Americans, policy formation will take some time.

Supporting things the OWS wants (public healthcare and welfare, excessive taxation and other punishments for the rich) is unamerican and against the very basics of the US Constitution.

Why don't you actually read the US Constitution, before commenting on it. Like say the Preamble, i.e. the reason for the US Constitution's existence:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It's much easier to talk when someone wearing riot gear isn't chasing you. Besides - OWS already told the Government to re-enact Glass-Steagal, something most Americans support. If the Government can't even manage that, what's the point of telling you guys more coherent ideas?

They could try coming up with an idea that isn't as pointless as reintroducing a law that didn't prevent banking crises when it existed, doesn't prevent banks becoming too big to fail and wouldn't have stopped banks from making or investing in high risk mortgages.

They made suggestions. The government and mindless drones ignored said suggestions and went "lalalala, why don't you come up with proposals OWS, lalalalala". OWS proposed policy, like free university education - like Russia has, free healthcare - like Europe has, and numerous other proposals. The government hasn't done jack shit to implement said proposals.

Honestly, I know equality of outcome is harder to guarantee, so I usually just focus on equality of opportunity.

Fuck Bloomberg. Thankfully the NY Courts have just let the protesters back in Zuccotti Park. Bloomberg should resign/be kicked out of office ASAP, one of the WORST NYC mayors in the history of NYC.

Actually Bloomberg ignored the Court order, and stalled until he got one he liked. Way to show respect for the US Judicial System, Mike.

Fuck Bloomberg. Thankfully the NY Courts have just let the protesters back in Zuccotti Park. Bloomberg should resign/be kicked out of office ASAP, one of the WORST NYC mayors in the history of NYC.

It is only a temporary eviction, they were only removing it to do much needed cleaning.
OWS will be allowed to protest so long as they obey the rules.

They would have opened the park again already but there is a court order the City of new York needs delivered so they can read and comply with it.

Keep on believing that fairy tale. If I had to merely clean Zucotti Park, I'd divide the park into four quadrants, give the protesters a 20 hour notice, not 20 minute notice, and clean it up in quadrants, letting the protesters return to their quadrant once it was cleaned up. I wouldn't do it in the middle of the night, with bulldozers, riot police, a 10 to 20 minute notice, and forcing the protesters to have their bags checked the next day they try to enter the public space. NYPD was hoping to incite the protesters. They failed. Now the OWS will have more support than ever, and Bloomberg will go down in history as a moron.

Also, the claims that ''most Americans support the OWS'' are bullshit.

http://www.observer.com/2011/10/poll-ne ... n-economy/

A pretty interesting Quinnipiac poll is making the rounds today after they polled New Yorkers on the matter of the Financial District’s newest residents, and the Occupy Wall Street movement at large.

87 percent of New Yorkers are generally fine with the protesting of (or in the polling language “okay that they are protesting”) Wall Street throughout the city...Also fairly fascinating: across all political affiliations, a majority of those polled agreed with the general purview of Occupy Wall Street (81% of Democrats, 58% of Republicans and Independents). Furthermore, 61% against 33% of New Yorkers support the “Millionaire’s Tax,” and of the Republicans polled, 55% against 38% support it as well.

Erm, you were saying something?

Should occupying the private property of someone else be considered Free Speech ?

It's actually a privately owned public-space, and when you take ownership of a public space - you take on some of the risks involved in its management, in exchange for lower taxes.

[Seangoli]

The fact that city officials are saying, according to various news reports, that the primary reason for the crackdown on the protesters is that city officials and businesses don't want homeless people in their cities, makes the crackdowns highly questionable.
Several Mayors were qouted as complaining mostly about the homeless recieving food or treatment at the protest sites. Regardless of concerns regarding sanitation or crime, the fact that the homeless are being mentioned as the main reason for the eviction of protestors makes the move a crackdown on the poor. This would be class warfare.

Seriously? They have been saying that? You would think they would welcome these people in that sense, as it removes a high amount of burden that the city has(Or should have) on taking care of it's homeless. Of course, it wouldn't be the first time a city has covered its eyes in the "if I don't see it it doesn't exist" defense. Absolutely reprehensible in every sense of the word.

These protests have been and are being monitored by the government of the United States. US government officials are very much concerned with how the evictions are being carried out. For example, my office, my employer, wishes to express concern about the manner in which New York Mayor Bloomberg, flagrantly violated a court order then shopped around till he found judge to rule in his favor.

What sort of office do you work for, by chance? I understand if you don't want to discuss details. Just curious what general line of work you do. As for the second, what will happen to Bloomberg if shit hits the fan for him?

At the same time, we have legitimate concern about the crimes reportedly being committed in the encampments.

The first amendment does not include the right to camp out neither do mayors of American cities have a right to ignore lawful court orders.

Some of members of Congress have already called for a federal investigation into the matter which occurred this yesterday morning in New York. Everyone needs to calm down and back away from the battle lines. It would be unfortunate if local police departments were investigated and federalized for prejudicial or over zealous use of force against demonstrators, homeless or not. It would be equally unfortunate if federal forces had to be deployed into American cities to restore peace and calm.

Out of curiosity again, how serious are the expectations for what will happen? As in, what do they expect to be an outcome? Does it appear the federal government is going to take serious action in the matter, or is it up in the air at the moment?

I really didn't care about this crap but I was ordered to monitor it to the exclusion of near everything else. So for the last couple of weeks I've been monitoring it. Statements by both sides have given me cause for great concern and the reports to my superiors have stated as much.

I agree that a federal investigation may be warranted in certain instances such as Oakland and New York. Both sides are expected to abide by the laws of the land in which they reside. Contrary to the words of Michael Bloomberg, there is no just reason for government officials to go outside the law. Nor is it acceptable for protesters to break justified laws pertaining to time place and manner of protests on private property.

Both true.

[Shofercia]

More relevant to the overall topic, it's basically 100% disappointing to watch the US government act like fucking East Germany or something over this.

I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that. Good to know I'm not

Those working in the financial industry are not hard working men and women, they took money from high street operations to gamble on high risk investment operations. How is that respectful? Screwing over the working man while wrecking the economy is not respectful.

Seconded. Financial people aren't performing actual work for an income, they're just dicking with spreadsheets and tallies. At best they shift money around, but they produce nothing.

Thirded

More regulation

NO NO NO NO NO!
Why in the hell do the Democrats and leftists always want more regulations? More regulations, more laws, more limitations! Why would anyone want more regulations? We need less regulations, not more.

Spill baby, spill!

I generally support the movement. Just hope cooler heads prevail. Although hopefully they are weary of "agent provoceteurs".

By and large, the charge of "Agents provocateurs" seems like nothing more than displacement, identity defense, and scapegoating. To somehow disbelieve that there might be people aligned with a movement, who are perfectly capable of doing bad things just seems silly.

To somehow disbelieve that there are certain interests wishing to sabotage the protesters, and use Agents Provocateurs to do so, is equally silly. To say that we shouldn't stereotype the majority, by the actions of a few, who might have been Agents Provocateurs, would be the sensible thing to do.

The NY Lawyers Guild received a court order that states that the City of New York may NOT enforce park rules on the protesters, because it hampers their First Amendment Rights to peaceful protest.

"New York, NY: At around 6 AM on November 15, 2011, attorneys associated with the New York City Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild working as the Liberty Park Legal Working Group obtained a restraining order against the City of New York, various City agencies, and Brookfield properties directing that occupiers be allowed back on the premises with their belongings."

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The cities are acting illegally. Any law prohibiting the right of the people to peacefully assemble, to engage in political speech, especially for the purpouses of petitioning the government for a redress of greivences is an illegal law.

Although I have no faith in the current ultra conservative supreme court to make such a judgement. Our current supreme court leans more fascist then libertarian.

Again the people are peacefully assembling and thus are protected.
The people are engaging in protected political speech.

Anyone who tries to deny them of these constitutional rights is committing a crime.

And I heard somewhere that the Constitution Trumps city ordinances. I think that was elementary school. Did Bloomberg not get the memo?

The Zucotti Park kitchen staff certainly went on strike because of freeloaders a couple of weeks ago. Homeless and drug addicts who came of their own volition for the good food and free weed.

Got a source that the kitchen was serving weed?

They seem to be going for one last push on Thursday. Expect violence.

Yes expect violence. From the police, of course. Not the protesters http://veracitystew.com/2011/11/15/ows- ... d-by-nypd/

From the cops. Get your camera ready.

Meanwhile LA's mayor shows how to properly evict the protesters, the idiot in New York might want to take notes.

Dialogue with the protesters, instantly looking for an alternate location, doing it during the day, not challenging the first amendment, not even activating the sprinklers to boot them off.

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2011/11/o ... plan-works

The shutdown or move in Los Angeles is expected to be far more peaceful than actions taken to close Occupy camps elsewhere in the country.

And they're still working out the details. No rush.

An LAPD spokeswoman told Neon Tommy that though no formal sit-down was scheduled between Beck and Occupy members, LAPD representatives remain in continuous discussions with members in the encampment. The parties have been unsuccessful thus far in finding a new spot for the tents to rest.

[Forster Keys]

More relevant to the overall topic, it's basically 100% disappointing to watch the US government act like fucking East Germany or something over this.

I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that. Good to know I'm not

And we all know what happened to East Germany in the end. :s

[Shofercia]

I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that. Good to know I'm not

And we all know what happened to East Germany in the end. :s

I heard that they had this one really huge party, and that the partiers were so bad-ass, that they accidentally destroyed the wall bearing the city's namesake

[Forster Keys]

And we all know what happened to East Germany in the end. :s

I heard that they had this one really huge party, and that the partiers were so bad-ass, that they accidentally destroyed the wall bearing the city's namesake

And the government said "They're ain't no party like the Communist Party"

And the people were like "STFU, Challenge accepted!"

Then BAM! There was unification!

[Seangoli]

Keep on believing that fairy tale. If I had to merely clean Zucotti Park, I'd divide the park into four quadrants, give the protesters a 20 hour notice, not 20 minute notice, and clean it up in quadrants, letting the protesters return to their quadrant once it was cleaned up. I wouldn't do it in the middle of the night, with bulldozers, riot police, a 10 to 20 minute notice, and forcing the protesters to have their bags checked the next day they try to enter the public space. NYPD was hoping to incite the protesters. They failed. Now the OWS will have more support than ever, and Bloomberg will go down in history as a moron.

The park is privately owned and operated but open to the public. It is very different than public space. Just clearing that part up, no real arguments against your position tho.

[Dark Side Messiahs]

All right, I know I'm gonna sound like a wacko but I don't care.

With the way things are these days I feel that this movement needs to go beyond Wall Street, if the global Governments cant fix the problems we, as the peoples of these nations, pay them to fix than we must Occupy the Government. We must demand the immediate resignation of every politician that has swore an oath to uphold the will of the people and has so far done nothing but drive most of us into the poor house while spending our tax money on bailing out large companies who practice poor business dealings and financing too many wars that need ending now. We must remove all current politicians from office and start over, retire them all and let new blood, willing to compromise with each other and make decisions that will help us all save the nation we call home. The rights of the people are being trampled and we as true patriots of our respected countries must stand and let our voices be heard, we face rampant unemployment and declining economies throughout the world with no end in sight thanks to the dumb-asses currently in charge, they cant agree on anything except on to bicker anyway and we should be tired of it.

It doesn't take a genius to see that those in office are too long in the tooth and need to be removed, they cant make the decisions and compromises needed to make an effective government because all they really care about is the next election. The welfare and the will of the people are supposed to be the true charges of the Government, not how big their campaign contribution fund is. Start taking care of the people and we don't get pissed; if we get pissed, you're screwed, Lord have mercy.

[Zaras]

They can't make the decisions and compromises needed to make an effective government because all they really care about is the next election.

And also because Mitch McConnell declared that the Republicans' priority would be making sure Obama is a "one-term president". Because that's a sign you're willing to make compromises.

[Neu Leonstein]

*sighs* another banker commenting on the OWS. As if we need more people getting the facts wrong:

I was actually aware of the first attempt, and had phrased my post with it in mind. Afterall, the request for police assistance was withdrawn. This time it wasn't, end of story. The idea that this is somehow the oppression of a protest is ridiculous, since all sides have said they're happy for the protests to continue. Just not the camping.

[Zaras]

*sighs* another banker commenting on the OWS. As if we need more people getting the facts wrong:

I was actually aware of the first attempt, and had phrased my post with it in mind. Afterall, the request for police assistance was withdrawn. This time it wasn't, end of story. The idea that this is somehow the oppression of a protest is ridiculous, since all sides have said they're happy for the protests to continue. Just not the camping.

You could get cynical and suggest that means they're happy to have protests as long as they don't have to pay attention to them...

[Neu Leonstein]

You could get cynical and suggest that means they're happy to have protests as long as they don't have to pay attention to them...

You could.

But the same thing basically happened to Occupy Sydney, which I know a lot about because I walked past them around four times a day for two weeks, and they were basically protesting against me. NSW has some laws that restrict camping to designated campign sites, and the middle of the CBD happened not to be such a site. When the Occupy crowd first arrived, they had applied for a public protest for a Saturday afternoon, which was well attended, and then proceeded to set up camps. The cops initially tried to stop them, but since they had no orders from above they backed off and walked away.

Two weeks of off-again, on-again negotiations followed, in which the crowd was repeatedly asked to stop camping. They could protest as long as they wanted (even though their application had only covered one afternoon). Eventually the police had enough and moved in at night, removing everyone from the premises and arrested a couple of people. Basically the same thing as now in NY.

They came back a few days later, as did the cops watching them. They go home at night now, but they're still there every morning doing yoga and whatever else it is you do to protest capitalism. Do they look even less convincing than before? Well, yes. But I can't say that they have a leg to stand one regarding the cops in this case. The right to protest, and even the right to assemble, does not include camping anywhere you want. Especially if, as was apparently the case in NY and was not the case in Sydney, people are using various stoves and other things that one could reasonably consider a safety hazard in such a crowded space. As in Sydney, presumably the protesters could even be allowed to stay overnight, provided they don't set up a permanent encampment. The same rules as those applying to homeless people would apply here, I'd guess (although I'm not familiar with those rules around Zucotti Park).

[Zaras]

You could get cynical and suggest that means they're happy to have protests as long as they don't have to pay attention to them...

You could.

But the same thing basically happened to Occupy Sydney, which I know a lot about because I walked past them around four times a day for two weeks, and they were basically protesting against me. NSW has some laws that restrict camping to designated campign sites, and the middle of the CBD happened not to be such a site. When the Occupy crowd first arrived, they had applied for a public protest for a Saturday afternoon, which was well attended, and then proceeded to set up camps. The cops initially tried to stop them, but since they had no orders from above they backed off and walked away.

Two weeks of off-again, on-again negotiations followed, in which the crowd was repeatedly asked to stop camping. They could protest as long as they wanted (even though their application had only covered one afternoon). Eventually the police had enough and moved in at night, removing everyone from the premises and arrested a couple of people. Basically the same thing as now in NY.

They came back a few days later, as did the cops watching them. They go home at night now, but they're still there every morning doing yoga and whatever else it is you do to protest capitalism. Do they look even less convincing than before? Well, yes. But I can't say that they have a leg to stand one regarding the cops in this case. The right to protest, and even the right to assemble, does not include camping anywhere you want. Especially if, as was apparently the case in NY and was not the case in Sydney, people are using various stoves and other things that one could reasonably consider a safety hazard in such a crowded space. As in Sydney, presumably the protesters could even be allowed to stay overnight, provided they don't set up a permanent encampment. The same rules as those applying to homeless people would apply here, I'd guess (although I'm not familiar with those rules around Zucotti Park).

Maybe they coulda gone for vigils instead of camping?

[GeneralHaNor]

I generally support the movement. Just hope cooler heads prevail. Although hopefully they are weary of "agent provoceteurs".

By and large, the charge of "Agents provocateurs" seems like nothing more than displacement, identity defense, and scapegoating. To somehow disbelieve that there might be people aligned with a movement, who are perfectly capable of doing bad things just seems silly.

Frankly my Problem with OWS, is that they aren't angry enough.

The system has failed them, and has proven itself to be broken, why are they "Negotiating"?
I wouldn't.