Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Zaras]

Fuck Bloomberg. Thankfully the NY Courts have just let the protesters back in Zuccotti Park. Bloomberg should resign/be kicked out of office ASAP, one of the WORST NYC mayors in the history of NYC.

And to think I thought it could only get better after Giuliani...

[Zaras]

You seem to think that it is justified for the government to steal people's wealth and redistribute it. Government has no right to do that. And that's what America was founded on, freedom from government opression.

Explain the large taxation rates and general prosperity of 1945-1973 in the USA and Western Europe then.

[Zaras]

There is only one nation in the world where one may be free, where one may fail and succeed based on their own merits and where one may enjoy the fruits of one's labor without government's interference.

Tried telling that to people from Cabrini-Green? Bedford-Stuyvesant? South Central LA? East St. Louis?

[Hippostania]

Fuck Bloomberg. Thankfully the NY Courts have just let the protesters back in Zuccotti Park. Bloomberg should resign/be kicked out of office ASAP, one of the WORST NYC mayors in the history of NYC.

Fuck OWS. Thankfully the NYPD just kicked the protestors out of Zucotti Park. Protestors should be kicked out/imprisoned ASAP, OWS is one of the worst protests in the history of the world.

You seem to think that it is justified for the government to steal people's wealth and redistribute it. Government has no right to do that. And that's what America was founded on, freedom from government opression.

Explain the large taxation rates and general prosperity of 1945-1973 in the USA and Western Europe then.

Who cares? Those peopel didn't earn that prosperity, they got it from state-sponsored stealing which is immoral.

There is only one nation in the world where one may be free, where one may fail and succeed based on their own merits and where one may enjoy the fruits of one's labor without government's interference.

Tried telling that to people from Cabrini-Green? Bedford-Stuyvesant? South Central LA? East St. Louis?

Not really, people there could easily get a job if they just tried to get one. Or they could start their own company. They can only blame themselves for failing in life, not the government, not the corporations, only themselves.

[Zaras]

So, your entire stance towards poor/disadvantaged people is basically "Fuck you worthless bastards, you deserve it! Why haven't you serfs got a job already?"

[Voerdeland]

Who cares? Those peopel didn't earn that prosperity, they got it from state-sponsored stealing which is immoral.

You mean the bankers?

[Greed and Death]

Fuck Bloomberg. Thankfully the NY Courts have just let the protesters back in Zuccotti Park. Bloomberg should resign/be kicked out of office ASAP, one of the WORST NYC mayors in the history of NYC.

It is only a temporary eviction, they were only removing it to do much needed cleaning.
OWS will be allowed to protest so long as they obey the rules.

They would have opened the park again already but there is a court order the City of new York needs delivered so they can read and comply with it.

[Hippostania]

Who cares? Those peopel didn't earn that prosperity, they got it from state-sponsored stealing which is immoral.

You mean the bankers?

No, I mean the lazy bastards living on welfare. Bankers are respectable, hard working men and women who have worked hard to achieve their current position. I respect them greatly, unlike these whiny OWS protestors.

So, your entire stance towards poor/disadvantaged people is basically "Fuck you worthless bastards, you deserve it! Why haven't you serfs got a job already?"

My stance on them is neutral. However, the moment they start lobbying the government to steal money from the rich my opinion on them turns negative. Which has already happened.

[Andaluciae]

This is the technology adoption lifecycle.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ecycle.png

Not couched in the terminology of political movements, but I think the concept is relevant to OWS. We are looking at the movement as being one that has reached the crisis at the chasm, and it's up to the movement to figure put a way to cross the chasm. My instinct is that they need to make some changes to the structure of the movement. Strip out the ambiguity and provide a stronger, more cohesive and coherent framework that's going to provide an actual programme--and not just a series of collections of ideas from various different individuals and groups associated with the movement.

[Zaras]

So, your entire stance towards poor/disadvantaged people is basically "Fuck you worthless bastards, you deserve it! Why haven't you serfs got a job already?"

My stance on them is neutral. However, the moment they start lobbying the government to steal money from the rich my opinion on them turns negative. Which has already happened.

So that kind of anger is restricted for just OWS and similar. Gotcha. Feel free to file me under "bleeding heart socialist".

[Andaluciae]

Is say that the counter-culture is a case study in a failure to cross the chasm, actually. They were going up against New Deal Liberalism, by and large, which was in the late majority adoption phase, and just couldn't win the converts--although they helped scotch liberalism so utterly, that the next several decades were Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush. (Carter was a fluke, a response to the Nixon pardon).

Right now, the Tea Party could scotch conservatism for decades, and I've been suspecting that they're in the process of doing so. It would be so odd, though, if an OWS movement were to prove capable of scotching liberalism at the exact same time.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

"Unfortunately, the park was becoming a place where people came not to protest, but rather to break laws, and in some cases, to harm others," Mr Bloomberg said.

"The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out - but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others."

Bloomberg is a silly person.

This is an interesting view into the mindset of some people, though. Apparently city sanitation codes > The first amendment.

[Dark Side Messiahs]

You really have no clue about what is going on do you? The People want the rich to pay their fair share of taxes and not get special treatment because they are rich; that is but a small, small part of the the whole issue and I'm too tired to try an lay it out for you.

Btw, I'm Republican

Thank you! I'm tired of these allegations that the OWS is just liberal. It's Universal.

You're welcome

[Hippostania]

"Unfortunately, the park was becoming a place where people came not to protest, but rather to break laws, and in some cases, to harm others," Mr Bloomberg said.

"The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out - but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others."

Bloomberg is a silly person.

This is an interesting view into the mindset of some people, though. Apparently city sanitation codes > The first amendment.

Bloomberg is an intelligent person. These people do not obey the police, they break laws and then whine about the first amendment. In my opinion, we shouldn't let any of these people anywhere near Zucotti Park ever again. We should just kick them out of Manhattan. They have achieved nothing but pain and suffering to ordinary Americans.

Also, the claims that ''most Americans support the OWS'' are bullshit. For example, look at the comments in this article. There are barely any pro-OWS comments there. Same with dozens of other news articles. The liberal media is once again trying to lie to the American people, but real Americans know that only a very small, loud and angry minority actually supports the OWS.

[Allrule]

Bloomberg is a silly person.

This is an interesting view into the mindset of some people, though. Apparently city sanitation codes > The first amendment.

Bloomberg is an intelligent person. These people do not obey the police, they break laws and then whine about the first amendment. In my opinion, we shouldn't let any of these people anywhere near Zucotti Park ever again. We should just kick them out of Manhattan. They have achieved nothing but pain and suffering to ordinary Americans.

Also, the claims that ''most Americans support the OWS'' are bullshit. For example, look at the comments in this article. There are barely any pro-OWS comments there. Same with dozens of other news articles. The liberal media is once again trying to lie to the American people, but real Americans know that only a very small, loud and angry minority actually supports the OWS.

At this point you're sounding like a caricature of the American right-wing. "REAL AMMURIKANZ!1^TM", "EBUL LIBRUL MEDIA^TM!" "LAZY BASTURD WELFUR LECHERS!!!1^TM" "HIPPEZ!^TM" and a bunch of other shit I'm not going to mention all wrapped up in a crazy bun.

[Hippostania]

Bloomberg is an intelligent person. These people do not obey the police, they break laws and then whine about the first amendment. In my opinion, we shouldn't let any of these people anywhere near Zucotti Park ever again. We should just kick them out of Manhattan. They have achieved nothing but pain and suffering to ordinary Americans.

Also, the claims that ''most Americans support the OWS'' are bullshit. For example, look at the comments in this article. There are barely any pro-OWS comments there. Same with dozens of other news articles. The liberal media is once again trying to lie to the American people, but real Americans know that only a very small, loud and angry minority actually supports the OWS.

At this point you're sounding like a caricature of the American right-wing. "REAL AMMURIKANZ!1^TM", "EBUL LIBRUL MEDIA^TM!" "LAZY BASTURD WELFUR LECHERS!!!1^TM" "HIPPEZ!^TM" and a bunch of other shit I'm not going to mention all wrapped up in a crazy bun.

You are not addressing any of the concerns I made in that post. I can assume that you can't address them because they are entirely correct

[Allrule]

At this point you're sounding like a caricature of the American right-wing. "REAL AMMURIKANZ!1^TM", "EBUL LIBRUL MEDIA^TM!" "LAZY BASTURD WELFUR LECHERS!!!1^TM" "HIPPEZ!^TM" and a bunch of other shit I'm not going to mention all wrapped up in a crazy bun.

You are not addressing any of the concerns I made in that post. I can assume that you can't address them because they are entirely correct

And a nice degree of smug asshattery too.

I could try to address your points, but then you'd just ramble off about how I was an evil anti-American Freedom-Hating hippie.

[Faberry States]

Fuck OWS. Thankfully the NYPD just kicked the protestors out of Zucotti Park. Protestors should be kicked out/imprisoned ASAP, OWS is one of the worst protests in the history of the world.

So you think that peaceful protesters demonstrating their constitutional rights of free speech should be arrested because you disagree with the goals of the people protesting? How authoritarian of you.

[Greed and Death]

You seem to think that it is justified for the government to steal people's wealth and redistribute it. Government has no right to do that. And that's what America was founded on, freedom from government opression.

Explain the large taxation rates and general prosperity of 1945-1973 in the USA and Western Europe then.

In the US it is simple we were the only functional large economy after WWII in the 1950's, In the 1960's we established the Breton Woods Trading/Currency regime.
This times much more closely with said decline, as we ended Breton woods in early 70's, we did not significantly cut taxes until the early to mid 1980's. Your proposed reasoning require ignoring an entire decade of Data.

Furthermore, why is it the US post higher growth rates than Europe (since the 1980's). If it is as you say higher taxes = better Economy Europe with its significantly higher tax rates should out perform the US not the other way around. As such your proposed solution ignores contemporaneous reality as well.

[Greed and Death]

"Unfortunately, the park was becoming a place where people came not to protest, but rather to break laws, and in some cases, to harm others," Mr Bloomberg said.

"The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out - but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others."

Bloomberg is a silly person.

This is an interesting view into the mindset of some people, though. Apparently city sanitation codes > The first amendment.

Not just Sanitation also public safety. the park was becoming over crowded. Also should occupying the private property of someone else be considered Free Speech ?

For instance can me and 20 people set up camp in your front lawn to protest Korean immigration policies ?

[Magnum Ultra]

lol thats impossible

[Neutraligon]

At this point you're sounding like a caricature of the American right-wing. "REAL AMMURIKANZ!1^TM", "EBUL LIBRUL MEDIA^TM!" "LAZY BASTURD WELFUR LECHERS!!!1^TM" "HIPPEZ!^TM" and a bunch of other shit I'm not going to mention all wrapped up in a crazy bun.

You are not addressing any of the concerns I made in that post. I can assume that you can't address them because they are entirely correct

First of all, even if they were/are a minority, they do have the right to protest. Even if there were only 40 of them they are ordinary Americans. As for having people fail and succeed based on there own merits, People need to be given the chance in order to succeed. I think welfare and the uch needs to be highly controlled, but I think the government does play a role in protecting and aiding its citizens.

[Magnum Ultra]

and pathetic

[Allrule]

Fuck OWS. Thankfully the NYPD just kicked the protestors out of Zucotti Park. Protestors should be kicked out/imprisoned ASAP, OWS is one of the worst protests in the history of the world.

So you think that peaceful protesters demonstrating their constitutional rights of free speech should be arrested because you disagree with the goals of the people protesting? How authoritarian of you.

You're probably the fiftieth person to say this.

Every time he's responded with something that amounts to "well they don't like the rich, therefore they OBVIOUSLY want a commie rebellion, so they can be arrested."

[Hippostania]

You are not addressing any of the concerns I made in that post. I can assume that you can't address them because they are entirely correct

And a nice degree of smug asshattery too.

I could try to address your points, but then you'd just ramble off about how I was an evil anti-American Freedom-Hating hippie.

You could try, since by not responding you prove that you do not have any legit arguments.