Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Distruzio]

I'm beginning to fear that the media has managed to successfully paint the movement as violent (and other stereotypes) despite violence being against the fundamental principles of the movement.

Don't be. Other than FOX News, mainstream media usually run the gamut from cautious support of wholehearted embrace of the movement, on opinion pieces.

I was speaking with a protestor and he said the media was ignoring the movement. Which is strange, b/c it is still all over the fucking television on CNN whenever I go in the breakroom at work.

/doesnotwatchtelevision

[New England and The Maritimes]

Don't be. Other than FOX News, mainstream media usually run the gamut from cautious support of wholehearted embrace of the movement, on opinion pieces.

I was speaking with a protestor and he said the media was ignoring the movement. Which is strange, b/c it is still all over the fucking television on CNN whenever I go in the breakroom at work.

/doesnotwatchtelevision

I'm not sure. I haven't seen much coverage of anything but the wall street chapter. Even when local news runs pieces on things we've done, they've ignored who we are.

[Malgrave]

Don't be. Other than FOX News, mainstream media usually run the gamut from cautious support of wholehearted embrace of the movement, on opinion pieces.

I was speaking with a protestor and he said the media was ignoring the movement. Which is strange, b/c it is still all over the fucking television on CNN whenever I go in the breakroom at work.

/doesnotwatchtelevision

They're not reporting the movement fairly and they seem to underrate the size of the movement. Occupy Oakland managed to stop the port and had around 50,000 supports whilst the media said only around 3,000=5,000 people turned up.

[Juristonia]

Not to mention that they were at it for a few weeks already before any major news outlet said a word about it.

[New Conglomerate]

I was speaking with a protestor and he said the media was ignoring the movement. Which is strange, b/c it is still all over the fucking television on CNN whenever I go in the breakroom at work.

/doesnotwatchtelevision

I'm not sure. I haven't seen much coverage of anything but the wall street chapter. Even when local news runs pieces on things we've done, they've ignored who we are.

They cover Oakland and Portland occaisionally. It's just that there is limited time to cover the entire movement, so they can only cover it when something exciting happens.

[New Conglomerate]

Not to mention that they were at it for a few weeks already before any major news outlet said a word about it.

It didn't get big until they started getting the shit kicked out of them and arrested on bridges.

[The Lone Alliance]

I'm not sure. I haven't seen much coverage of anything but the wall street chapter. Even when local news runs pieces on things we've done, they've ignored who we are.

They cover Oakland and Portland occaisionally. It's just that there is limited time to cover the entire movement, so they can only cover it when something exciting happens.

Or when it looks like there's going to be violence, which is why they're covering the Portland one, they know an eviction is coming and they know there are anarchists in the group.

They want to film a riot.

[New Conglomerate]

They cover Oakland and Portland occaisionally. It's just that there is limited time to cover the entire movement, so they can only cover it when something exciting happens.

Or when it looks like there's going to be violence, which is why they're covering the Portland one, they know an eviction is coming and they know there are anarchists in the group.

They want to film a riot.

Or they want to film a police riot, like the one that made Occupy Oakland take off.

[Shofercia]

In fact I do. And I would gladly see all the world’s governments pay ten times that amount to place a man on mars within the next decade or two. Not in the name of any particular nation, but in the name of all of mankind.

Robot-exploration will only get us so far. It’s been an aide during these first tentative explorations of space and for the conceivable future it will probably be the only way of exploring the outer reaches of the solar system. But to truly move forward we need to get back into space, to the moon, to mars, and then beyond. Regardless of cost, regardless of sacrifice... That’s that way we must go. The sooner, the better...

That's the whole point. There's not enough motivation to go back to the moon or to put a man of Mars, compared to the resources it would take. Last I checked, the US doesn't even have enough money to meet its current obligations, never mind some half assed trip to other planets 'because it sounds interesting'. Given a choice between adequate health coverage, a decent education system, solvent social security or a man on Mars, which do you suppose people would prioritise?

Military Industrial Complex, Reconstruction Contracts and Corporate Welfare.

I'm beginning to fear that the media has managed to successfully paint the movement as violent (and other stereotypes) despite violence being against the fundamental principles of the movement.

I fear the media has created what may be the beginning of the end of the movement. Which is sad because the occupy movement is really just people getting together and using direct democracy to decide what they should do to get the type of change they vote they wish to have.

Visit your local occupy movement and attend a GA. It's rare something like this happens in the united states. If the media has indeed managed to initiate the ultimate destruction of the movement with their iron curtain style propaganda then you will regret having missed something unique and special, if at times frustrating.

On a more fun note, occupy denver has elected a Dog as it's leader in response to media criticism about how the movement is not led by a dictator Leader.

Great post Nata, WB

And don't worry about the media. We had the 90% of the corporate media against in the aftermath of the Ossetian War - and we still managed to kick their ass. Don't let Corporate/Government Media get ya down. Chin up! Give us more Info about the OWS!


And, damn, sorry New Orleans guy, I forgot your name, but your posts are really cool - how's NOLA doing? See, I remember NOLA, remember you talking about how Mayor Landrieu met with NOLA, but I don't remember you're name, I'm bad

And I don't actually recall seeing an incident like the one in the video of the Tea Party. I mean, roadblocking people with kids in the back and shouting stuff at them is not really cool.

The Tea Party was astro-turfed. OWS is genuine. And there are going to be Agents Provacateurs deliberately making the OWS look bad, whereas few really care about an astro-turfed movement whose slogan is "we no like taxes, we no pay".

[Neu Leonstein]

The Tea Party was astro-turfed. OWS is genuine. And there are going to be Agents Provacateurs deliberately making the OWS look bad, whereas few really care about an astro-turfed movement whose slogan is "we no like taxes, we no pay".

Much as I dislike the Tea Party, and regardless of how it started, that's a strawman. Clearly these days the Tea Party is a widespread populist movement with plenty of genuine supporters.

Nor do I think the people in tha movement are moles. I think that suggestion is pretty ridiculous.

[Shofercia]

The Tea Party was astro-turfed. OWS is genuine. And there are going to be Agents Provacateurs deliberately making the OWS look bad, whereas few really care about an astro-turfed movement whose slogan is "we no like taxes, we no pay".

Much as I dislike the Tea Party, and regardless of how it started, that's a strawman. Clearly these days the Tea Party is a widespread populist movement with plenty of genuine supporters.

Nor do I think the people in tha movement are moles. I think that suggestion is pretty ridiculous.

You've never seen a "plant" in a protest? Either Australia has no protests, or you don't get out much. As for the Tea Party being widespread - lol wut? I live in the States, and I don't see a lot of Tea Partiers here. We're more worried about Jerry Brown doing crazy stuff with our water, than Tea Partiers.

As for having genuine supporters - yeah, so what? They're partisan. They're the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party under another branding. Fox News, aka Republican central - supports them. MSNBC, aka Democrat Central - opposes them. So yeah, they'll have some genuine support, and will boldly continue to chant: "Government, hands off my medicare!" It'd be like if the Democrats, who are conservative of Social Issues, branched off and formed their own party.

[Neu Leonstein]

You've never seen a "plant" in a protest? Either Australia has no protests, or you don't get out much. As for the Tea Party being widespread - lol wut? I live in the States, and I don't see a lot of Tea Partiers here. We're more worried about Jerry Brown doing crazy stuff with our water, than Tea Partiers.

I happen to have my own Occupy protest right outside. I get to see them every time I go for coffee. And yes, there is all kinds there, including the angry, aggressive kind.

And clearly the Tea Partiers are hiding from you. Or perhaps they don't wear signs around their necks or something. I guess you could have a look at the congress election results for your local district.

As for having genuine supporters - yeah, so what? They're partisan. They're the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party under another branding. Fox News, aka Republican central - supports them. MSNBC, aka Democrat Central - opposes them. So yeah, they'll have some genuine support, and will boldly continue to chant: "Government, hands off my medicare!" It'd be like if the Democrats, who are conservative of Social Issues, branched off and formed their own party.

How is this relevant? I didn't say I agreed with them (in fact I said the opposite, as I have ever since they appeared), I didn't discuss their views. I said they are a popular, widespread movement, which they are, with some electoral success. As such, whatever their beginnings, they've clearly managed to establish themselves in the political process by appealing to a significant fraction of the populace. Of course that fraction is likely to have come from the GOP side of things. But then, OWS is a primarily left-wing movement itself and is unlikely to compete for many of the same voters.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that OWS so far has not begun to expand its popularity as an actual part of the political process. Instead, social media use relating to them seems to have peaked and polls suggest that even though many people support OWS' goals, the movement itself has much less support. That's a significant difference to the development of the Tea Party.

[Underium]

Ok let me put all this "Media doesn't pay attention" stuff to rest.

The mainstream media are all dicks. however many smaller media sources are reporting it, and this is good because it forces people to turn away from Fox news, sot hey are doing themselves more harm then good. This story is to big to cover up, or ignore, but they are trying as hard as they can. Unfortunately for them, it will cause even more outrage at mainstream media.

A good alternative news station is www.rt.com

[Malgrave]

A new tax plan from several Republican senators completely reverses the principle of income equality and when you think it can't get even worse a joint Democrat and Republican plan to create a corporate tax holiday.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/Too ... Dollar.jpg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0b-iI1eegg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unFqp5uU ... ure=relmfu

[Unchecked Expansion]

There's an Occupy Leeds now. Not very big, and their signs seem to be more about education than banking, but Leeds is student heavy

[Augustus Este]

I hear Occupy Portland may be moving to the university now that they've been kicked out of where they were

[Andaluciae]

Ok let me put all this "Media doesn't pay attention" stuff to rest.

The mainstream media are all dicks. however many smaller media sources are reporting it, and this is good because it forces people to turn away from Fox news, sot hey are doing themselves more harm then good. This story is to big to cover up, or ignore, but they are trying as hard as they can. Unfortunately for them, it will cause even more outrage at mainstream media.

A good alternative news station is http://www.rt.com

Government news from Russia, taking direction from the Kremlin. Lovely.

[Andaluciae]

I was speaking with a protestor and he said the media was ignoring the movement. Which is strange, b/c it is still all over the fucking television on CNN whenever I go in the breakroom at work.

/doesnotwatchtelevision

I'm not sure. I haven't seen much coverage of anything but the wall street chapter. Even when local news runs pieces on things we've done, they've ignored who we are.

In Northeast Ohio, they've managed to get reasonable coverage for Occupy Cleveland, and Occupy Columbus, and the flash-on-the-pan smaller movements got front page billing on the day they held their protests.

[Dustistan]

Some useful data :

http://g-mond.parisschoolofeconomics.eu/topincomes/

The 'top incomes' database.

[Forster Keys]

Ok let me put all this "Media doesn't pay attention" stuff to rest.

The mainstream media are all dicks. however many smaller media sources are reporting it, and this is good because it forces people to turn away from Fox news, sot hey are doing themselves more harm then good. This story is to big to cover up, or ignore, but they are trying as hard as they can. Unfortunately for them, it will cause even more outrage at mainstream media.

A good alternative news station is http://www.rt.com

Government news from Russia, taking direction from the Kremlin. Lovely.

American fool. The Russian government is the height of rational honesty.

[Allrule]

Government news from Russia, taking direction from the Kremlin. Lovely.

American fool. The Russian government is the height of rational honesty.

Reactionary attempts to propagandize about the anti-imperialist news sources like Mathaba and Russia Today will be destroyed like the fascist collaborators in the Syrian Arab Republic and the Republic of Yemen.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

NYPD is apparently raiding Liberty Square. Livestream up on OWS website:
http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-ra ... ty-square/

EDIT:
Although thus far it's just some guy yelling unintelligibly due to the poor webcam audio.

[Seangoli]

NYPD is apparently raiding Liberty Square. Livestream up on OWS website:
http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-ra ... ty-square/

EDIT:
Although thus far it's just some guy yelling unintelligibly due to the poor webcam audio.

Well this is a recipe for disaster.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

NYPD is apparently raiding Liberty Square. Livestream up on OWS website:
http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-ra ... ty-square/

EDIT:
Although thus far it's just some guy yelling unintelligibly due to the poor webcam audio.

Well this is a recipe for disaster.

They've brought in an LRAD. This should be fun.

The stream keeps cutting out though. Its damn frustrating.

[Meowfoundland]

It's kinda awful of the police to throw their property all over the place.