Anonymous to Occupy Wall Street and Create Megathread

[Des-Bal]

People are free to reject a wage. Just say no. I have no problem with trying to create a union, but I do when you try to use state power for your own ends...

free market is win/win

you value $5 more than you value your pencil. and I value the pencil more than the $5. so we trade.

People are free to reject a wage in a hypothetical scenario where they don't need to eat otherwise yeah they have to take what's available.

[Terra Agora]

On everyone part of Occupy Wall Street is asking for $50 minimum wages, etc.
Not to mention Stefan Molyneux is a terrible philosopher.

Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Actually, it's cruel to the poor people who need a job. Blame the government for outpricing your labor.

I meant to say "not."

[Dick]

People are free to reject a wage. Just say no. I have no problem with trying to create a union, but I do when you try to use state power for your own ends...

free market is win/win

you value $5 more than you value your pencil. and I value the pencil more than the $5. so we trade.

People are free to reject a wage in a hypothetical scenario where they don't need to eat otherwise yeah they have to take what's available.

Find another job. Increase your skillset. Start a business. You have many avenues at your disposal. Hypothetical? That's the way it works now, except NOW you have government price fixing labor...translation? People can't find a job and alot of people working "under the table"

[Des-Bal]

Find another job. Increase your skillset. Start a business. You have many avenues at your disposal. Hypothetical? That's the way it works now, except NOW you have government price fixing labor...translation? People can't find a job and alot of people working "under the table"

Find another job that pays the same? Going to school and starting a business incur tremendous costs. Your still presuming that businesses will hire more people just because they can, in no world is that true.

[The Lone Alliance]

Well now they're going to march on the Mansions apparently.

Police are really going to hammer them then, can't have them losing sleep from chanting.

[JuNii]

what happened to the Journalist adage about reporting the news and not becoming the news?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/rep ... 50896.html

[Andaluciae]

Well now they're going to march on the Mansions apparently.

Police are really going to hammer them then, can't have them losing sleep from chanting.

Trying to pick a fight somewhere else.

If they can't do it in the most public of places, they'll try to do it in a comparatively private place.

[Andaluciae]

:palm:

what happened to the Journalist adage about reporting the news and not becoming the news?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/rep ... 50896.html

Technically speaking (comment targeted at the writer), the police pepper-sprayed nobody at the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian employees did, though.

[Terra Agora]

People are free to reject a wage. Just say no. I have no problem with trying to create a union, but I do when you try to use state power for your own ends...

free market is win/win

you value $5 more than you value your pencil. and I value the pencil more than the $5. so we trade.

People are free to reject a wage in a hypothetical scenario where they don't need to eat otherwise yeah they have to take what's available.

You are correct, however there are reasons to this (basically the root of this problem is government).

In a free market you wouldn't be forced to take a wage job.

[The Lone Alliance]

:palm:

what happened to the Journalist adage about reporting the news and not becoming the news?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/rep ... 50896.html

Right wing reporter attempts to incite a riot to slander the opposition...
Didn't the Pinkertons do the same thing?

[Terra Agora]

Find another job. Increase your skillset. Start a business. You have many avenues at your disposal.

Hypothetically? Sure.
But in reality there are many artificial barriers to entry to start a new business.
Finding a new job isn't easy either.
Increasing your skillset doesn't do much when you can't find a job.

[Des-Bal]

You are correct, however there are reasons to this (basically the root of this problem is government).

In a free market you wouldn't be forced to take a wage job.

Yes you would be free to starve to death, subsist on the income of an unskilled laborer, gain an education with money you don't have, or start a buisness with no startup capital. Your only choice is to take whatever shit job they're offering.

[Des-Bal]

Right wing reporter attempts to incite a riot to slander the opposition...
Didn't the Pinkertons do the same thing?

Yes but they also killed people with dynamite and that was pretty cool.

[Terra Agora]

You are correct, however there are reasons to this (basically the root of this problem is government).

In a free market you wouldn't be forced to take a wage job.

Yes you would be free to starve to death, subsist on the income of an unskilled laborer, gain an education with money you don't have, or start a buisness with no startup capital. Your only choice is to take whatever shit job they're offering.

You're conflating the actually existing system with a free(d) market.

[Andaluciae]

:palm:

what happened to the Journalist adage about reporting the news and not becoming the news?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/rep ... 50896.html

Right wing reporter attempts to incite a riot to slander the opposition...
Didn't the Pinkertons do the same thing?

Nah. The Pinkertons either infiltrated, and pulled out the dirt--or just shot the strikers a la Homestead. Although, they did gain the ignominy of being banned from Ohio. Not even the Michigan Wolverines have achieved that one.

Even at that, though, the incident that got the pepper spray going wasn't the reporter: It was this guy.

http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy17 ... ssible.jpg

[Occupied Deutschland]

Right wing reporter attempts to incite a riot to slander the opposition...
Didn't the Pinkertons do the same thing?

Nah. The Pinkertons either infiltrated, and pulled out the dirt--or just shot the strikers a la Homestead. Although, they did gain the ignominy of being banned from Ohio. Not even the Michigan Wolverines have achieved that one.

Even at that, though, the incident that got the pepper spray going wasn't the reporter: It was this guy.

http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy17 ... ssible.jpg

HOLY CRAP! Chris Rock works at the Air & Space Museum!?

[Andaluciae]

Nah. The Pinkertons either infiltrated, and pulled out the dirt--or just shot the strikers a la Homestead. Although, they did gain the ignominy of being banned from Ohio. Not even the Michigan Wolverines have achieved that one.

Even at that, though, the incident that got the pepper spray going wasn't the reporter: It was this guy.

http://s789.photobucket.com/albums/yy17 ... ssible.jpg

HOLY CRAP! Chris Rock works at the Air & Space Museum!?

And he's packing a .38. Motherfucker kickin' it old school.

[Xsyne]

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I make 174,000 dollars a year.
I wrote the bill that cut your benefits.
I am personally responsible for every aspect of government you hate.
I am part of the 99%.

Fuck I hate these trite slogans.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Australia proves you wrong
Compared to the us dollar, their minimum wage is about $15/hr, and they half our unemployment

Minimum wages causes unemployment is provably false.
Stop lying. and tell us your real agenda.

Unemployment likely to rise as companies put the brakes on hiring

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/unemploy ... z1aQxc4IeH

What do you say about that? Some people's labor is just not worth what they're doing. So, if the private (voluntary) economy doesn't keep up with government mandates, people lose jobs...while other people can't find jobs. Also, isn't the AUS weaker than the USD? It's like paying someone 1000000 zimbabwa dollars, it equals up to like 25c.. apples and oranges

No. AUD was around 92 cents on the dollar until a few years ago, now it's about $1.17. He was speaking in real terms anyway, so it doesn't matter what the exchange rate is.

[Genivaria]

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I make 174,000 dollars a year.
I wrote the bill that cut your benefits.
I am personally responsible for every aspect of government you hate.
I am part of the 99%.

Fuck I hate these trite slogans.

The fuck?

[Xsyne]

I make 174,000 dollars a year.
I wrote the bill that cut your benefits.
I am personally responsible for every aspect of government you hate.
I am part of the 99%.

Fuck I hate these trite slogans.

The fuck?

Just pointing out that the 99% also includes quite a large number, if not the majority, of people responsible for the current mess. But no, it's easier to pretend that it's only a tiny, tiny amount of people who are to blame. That way people never have to confront the possibility that they are part of the problem.

[Genivaria]

The fuck?

Just pointing out that the 99% also includes quite a large number, if not the majority, of people responsible for the current mess. But no, it's easier to pretend that it's only a tiny, tiny amount of people who are to blame. That way people never have to confront the possibility that they are part of the problem.

I....see.

[Forster Keys]

Same in Australia. Local grocery stores usually just sell the same products made by big companies at a much larger price.

There isn't much of a marketing mix to go with food. Supermarkets rarely market their products luxuriously, or anything else. What you're saying, that the elderly and poor are the main customers, makes no sense from a business point of view. Logically, products will be cheaper and readily accessible if the target market are poor and the elderly. No business wants to depend solely on its location and hope that people will always remain lazy.

I personally think the problem lies mainly with a vast difference in the economies of scale available to the smaller supermarkets and the economies of scale available to the larger supermarkets.

I said that? I think your quoting the wrong bloke.

[Jagalonia]

I think it was there. Been a while since I read "Art of War".

Everything is online now.
http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

I doubt EVERYTHING is online now....
Have you ever seen shower guitar porn?
I thought not....
Actualy...That sounds pretty hot....

[Genivaria]

Everything is online now.
http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

I doubt EVERYTHING is online now....
Have you ever seen shower guitar porn?
I thought not....
Actualy...That sounds pretty hot....

I have found where you got that.