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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:31 pm

Andaluciae wrote:I am not anonymous.
I have never been silent.
Only cowards hide behind masks.
http://www.imgur.com/owuC4.jpg
That's me.


lol we wear the same glasses :hug:
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:31 pm

Andaluciae wrote:I am not anonymous.
I have never been silent.
Only cowards hide behind masks.
http://www.imgur.com/owuC4.jpg
That's me.


Wow, it's actually fairly brave of you to wave your dick at an amorphous blob of hackers and trolls. That being said I am going to amuse myself for the rest of the night drawing dicks on your face.
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Postby Skeenation » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:32 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Skeenation wrote:http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
^Sure is union in there^
And banks control the government, corporations don't and they aren't the reason for this market crash, it's irresponsible banking practices that caused it.


Then why are so many protesting corporations and talking about how the wealthy are evil?

Because no one really knows what they hell is going on so they target the group who are well off compared to them. If I got the whole country to protest integration, does that make it right? Majority rules isn't always how you should judge things.

EDIT: oh stupid me, I answered that like you were serious :lol:
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:37 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:I am not anonymous.
I have never been silent.
Only cowards hide behind masks.
http://www.imgur.com/owuC4.jpg
That's me.


Wow, it's actually fairly brave of you to wave your dick at an amorphous blob of hackers and trolls. That being said I am going to amuse myself for the rest of the night drawing dicks on your face.


Ain't like it's never been done before...

...I can think of a particular night during undergrad. Oooh, excess alcohol consumption...was I the one whose face got dicks drawn on it, or was it the other guy...hmmmm...
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby Dick » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:37 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Dick wrote:Occupy Wall Street are completely ignorant on economics. It's embarassing really

http://youtu.be/qT8YW3cIAKg

On everyone part of Occupy Wall Street is asking for $50 minimum wages, etc.
Not to mention Stefan Molyneux is a terrible philosopher.


Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Actually, it's cruel to the poor people who need a job. Blame the government for outpricing your labor.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:38 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:I am not anonymous.
I have never been silent.
Only cowards hide behind masks.
http://www.imgur.com/owuC4.jpg
That's me.


lol we wear the same glasses :hug:

:hug:

I'm a fan. These particular pair has been abnormally excellent. I'm probably going to pass on the new pair for the new year because of how much I like these.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:39 pm

Dick wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:On everyone part of Occupy Wall Street is asking for $50 minimum wages, etc.
Not to mention Stefan Molyneux is a terrible philosopher.


Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.


Either that or inflation would shoot through the roof and prices would go tits up, whilst savings would go through the fucking floor.

...if you had a competent central banker, that is.
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FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby Skeenation » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:39 pm

Dick wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:On everyone part of Occupy Wall Street is asking for $50 minimum wages, etc.
Not to mention Stefan Molyneux is a terrible philosopher.


Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Or the more things begin to cost, because everyone is now "richer"
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:40 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
Taxes are already at a record low. Tea Party Politicians are already calling for less regulation and taxation.


no, i'm talking about corporations, if corporations have so much power why do they need to complain at all to the government when they can easily manipulate it?


Because they already have what they want, their complaints are a lies and a shell game. They are simply attempting to squezze every last dime out of a failing system. This is the flatout robbery stage.
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And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:42 pm

Skeenation wrote:
Dick wrote:
Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Or the more things begin to cost, because everyone is now "richer"


Basic supply and demand. More people demanding the exact same supply of goods, with higher input costs on the goods? PRICE SHOCKS MOTHERFUCKERS!

Don't get me wrong: I support maintenance of a minimum wage, if for no other reason than to make the labor market more transparent for workers, so that they know what the going rate for register jockey is. Still...drastic increases outside of inflation can have boatloads of negative effects.
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FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby GeneralHaNor » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:43 pm

Dick wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:On everyone part of Occupy Wall Street is asking for $50 minimum wages, etc.
Not to mention Stefan Molyneux is a terrible philosopher.


Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Actually, it's cruel to the poor people who need a job. Blame the government for outpricing your labor.


Australia proves you wrong
Compared to the us dollar, their minimum wage is about $15/hr, and they half our unemployment

Minimum wages causes unemployment is provably false.
Stop lying. and tell us your real agenda.
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:45 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Ain't like it's never been done before...

...I can think of a particular night during undergrad. Oooh, excess alcohol consumption...was I the one whose face got dicks drawn on it, or was it the other guy...hmmmm...


Well I meant because they have an almost disturbing ability to track pictures in order to find your facebook page and things you love then just generally ruin things for you. I'd say you were double fucked because of that search by image google does now but apparently you look very similar to an asian woman preforming fellatio (about 50% of the results) so I'm guessing that technology is a few years away from helping people troll.
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Postby Skeenation » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:46 pm

:?
Andaluciae wrote:
Skeenation wrote:Or the more things begin to cost, because everyone is now "richer"


Basic supply and demand. More people demanding the exact same supply of goods, with higher input costs on the goods? PRICE SHOCKS MOTHERFUCKERS!

Don't get me wrong: I support maintenance of a minimum wage, if for no other reason than to make the labor market more transparent for workers, so that they know what the going rate for register jockey is. Still...drastic increases outside of inflation can have boatloads of negative effects.

Am i getting yelled at or agreed with? :?
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:47 pm

GeneralHaNor wrote:
Dick wrote:
Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Actually, it's cruel to the poor people who need a job. Blame the government for outpricing your labor.


Australia proves you wrong
Compared to the us dollar, their minimum wage is about $15/hr, and they half our unemployment

Minimum wages causes unemployment is provably false.
Stop lying. and tell us your real agenda.

1: Prove it
2: Australia is not the US.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:47 pm

Skeenation wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:
Basic supply and demand. More people demanding the exact same supply of goods, with higher input costs on the goods? PRICE SHOCKS MOTHERFUCKERS!

Don't get me wrong: I support maintenance of a minimum wage, if for no other reason than to make the labor market more transparent for workers, so that they know what the going rate for register jockey is. Still...drastic increases outside of inflation can have boatloads of negative effects.

Am i getting yelled at or agreed with? :?:


Both.

It's because we're eXXXXXXXXXtreme.

See. Lot's of XXXXXX's. Makes it more eXXXXXXXXXXXXtreme.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:49 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
1: Prove it
2: Australia is not the US.



And you aren't me, just because it hurt like hell when I tased myself shouldn't deter you.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:
1: Prove it
2: Australia is not the US.



And you aren't me, just because it hurt like hell when I tased myself shouldn't deter you.

:lol:
...
...
:unsure:
...
...
*bzzzzt*
Fuck!
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:
Ain't like it's never been done before...

...I can think of a particular night during undergrad. Oooh, excess alcohol consumption...was I the one whose face got dicks drawn on it, or was it the other guy...hmmmm...


Well I meant because they have an almost disturbing ability to track pictures in order to find your facebook page and things you love then just generally ruin things for you. I'd say you were double fucked because of that search by image google does now but apparently you look very similar to an asian woman preforming fellatio (about 50% of the results) so I'm guessing that technology is a few years away from helping people troll.


Meh. Worst case scenario they try to bully me. I've had actual bullies, so some aspergers ridden b/tards don't scare me.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:53 pm

I am alarmed that this photo comes up when you search the photo I posted...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TMDzCoRezFQ/S ... 0_2683.JPG
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:53 pm

Andaluciae wrote:Meh. Worst case scenario they try to bully me. I've had actual bullies, so some aspergers ridden b/tards don't scare me.


Well actually the worst case scenario is they get into your face book and bully your family and friends.
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Postby Dick » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:54 pm

GeneralHaNor wrote:
Dick wrote:
Wage is tied to your value. If government sets it to $20 hr then unemployment would skyrocket more because alot of people aren't worth $20 hr so those people would be out of a job. Why not set the minimum wage to 10,000,000$ per hour ? Then maybe only Bill Gates will land a job.

Economic ignorance. The higher the wage is set, the more who will be unemployed.

Actually, it's cruel to the poor people who need a job. Blame the government for outpricing your labor.


Australia proves you wrong
Compared to the us dollar, their minimum wage is about $15/hr, and they half our unemployment

Minimum wages causes unemployment is provably false.
Stop lying. and tell us your real agenda.


Unemployment likely to rise as companies put the brakes on hiring

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/unemploy ... z1aQxc4IeH

What do you say about that? Some people's labor is just not worth what they're doing. So, if the private (voluntary) economy doesn't keep up with government mandates, people lose jobs...while other people can't find jobs. Also, isn't the AUS weaker than the USD? It's like paying someone 1000000 zimbabwa dollars, it equals up to like 25c.. apples and oranges
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Postby Dick » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:55 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Skeenation wrote:Or the more things begin to cost, because everyone is now "richer"


Basic supply and demand. More people demanding the exact same supply of goods, with higher input costs on the goods? PRICE SHOCKS MOTHERFUCKERS!

Don't get me wrong: I support maintenance of a minimum wage, if for no other reason than to make the labor market more transparent for workers, so that they know what the going rate for register jockey is. Still...drastic increases outside of inflation can have boatloads of negative effects.


Why? Puts people out of work. Sends jobs overseas. You don't need a government mandated minimum wage. It just doesn't work

It's like ifd I agree to cut someone's grass for $50 and the government jumps in and says I need to be paid atleast $100 and the guy gets someone else to do it...or does it himself. ridiculous
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:59 pm

Dick wrote:
Why? Puts people out of work. Sends jobs overseas. You don't need a government mandated minimum wage. It just doesn't work



The free market regulates income arguments always neglect that businesses will continue to employ as many people as necessary to operate regardless of what they have to pay them and won't constantly hire new people just because they can. On other end of the spectrum people will continue to seek employment even if it isn't for a "fair" wage.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:Meh. Worst case scenario they try to bully me. I've had actual bullies, so some aspergers ridden b/tards don't scare me.


Well actually the worst case scenario is they get into your face book and bully your family and friends.


Pretty safe there. I've got facebook pretty much locked down. Can't see me if you're not one of my friends. My password is extremely strong (nonconsecutive letters, numbers and non-alphanumeric symbols) and I might delete it, given that I haven't been on in...a month.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby Dick » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:10 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Dick wrote:
Why? Puts people out of work. Sends jobs overseas. You don't need a government mandated minimum wage. It just doesn't work



The free market regulates income arguments always neglect that businesses will continue to employ as many people as necessary to operate regardless of what they have to pay them and won't constantly hire new people just because they can. On other end of the spectrum people will continue to seek employment even if it isn't for a "fair" wage.


People are free to reject a wage. Just say no. I have no problem with trying to create a union, but I do when you try to use state power for your own ends...

free market is win/win

you value $5 more than you value your pencil. and I value the pencil more than the $5. so we trade.
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