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Postby Malgrave » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:41 pm

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I agree, although people to tend to over-react especially on matters of health. They probably put him on observation and IV for no apparent reason other to run up costs.


I agree. I've never, ever been to the emergency, despite having had great insurance and a couple of potential health misadventures.


Well I was hit in the face with a golf club other then that i've had no major incidents that forced me to go to hospital :unsure: Although I have the NHS :lol:
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:56 pm

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Did that seriously just do a "I am the 99%" for Hitler?

He is so ridiculous I stopped reading his posts a while ago, get used to just having to skim over them. I have never met someone so inflammatory with their ACTUAL beliefs. :o

You've known me for less than two days; and stop with the libel. I'm sorry (well, not really) if my beliefs offend you; but get used to it. Not everyone's a leftist.

Andaluciae wrote:Did that seriously just do a "I am the 99%" for Hitler?

Yes, actually. I'm not sure why; he is far from a National Socialist. I will speak to him on the subject.

Malgrave wrote:- He assumes people that are unemployed and have college debt obviously picked the wrong degree, even if they did not state what degree they actually have and ignoring the massive unemployment in America

- He also assumes that a guy that passed out due to heat stroke was "partying" what an idiotic assumption. People get effected by heatstroke all the time while living their daily lives. At this point I was too pissed off to continue reading the idiots whiny blog :palm:

The entry has it's flaws, and the author as I know him can tend to get gather angry about things; but I believe the overall point is sound. These people act like they're an oppressed, huddled mass with no hope when in fact many of those people are fine as they are. Occupy Wall St. and the 99% Movement is infested with people who think things should be handed to them on a platter; and it is ridiculous.
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Postby Natty Narwhal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:04 pm

This is probably Wall Street's mindset while they see the protesters...
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:05 pm

Malgrave wrote:seems to me another asshole making assumptions on people based on a few sentences.

- He assumes people that are unemployed and have college debt obviously picked the wrong degree, even if they did not state what degree they actually have and ignoring the massive unemployment in America(1)

To be fair, there has been (or at least was pre-recession) a complete over-emphasis on college degrees and (this is the stereotype joke that has the kernel of truth in it) too many people majoring in "Communications" and other such areas where the job prospects were less than promising. (Or, the one that gets my goat, going to college and majoring in entrepreneurship or the like. What a joke).
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Postby Allrule » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:26 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Malgrave wrote:seems to me another asshole making assumptions on people based on a few sentences.

- He assumes people that are unemployed and have college debt obviously picked the wrong degree, even if they did not state what degree they actually have and ignoring the massive unemployment in America(1)

To be fair, there has been (or at least was pre-recession) a complete over-emphasis on college degrees and (this is the stereotype joke that has the kernel of truth in it) too many people majoring in "Communications" and other such areas where the job prospects were less than promising. (Or, the one that gets my goat, going to college and majoring in entrepreneurship or the like. What a joke).
College became too much of place to go for people after high-school for four years because they assumed a degree would get them a job right out of the gate (and not any job a "good" job).

And to quote Linkara from his excellent review of that godawful Future Five comic, here's a list of people who either dropped out of college, or never attended at all:
    Quentin Tarantino
    Steve Jobs (RIP :( )
    Frank Lloyd Wright
    Dan Aykroyd
    David Bowie (You can lose your virginity just by looking at His Area. You have been warned.)
    Patrick Stewart
    Rosa Parks
    Stan Lee

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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:40 pm

Malgrave wrote:
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I agree. I've never, ever been to the emergency, despite having had great insurance and a couple of potential health misadventures.


Well I was hit in the face with a golf club other then that i've had no major incidents that forced me to go to hospital :unsure: Although I have the NHS :lol:


Golf club seems fair reasoning. I had my parents health insurance until college, when I had no cost to me healthcare, and now I have super low cost employer provided.
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:41 pm

Allrule wrote:And to quote Linkara from his excellent review of that godawful Future Five comic, here's a list of people who either dropped out of college, or never attended at all:
    Quentin Tarantino
    Steve Jobs (RIP :( )
    Frank Lloyd Wright
    Dan Aykroyd
    David Bowie (You can lose your virginity just by looking at His Area. You have been warned.)
    Patrick Stewart
    Rosa Parks
    Stan Lee

It's a funny old world, isn't it?


Except that you used 8 people an examples; one of which (Rosa Parks) doesn't even count. It would take days to list the millions of people who have lived shit lives because they never went to college. The exception proves the rule.
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Postby Allrule » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:44 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:
Allrule wrote:And to quote Linkara from his excellent review of that godawful Future Five comic, here's a list of people who either dropped out of college, or never attended at all:
    Quentin Tarantino
    Steve Jobs (RIP :( )
    Frank Lloyd Wright
    Dan Aykroyd
    David Bowie (You can lose your virginity just by looking at His Area. You have been warned.)
    Patrick Stewart
    Rosa Parks
    Stan Lee

It's a funny old world, isn't it?


Except that you used 8 people an examples; one of which (Rosa Parks) doesn't even count. It would take days to list the millions of people who have lived shit lives because they never went to college. The exception proves the rule.


The point was that a college degree does not guarantee success, nor does the absence of it guarantee failure.
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Postby Sremski okrug » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:56 pm

It's the frustration of the people.

One of the justifications for the bailouts was that it would free up money that the banks would then use to give to small and large business in order to keep the circulation of money in the economy. What do you get in return, massive profits and record breaking bonuses however no major increase in lending.

You need to give more tax cuts to the richest in society. They won't hoard their wealth or spend it on extravagant and useless toys they'll use it to create jobs. I mean they are the "job creators". What do people get in return for these tax cuts. Oh unemployment is still massive and their are not enough jobs to go around and they appear to be flaunting their wealth on toys.

Well that's just Prime.
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Postby LegionOps » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:07 pm

Anyone who is American should come down to Occupy Wall Street or any of our Occupy events.

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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:09 pm

LegionOps wrote:Anyone who is American should come down to Occupy Wall Street or any of our Occupy events.

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How about you complain to the government for the bailouts and not the corporations :)
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Postby Sremski okrug » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:12 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
LegionOps wrote:Anyone who is American should come down to Occupy Wall Street or any of our Occupy events.

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How about you complain to the government for the bailouts and not the corporations :)


The corporations control the government through lobby groups.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:14 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
How about you complain to the government for the bailouts and not the corporations :)


The corporations control the government through lobby groups.


Do they really? I mean sure they have influence but i HIGHLY doubt they decide what goes on, otherwise why would corporation be complaining to the government about taxes and shit?
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Postby Sremski okrug » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:15 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
The corporations control the government through lobby groups.


Do they really? I mean sure they have influence but i HIGHLY doubt they decide what goes on, otherwise why would corporation be complaining to the government about taxes and shit?


Taxes are already at a record low. Tea Party Politicians are already calling for less regulation and taxation.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:16 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:The corporations control the government through lobby groups.


Wow you mean large groups of people with alot of money can do things with their money that people without money can't? How scandalous and unprecedented!
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:18 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Do they really? I mean sure they have influence but i HIGHLY doubt they decide what goes on, otherwise why would corporation be complaining to the government about taxes and shit?


Taxes are already at a record low. Tea Party Politicians are already calling for less regulation and taxation.


no, i'm talking about corporations, if corporations have so much power why do they need to complain at all to the government when they can easily manipulate it?
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Postby Sremski okrug » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:18 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:The corporations control the government through lobby groups.


Wow you mean large groups of people with alot of money can do things with their money that people without money can't? How scandalous and unprecedented!


:palm:

The group with the largest amount of money should not have the largest amount of influence in politics. Politicians need to be elected on merit not who has the best advertising budget.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:18 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:Taxes are already at a record low. Tea Party Politicians are already calling for less regulation and taxation.


Taxes on individuals, our corporate tax is really high which is exactly what you expect in a system where people control the government and not corporations.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:21 pm

Sremski okrug wrote: :palm:

The group with the largest amount of money should not have the largest amount of influence in politics. Politicians need to be elected on merit not who has the best advertising budget.


You know what separates you from a corporation? They have more money to support a candidate. Politicians have never been elected on merit because following the ideologies and voting records of politicians at every level of government may as well be a full time job people voting for the candidate with the best advertising isn't the corporations controlling the government it's people basing their decisions on the information they have.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:22 pm

LegionOps wrote:Anyone who is American should come down to Occupy Wall Street or any of our Occupy events.

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Postby Skeenation » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:26 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
How about you complain to the government for the bailouts and not the corporations :)


The corporations control the government through lobby groups.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
^Sure is union in there^
And banks control the government, corporations don't and they aren't the reason for this market crash, it's irresponsible banking practices that caused it.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:27 pm

Skeenation wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
The corporations control the government through lobby groups.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
^Sure is union in there^
And banks control the government, corporations don't and they aren't the reason for this market crash, it's irresponsible banking practices that caused it.


Then why are so many protesting corporations and talking about how the wealthy are evil?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:29 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Then why are so many protesting corporations and talking about how the wealthy are evil?



Because people are stupid and when frightened they make poor decisions.
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:29 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Then why are so many protesting corporations and talking about how the wealthy are evil?



Because people are stupid and when frightened they make poor decisions.


BINGO, that's the answer I was waiting for. :clap:
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:30 pm

I am not anonymous.
I have never been silent.
Only cowards hide behind masks.
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