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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:59 am

Discussion:
Simple if Turkey remains in Isreal, World War Three will start!
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Postby Forster Keys » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:00 am

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Now, back to the point, eh?


That's New Zealander.

Oh! The point. I think we covered it.
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Postby Starkindler » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:02 am

Saiwania wrote:The Bible has a solution to the Israel/Arab conflicts, give the land to the Jews. :p


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Much easier solution: COBALT the Land of Israel per biblical definition. That way the land will not be anyone for a few centuries or so... (Cobalt = salted nuke). Several centuries of war has resulted from this, religion nonsense. It needs to be stopped.
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Postby Forster Keys » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:02 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Discussion:
Simple if Turkey remains in Isreal, World War Three will start!


Remains? Turkey is not in Israel.

If you mean invade, then yes, they'd probably be a serious war. But not WW3 the MAD Doctrine tends to keep those down.
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:09 am

Don't care about Turkey and never really did like Israel.
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Postby Orlkjestad » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:11 am

Forster Keys wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Discussion:
Simple if Turkey remains in Isreal, World War Three will start!


Remains? Turkey is not in Israel.

If you mean invade, then yes, they'd probably be a serious war. But not WW3 the MAD Doctrine tends to keep those down.

If the Turks invade, at best it will be similar to the Russo-Georgian War. At worst, it will be a full-scale regional war. It would probably, however, be a somewhat major war, but not too big of a destabilizer.
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Postby Barrasso » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:16 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Well the US would be stuck in a quandry. NATO vs. Israel. If Israel attacked, legally the US would have to fight Israel because Turkey is NATO.

Turkey attacks Israel? US would take Israel's side. Or not. Obama's stance on Israel make the Israelis skeptical if he would bring the US to their side during another Arab invasion. The US would have to choose which nation to lose if both fight each other.

Why the hell do we have to side with anyone? i mean realisticaly speaking we will but really we should just let them fight their god damn war and worry about our selfs
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Postby Orlkjestad » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:17 am

Barrasso wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Well the US would be stuck in a quandry. NATO vs. Israel. If Israel attacked, legally the US would have to fight Israel because Turkey is NATO.

Turkey attacks Israel? US would take Israel's side. Or not. Obama's stance on Israel make the Israelis skeptical if he would bring the US to their side during another Arab invasion. The US would have to choose which nation to lose if both fight each other.

Why the hell do we have to side with anyone? i mean realisticaly speaking we will but really we should just let them fight their god damn war and worry about our selfs

Unfortunately, I fear that if we side with Israel, NATO will hate us. If we side with Turkey, Israel will hate us. If we stay neutral, everybody will hate us.
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Postby -St George » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:25 am

Barrasso wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Well the US would be stuck in a quandry. NATO vs. Israel. If Israel attacked, legally the US would have to fight Israel because Turkey is NATO.

Turkey attacks Israel? US would take Israel's side. Or not. Obama's stance on Israel make the Israelis skeptical if he would bring the US to their side during another Arab invasion. The US would have to choose which nation to lose if both fight each other.

Why the hell do we have to side with anyone? i mean realisticaly speaking we will but really we should just let them fight their god damn war and worry about our selfs

Because a war in the Middle East affects America, maybe?
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Postby Orlkjestad » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:27 am

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Barrasso wrote:Why the hell do we have to side with anyone? i mean realisticaly speaking we will but really we should just let them fight their god damn war and worry about our selfs

Because a war in the Middle East affects America, maybe?

It's not like it's full of oil, or it's the home of Al-Qaeda, or anything...
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Postby Malgrave » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:35 am

Turkey is hardly preparing for war. :palm:
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:42 am

WWIII aside, why would Turkey try fighting Isreal when there is so much crap with them going on with Greece and Cyprus?
And yea, you are right, America IS pretty much f-ked no matter what they do
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Postby Barrasso » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:13 am

Orlkjestad wrote:
Barrasso wrote:Why the hell do we have to side with anyone? i mean realisticaly speaking we will but really we should just let them fight their god damn war and worry about our selfs

Unfortunately, I fear that if we side with Israel, NATO will hate us. If we side with Turkey, Israel will hate us. If we stay neutral, everybody will hate us.

Think for a minute we help everyone people hate us for that,we've done it for so long its like were the worlds mother or father sometimes you dont like us but you need us because if we dont help everyone will either ask us to help or hate us for not thats our problem
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Postby Volnotova » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:02 am

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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:29 am

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1. Turkey has been purchasing the same type of stuff from the US that Israel has been buying. Though I don't know about the past two years.
2. Both countries engage in conscripting. Both have veterans from recent active combat operations. The Israelis against the Palestinians and the Turks against the Kurds.


Turkish equipment, while American, isn't of the same ilk as what Israel posseses. For example, Turkey still uses F-4 Phantoms, Israel uses F-15's. This trend is evident through every branch of their armed forces.

Think big picture. Turkey hasn't been involved in a full scale war since the days of the Ottoman empire. Israel has much, much more combat experience against a similarly equipped and similarly numbered foe.


collectively both nations have experience with war against other countries but when did those wars happen? at least a generation or two ago. We have no idea how the current crop of Turkish/Israeli soldiers will do on an actual field against a pretty much equal opponent. They both get weapons from the US and they both have experience fighting insurgencies.

The only difference is that the Israeli air force has more experience but with Turkey bombing villages in North Iraq, Turkey is catching up a bit.
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Postby Keronians » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:30 am

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Juristonia wrote:I like how you're completely ignoring the repeatedly pointed out fact that the Turkish army is much, much bigger and has much, much more equipment than Israel.

1.2 million versus 3/4 of a million is an advantage, but it isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be.


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Postby Keronians » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:32 am

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Barrasso wrote:Why the hell do we have to side with anyone? i mean realisticaly speaking we will but really we should just let them fight their god damn war and worry about our selfs

Because a war in the Middle East affects America, maybe?


Maintain neutrality.

Turkey is an ally, and so is Israel.

Personally, if it ever came down to it, I'd abandon Israel in a flash.
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Postby Angleter » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:34 am

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-St George wrote:Because a war in the Middle East affects America, maybe?


Maintain neutrality.

Turkey is an ally, and so is Israel.

Personally, if it ever came down to it, I'd abandon Israel in a flash.


Or send a peacekeeping force to the Eastern Med and stop them doing anything. Not that either side would probably be able to get the air superiority to actually launch a land invasion anyway, of course. And given how America has been Israel's staunchest defender since the 1950s at least, abandoning them would make them look rather silly- and it'd probably turn the clock back decades with Arab-Israeli relations, and that can't be good.
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Postby Keronians » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:36 am

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Maintain neutrality.

Turkey is an ally, and so is Israel.

Personally, if it ever came down to it, I'd abandon Israel in a flash.


Or send a peacekeeping force to the Eastern Med and stop them doing anything. Not that either side would probably be able to get the air superiority to actually launch a land invasion anyway, of course.


Sending a peacekeeping force to stop both Turkey and Israel would be idiotic.

... But lulzy.

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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:36 am

Costa Fiero wrote:I take it no one's bothered to look at the latest UN report which came out this month.


The other thing not considered is that both Turkey and Israel actually have first world economies. (Course the Palestinian areas are pretty third world).
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You're forgetting the fact that it says Israel was wrong to react the way they did. My point was, it justifies the blockade.


The blockade itself is fine. Israel's ideas about how to enforce a blockade are what should be, and what are being, condemned.


It reminds of what China has been doing in the East Pacific.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:48 am

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The blockade itself is fine. Israel's ideas about how to enforce a blockade are what should be, and what are being, condemned.


It reminds of what China has been doing in the East Pacific.

Oh? Remind the rest of us.
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