Turkey Preparing for War with Israel

[Kemaliste]

Actually I meant, French forces invaded there and we secured them. That's why I said '' gaining '' because we were not even a state when we gained them. Kemalist revolutionary civilian forces fought and won, that's all.

Before us, White people will leave America and Australia, Spanish will leave South America. Then we may think.

There's no way that's shitty circular logic that will lead to no one doing anything!

We don't mind. Only Turkish nation decides about Turkish lands they've won against invaders. If somebody tends to interfere, they will see the response of course.

[Kemaliste]

Whatever. You got my message.

I did, just don't like how people seperate things like that. I'm kind of on your side but im also against you, this is grey for me...hmm.

I didn't separate them, I know Spanish are white too. I just counted them one by one.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Funny, that's what Britain used to say about itself, but then Obama gave away our nuclear secrets and Clinton started stirring crap with the Falklands. Don;t count on the US as a major ally, especially when Israel is far more useful.

Well, USA has allies of course. But Turkey is not an ally, it is controlled by themselves.

Turkey is not a puppet state of the U.S. It's an ally. Chill out please.

[North Calaveras]

There's no way that's shitty circular logic that will lead to no one doing anything!

We don't mind. Only Turkish nation decides about Turkish lands they've won against invaders. If somebody tends to interfere, they will see the response of course.

I agree with this

[The Lone Alliance]

I'm sure Turkey's also pissed about how Israel has trained the Kurds in the past.

This won't end well...

And no Turkey wouldn't win

Simply because if worse came to worse Israel would pull out the nukes.

[Kemaliste]

Well, USA has allies of course. But Turkey is not an ally, it is controlled by themselves.

Turkey is not a puppet state of the U.S. It's an ally. Chill out please.

Since the prime minister, president and ruling party are CIA servants, Turkish government is being a puppet state unfortunately. It will not last that long though, I trust my patriot nation.

That's what half of our nation believes.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Haha, ignorant. Erdogan was the one who proposed Iraq law to parliament, but it was rejected by oppositions votes (CHP and MHP). After this event, Erdogan told American diplomats '' We tried everything but nationalists stopped us ''

Next time don't talk about things you don't know.

This would be so much more meaningful if it weren't coming from someone that's been denying the holocaust and claiming Hitler was Jewish in this very thread.

Are you suggesting Hitler wasn't Jewish?

I had no idea! I must leave the Nazi Party at once! I would never follow a Leader who wasn't one of God's Chosen!

[Alien Space Bats]

I'm sure Turkey's also pissed about how Israel has trained the Kurds in the past.

This won't end well...

And no Turkey wouldn't win

Simply because if worse came to worse Israel would pull out the nukes.

Unless it's getting overrun by an enemy force bent on eradicating every last Israeli, the first time Israel uses nukes will also be the last time Israel uses nukes.

Why? Because at that point they would find themselves be under a total financial and economic embargo, including food and medicine. In the face of such an embargo, Israel could not possibly survive.

[Mountedge]

I just love reading these threads. "you're ignorant" "no you're ignorant" "i'm right because my daddy says so"... This one definitely made my day.

OT: Of course there won't be a war. It would do more harm than good to both Israel and Turkey, and they know that as well.

[The Yaupon Forests]

There will be no major war between Turkey and Israel, if even shots are fired at all. Probably not even that. There will be a lot of strong words and symbolic actions, but nothing major will happen. Those of you who are salivating as the possibility of such a war are fairly ignorant of the region's politics as well as deeply disturbed. There are a lot of scenarios I could as plausible wars in the region:
Israel invading Syria
Turkey invading Syria
Iran bombing Israel
Israel bombing Iran
Israel invading Egypt (trying to retake the Sinai and/or to enforce a stricter embargo on Gaza)
a new Palestinian Intifada (utilizing the new North African insurrectionary strategies)

Israel won't attack Turkey and Turkey won't attack Israel. I mean, I guess it COULD happen, but is very very unlikely. There's too much political pressure from their respective allies to avoid such a thing.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Frankly, they shouldn't fight. A Turkey-Israeli war would be distartous for both countries and the Middle East in general, with repercussions that may -scratch that, will- extend beyond the Middle East.

[Kemaliste]

I just love reading these threads. "you're ignorant" "no you're ignorant" "i'm right because my daddy says so"... This one definitely made my day.

OT: Of course there won't be a war. It would do more harm than good to both Israel and Turkey, and they know that as well.

There will not be a war because Erdogan can't betray his own nation. And he's so sissy.

[Laerod]

Again, you're really not one to talk.

He hasn't? So when the ambassador to the US was recalled, this was a sign of support or what?

When o.O ?

March 2010.

You're assuming it doesn't escalate into an all out war, that it's just a bit of dick-waving with live ammo. That may be what happens, or they may calm down and decide not to fight at all; but that doesn't change the fact that if they DID have an all out war, it would be devastating. That's why they need to talk it out like civilized people, cut the nationalistic dick-waving, and NOT have a war.

Quite honestly, the only support for there being a war because of this is USOA-'s OP and I sometimes get the feeling he's living in an alternate universe that is strangely connected to ours via NS where all the ludicrous things he claims are going on actually do happen.

Are you suggesting Hitler wasn't Jewish? :shock:

I had no idea! I must leave the Nazi Party at once! I would never follow a Leader who wasn't one of God's Chosen!

I've got worse news for you: The NSDAP has been disbanded for over 60 years! The party ended before you left!

[Nazi Flower Power]

Israel might be America's golden boy, but when it comes to Turkish national sovereignty, they don't get a free pass out, even if they play the holocaust card.

I'm just hoping the Israelis figure that out sooner rather than later.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Those lands has not always been Turkish, once they were Kurdish, and the people there still is Kurdish, with a unique culture and language, compared to the Turkish. Those lands are only Turkish because you took it by force a long time ago, not because you were the first to settle there and build houses there or anything like that. According to your argument, a third of the world should still be British, because they took it for a long time ago and claimed it "their lands".

Actually I meant, French forces invaded there and we secured them. That's why I said '' gaining '' because we were not even a state when we gained them. Kemalist revolutionary civilian forces fought and won, that's all.

Before us, White people will leave America and Australia, Spanish will leave South America. Then we may think.

"White people" aren't a nationality, and South America already has independence from Spain.

[Kemaliste]

When o.O ?

March 2010.

just for consultations he explains. Not exactly a reaction we saw from the government ? They could say '' we're doing it because we want to show USA that we are really angry '' instead of saying so.

It's a worthless move. Let them close one of American bases if they are so brave to stand against USA ! no, they can't. If they do, USA will clear them off.

[Kemaliste]

Actually I meant, French forces invaded there and we secured them. That's why I said '' gaining '' because we were not even a state when we gained them. Kemalist revolutionary civilian forces fought and won, that's all.

Before us, White people will leave America and Australia, Spanish will leave South America. Then we may think.

"White people" aren't a nationality, and South America already has independence from Spain.

Real owners of South America are clear. They deserve to stay there as much as Turks deserve to keep Southeastern lands.

[Laerod]

March 2010.

just for consultations he explains. Not exactly a reaction we saw from the government ? They could say '' we're doing it because we want to show USA that we are really angry '' instead of saying so.

It's a worthless move. Let them close one of American bases if they are so brave to stand against USA ! no, they can't. If they do, USA will clear them off.

Right. Just for consultations. Lemme guess, you think that the Israelis had the Turkish ambassador to Israel sit on a lower seat because there weren't any higher ones available and there was no Turkish flag because they couldn't find one too, right? It's NEVER just for consultations. Those could have been done over the phone. Recalling an ambassador, even "only for consultations" is a way of sending a message.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I'm sure Turkey's also pissed about how Israel has trained the Kurds in the past.

This won't end well...

And no Turkey wouldn't win

Simply because if worse came to worse Israel would pull out the nukes.

Unless it's getting overrun by an enemy force bent on eradicating every last Israeli, the first time Israel uses nukes will also be the last time Israel uses nukes.

Why? Because at that point they would find themselves be under a total financial and economic embargo, including food and medicine. In the face of such an embargo, Israel could not possibly survive.

If it came to that, they wouldn't deserve to survive.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

These lands were Turkish, are Turkish and will remain Turkish. We gained them by blood and they are given only by blood. Wrong or right, we'll solve it ourself, no one will interfere in this issue.

Those lands has not always been Turkish, once they were Kurdish, and the people there still is Kurdish, with a unique culture and language, compared to the Turkish. Those lands are only Turkish because you took it by force a long time ago, not because you were the first to settle there and build houses there or anything like that. According to your argument, a third of the world should still be British, because they took it for a long time ago and claimed it "their lands".

Then again it worked for the Mexicans.

[Kemaliste]

just for consultations he explains. Not exactly a reaction we saw from the government ? They could say '' we're doing it because we want to show USA that we are really angry '' instead of saying so.

It's a worthless move. Let them close one of American bases if they are so brave to stand against USA ! no, they can't. If they do, USA will clear them off.

Right. Just for consultations. Lemme guess, you think that the Israelis had the Turkish ambassador to Israel sit on a lower seat because there weren't any higher ones available and there was no Turkish flag because they couldn't find one too, right? It's NEVER just for consultations. Those could have been done over the phone. Recalling an ambassador, even "only for consultations" is a way of sending a message.

Foreign ministry showed its stance on the issue while calling Israeli ambassador back. Didn't do the same for USA, though.

Tan has already gone back, but what was changed ? US stepped back or something ? they say, they will not send Israeli ambassador back unless their requests are fullfiled. We don't see the same decisiveness toward USA.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I sometimes get the feeling he's living in an alternate universe that is strangely connected to ours via NS where all the ludicrous things he claims are going on actually do happen.

I sometimes get that feeling too.

Are you suggesting Hitler wasn't Jewish?

I had no idea! I must leave the Nazi Party at once! I would never follow a Leader who wasn't one of God's Chosen!

I've got worse news for you: The NSDAP has been disbanded for over 60 years! The party ended before you left!

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it isn't so!

[Laerod]

Right. Just for consultations. Lemme guess, you think that the Israelis had the Turkish ambassador to Israel sit on a lower seat because there weren't any higher ones available and there was no Turkish flag because they couldn't find one too, right? It's NEVER just for consultations. Those could have been done over the phone. Recalling an ambassador, even "only for consultations" is a way of sending a message.

Foreign ministry showed its stance on the issue while calling Israeli ambassador back. Didn't do the same for USA, though.

Tan has already gone back, but what was changed ? US stepped back or something ? they say, they will not send Israeli ambassador back unless their requests are fullfiled. We don't see the same decisiveness toward USA.

You misunderstand. Recalling an ambassador temporarily is saying "we're not happy". Recalling an ambassador permanently is saying "we don't want to talk to you anymore." It should be obvious to anyone why there's a difference in diplomatic moves regarding a resolution by the US Congress and the Mavi Marmara fiasco.

[The Lone Alliance]

I'm sure Turkey's also pissed about how Israel has trained the Kurds in the past.

This won't end well...

And no Turkey wouldn't win

Simply because if worse came to worse Israel would pull out the nukes.

Unless it's getting overrun by an enemy force bent on eradicating every last Israeli, the first time Israel uses nukes will also be the last time Israel uses nukes.

Which hopefully would never go to that point, it'll just end with Israel sinking any Turkish ship that gets too close.

Why? Because at that point they would find themselves be under a total financial and economic embargo, including food and medicine. In the face of such an embargo, Israel could not possibly survive.

Which will most likely send them off the deep end, and most likely lead to them invading other countries simply to survive.

And if they do fall it thus guarantees that Israel will fire off the rest of their nukes as a final F*** you.

I think I've said it before and I'll say it again, Israel is a PTSD case that believes that everyone is out to get them and that the only way to survive is to hold something hostage.

PS: Not that they wouldn't suffer, if they did use a Nuke they'd end up as isolated as North Korea, but most likely given just enough aid to keep their people alive. They would still suffer from it.

[Laerod]

I've got worse news for you: The NSDAP has been disbanded for over 60 years! The party ended before you left!

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it isn't so!

Here's your communist mop. Time for you to clean up some broken glass.