Turkey Preparing for War with Israel

[AiliailiA]

" UNITED NATIONS — A United Nations review has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal and appropriate but that the way its forces boarded a Turkish-based flotilla trying to break that blockade 15 months ago, killing nine passengers, was excessive and unreasonable."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... sy-results
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/engli ... 02712.html

And I disagree with their interpretation. The activists on the ship came ready for a fight, and they started it. If they're upset with how it ended up, too bad.

Seriously? Knowing they would face the navy and special forces of the IDF, they "came ready for a fight" by arming themselves with iron bars?

If they'd come ready for a fight, they'd have brought surface to air missiles.

The footage released vindicates the commandos by showing that the "activists" were preparing for a fight with weapons hours before the raid. And that they attacked first. And that the captain of the ship asked them to stop resisting.

They attacked first?

What, you mean that they hit the commandos before they technically boarded their vessel? When they were within arms reach of boarding their vessel?

The captain of the ship had not given permission to board. The Israeli special forces were boarding without permission.

And let's not even consider the final toll of injured or dead. Let's concentrate on the barbaric treatment ... beating! ... and throwing overboard! ... of the military personnel under Israeli command who committed an act of piracy.

Let's concentrate on that, not on the killed and injured civilians when the heroic Israelis, who just happened to be there on the ship and flying above in helicopters, defended themselves with the improvised weapons they found lying around.

[The Sicari]

Ok, show us in international law where you can't stop vessels in international waters that have declared their intention to break your blockade.

I'll wait.

i'm not talking about that.
You seem to think Israel only does good and never violated International Law

Well i bring you
This
And This

Now that we've heard this biased opinion, may I mention that the terrorists in Gaza are constantly launching rockets into Israel from civilian occupied locations, which is an act of war as well as human shielding. Israel has every right to blockade Gaza.

Also, Switzerland has been found to have retained money from Jews taken to death camps during WWII that should have been given to surviving relatives. Switzerland may not be the most trustworthy source for this.

I doubt that there will be a war, because Israel does not want another war and, while Turkey wants an end to the blockade, they probably do not want war with Israel. If both sides do not want a war, there generally will not be a war.

[Nazi Israel Land]

You can't see reason. Israel violates International Law. THE UN SAID the Flotilla Attack was Illegal, But you can't accept that.
I just showed examples of Israel violating International law on different occasions.
I'm sorry that israel is not the perfect dream state you want it to be,

The attack was legal. The debate is the level of force.
I'm sorry you have a pathological distrust of Israel. I'm sure your nation's government is far superior.

[Alexiandra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

My words were already referred to this war, but some people love to read by their ass.

Remain calm citizen. Some people also like to argue using the standard lolz tactic.

[Alyakia]

i'm not talking about that.
You seem to think Israel only does good and never violated International Law

Well i bring you
This
And This

Now that we've heard this biased opinion, may I mention that the terrorists in Gaza are constantly launching rockets into Israel from civilian occupied locations, which is an act of war as well as human shielding. Israel has every right to blockade Gaza.

Also, Switzerland has been found to have retained money from Jews taken to death camps during WWII that should have been given to surviving relatives. Switzerland may not be the most trustworthy source for this.

I doubt that there will be a war, because Israel does not want another war and, while Turkey wants an end to the blockade, they probably do not want war with Israel. If both sides do not want a war, there generally will not be a war.

Human shielding?

I challenge everyone in this thread to find the image of the Israelis who tied a young boy a jeep as a human shield.

[Salvarity]

i'm not talking about that.
You seem to think Israel only does good and never violated International Law

Well i bring you
This
And This

Now that we've heard this biased opinion, may I mention that the terrorists in Gaza are constantly launching rockets into Israel from civilian occupied locations, which is an act of war as well as human shielding. Israel has every right to blockade Gaza.

Also, Switzerland has been found to have retained money from Jews taken to death camps during WWII that should have been given to surviving relatives. Switzerland may not be the most trustworthy source for this.

I doubt that there will be a war, because Israel does not want another war and, while Turkey wants an end to the blockade, they probably do not want war with Israel. If both sides do not want a war, there generally will not be a war.

Rlly this swiss are the anti-zionist now.

the swiss.
The More i read this thread.
The more i want to leave

[Nazi Israel Land]

Criminals don't have the same rights to resist as decent people do. The activists went in looking for a fight, they got one and lost. And now they're crying about it. Truly sad excuses for citizens of any country.

Then they were abused after they lost by so called professionals. And managed to somehow get shot in the back of the head. But it's ok bcua dey r criminals n dey were lookin for a fite

They went in armed, they knew what they wanted. I looked at your sources, now you kindly look at mine.

[Kemaliste]

Don't interfere in our internals and I won't as well.

And now we're back into square one of why Turkey shouldn't have been helping these activists to begin with. It is interfering with the internal security of Israel.

How would you like us aiding and arming Kurds?

You have already been doing it. PKK uses some Israeli weapons but it's government's fault as they deal with hamas. It gives a disadvantage for us.

And If some Israeli peace activists went to PKK camps, they would be condemned or critisiced but definitely NOT killed ! There is no tolerance here, maybe they were not right but Israeli army killed our citizens and it will not be forgiven by us.

[The Sicari]

France did not want to fight the war period.

But that's not why they lost.

It was Dunkirk, and the fact that the French officer corps was actually quite awful.

However, the French Army fought quite well in the actual battles, if their strategy left much to be desired.



Keronians: "LOL cheese eating surrender monkeys derp derp"

Their strategy left much to be desired? That is an understatement.

They fortified the border but completely forgot about their border with Belgium, which is where the Germans came from.

Yeah. Dunkirk. Good thing the Germans didn't decide to attack at Dunkirk, or France would have fallen even earlier, and Britain would have been sitting pretty putting all of its eggs into pulling off some sort of miracle.

The French army did no such thing. The French army caved after Dunkirk, quite quickly. Petain and co. agreed to a "peace treaty", which was more or less in line with the opinion of the majority of France at the time.

France could have, easily, continued the battle from Africa. They did not.



Unlike you, I've actually had to study this shit. And what you're saying is complete bullshit. And I fail to see why I would think the French were "surrender monkeys" when they had been completely militarily beaten.

How is this related to the current topic?

[Nazi Israel Land]

committed an act of piracy.

[Alexiandra]

And now we're back into square one of why Turkey shouldn't have been helping these activists to begin with. It is interfering with the internal security of Israel.

How would you like us aiding and arming Kurds?

You have already been doing it. PKK uses some Israeli weapons but it's government's fault as they deal with hamas. It gives a disadvantage for us.

And If some Israeli peace activists went to Kurdish, they would be condemned or critisiced but definitely NOT killed ! There is no tolerance here, maybe they were not right but Israeli army killed our citizens and it will not be forgiven by us.

Yes I have been doing it...I was wondering when you'd catch on that my link made no sense

[Trixiestan]

Not much more silly than "THE REAL VICTIMS HERE ARE THE HEAVILY ARMED AND ARMOURED SOLDIERS A BLOO BLOO BLOO" tbh.

Attacked first. You do realize that boarding a ship armed without consent is in of itsself an attack, right? Ignoring the international waters/at night part.

Criminals don't have the same rights to resist as decent people do. The activists went in looking for a fight, they got one and lost. And now they're crying about it. Truly sad excuses for citizens of any country.

Actually, criminals do have the same rights to resist as decent people. Congratulations, you're bigoted against a minority group!

And now, would you kindly tell us about your views on Nelson Mandela?

[Alyakia]

Then they were abused after they lost by so called professionals. And managed to somehow get shot in the back of the head. But it's ok bcua dey r criminals n dey were lookin for a fite

They went in armed, they knew what they wanted. I looked at your sources, now you kindly look at mine.

That doesn't fucking justify absuing them after the situation was under control and bullets magically finding the way to the back of their heads.

I will when you do what I asked.

[AiliailiA]

Criminals don't have the same rights to resist as decent people do.

Credo of a Nazi.

No-one is a criminal until found so in a court of law. Criminals can be decent, and law-abiding can be indecent. This is propaganda you are spouting.

Your flag is very apt. Jewish Nazism.

You are a disgrace to Zionism!

[Nazi Israel Land]

And now we're back into square one of why Turkey shouldn't have been helping these activists to begin with. It is interfering with the internal security of Israel.

How would you like us aiding and arming Kurds?

You have already been doing it. PKK uses some Israeli weapons but it's government's fault as they deal with hamas. It gives a disadvantage for us.

And If some Israeli peace activists went to PKK camps, they would be condemned or critisiced but definitely NOT killed ! There is no tolerance here, maybe they were not right but Israeli army killed our citizens and it will not be forgiven by us.

Your citizens were warned. They chose to ignore that warning. When you see a fence with a sign that says "20,000 Volts, do not touch," don't blame the fence if your get shocked.

[Augustus Este]

It is interfering with the internal security of Israel.

Internal? Gaza and the West Bank aren't part of Israel.

[Kemaliste]

You have already been doing it. PKK uses some Israeli weapons but it's government's fault as they deal with hamas. It gives a disadvantage for us.

And If some Israeli peace activists went to Kurdish, they would be condemned or critisiced but definitely NOT killed ! There is no tolerance here, maybe they were not right but Israeli army killed our citizens and it will not be forgiven by us.

Yes I have been doing it...I was wondering when you'd catch on that my link made no sense

Collect all of arab armies joined Six Day War, and they will not give you even half strength of Turkish army. The thing I said Turkish army can't be compared to arabs and we've already proved our strength in our indepence war against most powerful armies.

[AiliailiA]

committed an act of piracy.

If the jackboot fits, wear it.

[Salvarity]

committed an act of piracy.

simple questions.


What do you think of Islam?

What do you think of Hitler?

What is your IQ Level?

[Alexiandra]

But in all seriousness, while the Turkish nation may have been strong in the past, it stands no chance against the Israeli war machine. Israel has troops and equipment on par with that of the US.

[Nazi Israel Land]

They went in armed, they knew what they wanted. I looked at your sources, now you kindly look at mine.

That doesn't fucking justify absuing them after the situation was under control and bullets magically finding the way to the back of their heads.

I will when you do what I asked.

What did you ask? I already looked at your sources, now you chose to act obtuse and ignore my source? Why should that encourage me to do anything you ask?

[Nazi Israel Land]

Criminals don't have the same rights to resist as decent people do.

Credo of a Nazi.

Here we go, childish name calling.

[Trixiestan]

simple questions.


What do you think of Islam?

What do you think of Hitler?

What is your IQ Level?

Don't forget:

What do you think of Nelson Mandela?

[Alyakia]

You have already been doing it. PKK uses some Israeli weapons but it's government's fault as they deal with hamas. It gives a disadvantage for us.

And If some Israeli peace activists went to PKK camps, they would be condemned or critisiced but definitely NOT killed ! There is no tolerance here, maybe they were not right but Israeli army killed our citizens and it will not be forgiven by us.

Your citizens were warned. They chose to ignore that warning. When you see a fence with a sign that says "20,000 Volts, do not touch," don't blame the fence if your get shocked.

It's more like if the fence somehow magically shocked you when you stood close to it. Then shocked you again. And again. And again. And again. Then said it was alright to do that to you because you were going to touch it. Then some tit on the internet defended it.

[Nazi Israel Land]

It is interfering with the internal security of Israel.

Internal? Gaza and the West Bank aren't part of Israel.

Well the rockets they shoot become internal concerns, so we have to lump them together.