Turkey Preparing for War with Israel

[Svormannhelm]

The Turkish Army trying to stop Insurgency that's the biggest step in front of the modernization of Eastern Turkey is Cultural Genocide? I can't see how.

The Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own country. Turkey should let them be independent. Trying to make them Turks is cultural genocide, and blaming them for not being "modern" is a cheap cop-out.

We're not trying to make them Turks. We're trying to back them off.

Not all Kurds want their own government. In fact, only %1 of the towns with Kurdish majority actually want the BDP (Party allied with the PKK) to come to power.

[Salvarity]

You need some Common Sense. Or Atleast some knowledge of International Law

Ok, show us in international law where you can't stop vessels in international waters that have declared their intention to break your blockade.

I'll wait.

i'm not talking about that.
You seem to think Israel only does good and never violated International Law

Well i bring you
This
And This

[Kemaliste]

Just to let you guys know, the Kurds are shooting unarmed police officers as they play football, decapitate Turkish soldiers (Two of them got off to the next world that way, poor bastards) and they usually try to lower morale by killing Government Officers (Teachers, doctors, police officers).

The Turkish Army trying to stop Insurgency that's the biggest step in front of the modernization of Eastern Turkey is Cultural Genocide? I can't see how.

(I'm Fischermann btw).

Because it's a minority group that wants independence and sees the modernisations as attempts at Turkifiying the population, isn't that obvious? How would you feel if some guy came into your house and started replacing all your furniture with furniture he liked, rather than yourself? You'd be mad as hell. I'm not going to say I agree with what the Kurds are doing, but I can certainly sort of see why they'd react in that fashion.

Giving up these lands means betraying our martyries. These lands were GAINED by blood, and they shall be given only by blood. All of Turkish people must be erased from the map if somebody claims these lands. Until then, it will stay Turkish forever.

[Nazi Israel Land]

And I disagree with their interpretation. The activists on the ship came ready for a fight, and they started it. If they're upset with how it ended up, too bad.

The footage released vindicates the commandos by showing that the "activists" were preparing for a fight with weapons hours before the raid. And that they attacked first. And that the captain of the ship asked them to stop resisting.

Yeah, tough. Just because what occured didn't match your dreamed-up interpretation of the events, doesn't mean they didn't actually happen. Stop trying to defend a bunch of commandos who attacked flotillas filled with protesters.

And you ignore that the protesters attacked first, even though all the proof shows they did.

Is there any reason I shouldn't just ignore your silliness?

[Farnhamia]

You'll provide sources for those killings, of course. After all, anyone can claim anything.

http://www.voanews.com/turkish/news/Tun ... 41598.html

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I can't find sources, but that shit is all over the news usually (Except the decapitated soldiers thing, for which I can't say anything so it's probably a lie).

The others I back up, however. I see that shit all the time on the news whenever I wake up.

You linked a source in Turkish?

Well, since you see that shit all the time on the news when you wake up, tomorrow morning write down the network it's on and give us a link.

[Alyakia]

" UNITED NATIONS — A United Nations review has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal and appropriate but that the way its forces boarded a Turkish-based flotilla trying to break that blockade 15 months ago, killing nine passengers, was excessive and unreasonable."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... sy-results
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/engli ... 02712.html

And I disagree with their interpretation. The activists on the ship came ready for a fight, and they started it. If they're upset with how it ended up, too bad.

The footage released vindicates the commandos by showing that the "activists" were preparing for a fight with weapons hours before the raid. And that they attacked first. And that the captain of the ship asked them to stop resisting.

Hours before? Really? Let's see this footage then. Specifically, of them preparing for a fight, and not just carrying the ships cargo.

I'm not sure how them being attacked makes it ok for them to abuse people after the situation was under control and bullets magically finding their way to the backs of their heads, but ok.

[Nazi Israel Land]

The Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own country. Turkey should let them be independent. Trying to make them Turks is cultural genocide, and blaming them for not being "modern" is a cheap cop-out.

Saying the citizen of a baby killer government.

Please, Kemaliste, I've come to expect far better retorts from you.

[Alyakia]

Yeah, tough. Just because what occured didn't match your dreamed-up interpretation of the events, doesn't mean they didn't actually happen. Stop trying to defend a bunch of commandos who attacked flotillas filled with protesters.

And you ignore that the protesters attacked first, even though all the proof shows they did.

Is there any reason I shouldn't just ignore your silliness?

Not much more silly than "THE REAL VICTIMS HERE ARE THE HEAVILY ARMED AND ARMOURED SOLDIERS A BLOO BLOO BLOO" tbh.

Attacked first. You do realize that boarding a ship armed without consent is in of itsself an attack, right? Ignoring the international waters/at night part.

[Nazi Israel Land]

Ok, show us in international law where you can't stop vessels in international waters that have declared their intention to break your blockade.

I'll wait.

i'm not talking about that.
You seem to think Israel only does good and never violated International Law

Well i bring you
This
And This

I'm not talking about articles that years old, I'm talking about international law and blockades. Or do you concede that you can't refute it?

[Salvarity]

Saying the citizen of a baby killer government.

Please, Kemaliste, I've come to expect far better retorts from you.

You don't seem to want to see Reason Nazi Israel Land

[Nazi Israel Land]

Because it's a minority group that wants independence and sees the modernisations as attempts at Turkifiying the population, isn't that obvious? How would you feel if some guy came into your house and started replacing all your furniture with furniture he liked, rather than yourself? You'd be mad as hell. I'm not going to say I agree with what the Kurds are doing, but I can certainly sort of see why they'd react in that fashion.

Giving up these lands means betraying our martyries. These lands were GAINED by blood, and they shall be given only by blood. All of Turkish people must be erased from the map if somebody claims these lands. Until then, it will stay Turkish forever.

Wow, and you think Israelis are crazy...

[Kemaliste]

http://www.voanews.com/turkish/news/Tun ... 41598.html

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I can't find sources, but that shit is all over the news usually (Except the decapitated soldiers thing, for which I can't say anything so it's probably a lie).

The others I back up, however. I see that shit all the time on the news whenever I wake up.

You linked a source in Turkish?

Well, since you see that shit all the time on the news when you wake up, tomorrow morning write down the network it's on and give us a link.

Of course he'll give it from a Turkish source ? Do you expect BBC or CNN to show it since it's a small event for the world ? you're talking as if Turks are not reliable and that is so racist, I actually can imagine how kind of person you are when I look at your flag. So I don't surprise.

[Nazi Israel Land]

And I disagree with their interpretation. The activists on the ship came ready for a fight, and they started it. If they're upset with how it ended up, too bad.

The footage released vindicates the commandos by showing that the "activists" were preparing for a fight with weapons hours before the raid. And that they attacked first. And that the captain of the ship asked them to stop resisting.

Hours before? Really? Let's see this footage then. Specifically, of them preparing for a fight, and not just carrying the ships cargo.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2010/Israel_Navy_warns_flotilla_31-May-2010.htm

[Kemaliste]

Giving up these lands means betraying our martyries. These lands were GAINED by blood, and they shall be given only by blood. All of Turkish people must be erased from the map if somebody claims these lands. Until then, it will stay Turkish forever.

Wow, and you think Israelis are crazy...

Don't interfere in our internals and I won't as well.

[Salvarity]

i'm not talking about that.
You seem to think Israel only does good and never violated International Law

Well i bring you
This
And This

I'm not talking about articles that years old, I'm talking about international law and blockades. Or do you concede that you can't refute it?

You can't see reason. Israel violates International Law. THE UN SAID the Flotilla Attack was Illegal, But you can't accept that.
I just showed examples of Israel violating International law on different occasions.
I'm sorry that israel is not the perfect dream state you want it to be,

[Alexiandra]

Lol Turkey will get its ass kicked

You wish.

Somebody compares Turkey with other arabs but we are Turks, who raided Chinese palace with 40 mounted troops !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

[Nazi Israel Land]

And you ignore that the protesters attacked first, even though all the proof shows they did.

Is there any reason I shouldn't just ignore your silliness?

Not much more silly than "THE REAL VICTIMS HERE ARE THE HEAVILY ARMED AND ARMOURED SOLDIERS A BLOO BLOO BLOO" tbh.

Attacked first. You do realize that boarding a ship armed without consent is in of itsself an attack, right? Ignoring the international waters/at night part.

Criminals don't have the same rights to resist as decent people do. The activists went in looking for a fight, they got one and lost. And now they're crying about it. Truly sad excuses for citizens of any country.

[Svormannhelm]

http://www.voanews.com/turkish/news/Tun ... 41598.html

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I can't find sources, but that shit is all over the news usually (Except the decapitated soldiers thing, for which I can't say anything so it's probably a lie).

The others I back up, however. I see that shit all the time on the news whenever I wake up.

You linked a source in Turkish?

Well, since you see that shit all the time on the news when you wake up, tomorrow morning write down the network it's on and give us a link.

Use Google Translate, I'm too arsed to do it myself.

And the shooting teachers thing happened about 6 months ago, IIRC. The unarmed officers shot while playing soccer thing had a teacher shot as well, though.

Also:

http://translate.google.com.tr/translat ... 2F&act=url

Well, they want to take Kahramanmaraş, where the Turkish war for indepence was pretty much started (Hence the name ''Kahramanmaraş'' which means ''Hero Maraş''. It's name was just ''Maraş'', known for making non-melting ice cream).

They haven't even voted for the BDP. And last year's votes show that only 0.14 of the population voted for the DTP (precursor of the BDP. When DTP was closed, everyone working in DTP opened up BDP).

[Zehr-Brunswick]

my only Comment is that i Support Turkey, because, unlike The Israelis, their Foreign Policy doesn't Consist of "are they muslims? yes? Fire the Zion Cannon!"

[Alyakia]

Hours before? Really? Let's see this footage then. Specifically, of them preparing for a fight, and not just carrying the ships cargo.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2010/Israel_Navy_warns_flotilla_31-May-2010.htm

Could you be more specific? The actual time, and what youtube video it seems to be in?

[Kemaliste]

You wish.

Somebody compares Turkey with other arabs but we are Turks, who raided Chinese palace with 40 mounted troops !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

My words were already referred to this war, but some people love to read by their ass.

[Nazi Israel Land]

Please, Kemaliste, I've come to expect far better retorts from you.

You don't seem to want to see Reason Nazi Israel Land

I want to see better retorts, not your view of reason.

[Alyakia]

Not much more silly than "THE REAL VICTIMS HERE ARE THE HEAVILY ARMED AND ARMOURED SOLDIERS A BLOO BLOO BLOO" tbh.

Attacked first. You do realize that boarding a ship armed without consent is in of itsself an attack, right? Ignoring the international waters/at night part.

Criminals don't have the same rights to resist as decent people do. The activists went in looking for a fight, they got one and lost. And now they're crying about it. Truly sad excuses for citizens of any country.

Then they were abused after they lost by so called professionals. And managed to somehow get shot in the back of the head. But it's ok bcua dey r criminals n dey were lookin for a fite

[Nazi Israel Land]

Wow, and you think Israelis are crazy...

Don't interfere in our internals and I won't as well.

And now we're back into square one of why Turkey shouldn't have been helping these activists to begin with. It is interfering with the internal security of Israel.

How would you like us aiding and arming Kurds?

[Salvarity]

Hours before? Really? Let's see this footage then. Specifically, of them preparing for a fight, and not just carrying the ships cargo.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2010/Israel_Navy_warns_flotilla_31-May-2010.htm

Give me Something less Partisan.

thats from the damn Israeli Foreign Ministry