Turkey Preparing for War with Israel

[Galla-]

Personally I think Netanyahu should apologize for the commandos, but the activists should apologize for illegally trying to break the blockade and putting the commandos in that position and trying to kill them.

Defending yourself against illegal actions by a foreign state is "trying to kill them"?

The raid itself was illegal.

Crewmen defending their own lives against the IDF wasn't.

[Nazi Israel Land]

Personally I think Netanyahu should apologize for the commandos, but the activists should apologize for illegally trying to break the blockade and putting the commandos in that position and trying to kill them.

Putting the commandos in that position? Oh for fucks sake.

Apparently you don't understand that running a legal blockade and then attacking the people sent to detain you for acting as a criminal is called putting yourself in that situation.

Unless someone FORCED them to run the blockade and attack the commandos.

[Nazi Israel Land]

Personally I think Netanyahu should apologize for the commandos, but the activists should apologize for illegally trying to break the blockade and putting the commandos in that position and trying to kill them.

Defending yourself against illegal actions by a foreign state is "trying to kill them"?

The raid itself was illegal.

Crewmen defending their own lives against the IDF wasn't.

When you use a gun, as some of them did, yes.

The raid has been confirmed legal.

And so had the crewmen been acting legal themselves, they would never had been in a situation where they needed to "defend themselves"

[Salvarity]

Personally I think Netanyahu should apologize for the commandos, but the activists should apologize for illegally trying to break the blockade and putting the commandos in that position and trying to kill them.

here are the facts


1. The Ship was in International Water
2. The IDF Went into INTERNATIONAL Water to Attack the Ship
3. The IDF Attacked the ship first.
4. Since the IDF Attacked first the Ship had rights to defend itself.
5. The Fact is. The Ship had not run the Blockade YET so for all we know they could have been going to Egypt and had gotten Lost.

[Noders]

To the chap who said Isreal was simple I would like you to get your brain back from storage and start using it.
Isreal is the nation that invented ERA Tar21 And teh Deagle (help of magnum ok) nuff said.
Isreal is the top of the game when it comes to technolgical delvopment medical, scince and military developmet and reasearch. Pease name a highly accurate modern assult rifle the turks made and then please compare it.

[Nazi Israel Land]

Personally I think Netanyahu should apologize for the commandos, but the activists should apologize for illegally trying to break the blockade and putting the commandos in that position and trying to kill them.

here are the facts


1. The Ship was in International Water
2. The IDF Went into INTERNATIONAL Water to Attack the Ship
3. The IDF Attacked the ship first.
4. Since the IDF Attacked first the Ship had rights to defend itself.
5. The Fact is. The Ship had not run the Blockade YET so for all we know they could have been going to Egypt and had gotten Lost.

1. They had announced their intentions to break the legal blockade. If you announce you're going to break down someone's fence, don't be surprised when they try to stop you.
2. See above
3. See above
4. Criminals have the right to give up. Resistance got them what they earned.
5. That's just silly.

[Alyakia]

Putting the commandos in that position? Oh for fucks sake.

Apparently you don't understand that running a legal blockade and then attacking the people sent to detain you for acting as a criminal is called putting yourself in that situation.

Unless someone FORCED them to run the blockade and attack the commandos.

That doesn't explain how they put those commandos in the situation. Unless someone FORCED those commandos to abuse the passengers after the situation was under control.

[Alyakia]

here are the facts


1. The Ship was in International Water
2. The IDF Went into INTERNATIONAL Water to Attack the Ship
3. The IDF Attacked the ship first.
4. Since the IDF Attacked first the Ship had rights to defend itself.
5. The Fact is. The Ship had not run the Blockade YET so for all we know they could have been going to Egypt and had gotten Lost.

1. They had announced their intentions to break the legal blockade. If you announce you're going to break down someone's fence, don't be surprised when they try to stop you.
2. See above
3. See above
4. Criminals have the right to give up. Resistance got them what they earned.
5. That's just silly.

You see, if you're going to raid someone for breaking a blockade you need to wait until they break the blockade.

[Salvarity]

Read this Article Fully

[Trixiestan]

here are the facts


1. The Ship was in International Water
2. The IDF Went into INTERNATIONAL Water to Attack the Ship
3. The IDF Attacked the ship first.
4. Since the IDF Attacked first the Ship had rights to defend itself.
5. The Fact is. The Ship had not run the Blockade YET so for all we know they could have been going to Egypt and had gotten Lost.

1. They had announced their intentions to break the legal blockade. If you announce you're going to break down someone's fence, don't be surprised when they try to stop you.
2. See above
3. See above
4. Criminals have the right to give up. Resistance got them what they earned.
5. That's just silly.

1. They had the right to break down the fence of the smug arsehole who thought he was being clever by building it over his neighbour's garden.
2. Who cares?
3. Seriously, who cares? It's still not justified.
4. lolcriminals. How deliciously rich that is~
5. And yet it's true. They hadn't entered Israeli waters yet and thus the Israeli government shouldn't have even touched the flotillas. All your arguing is doing is legitimising the horrific actions of a state run by genocidal fruitcakes.

[Farnhamia]

Read this Article Fully

How about one that's not as ... partisan?

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Turkey has ended all defense trade relations with Israel.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj





They are claiming the right to put ships in Israeli waters and a right to run a perfectly legal blockade of a terrorist outpost.

Does waters "off Israel" necessarily correlate with Israeli waters?

There is no guarantee they will stay in international waters, especially the way they are talking. Then again there is no certainty, at this point, that they will enter Israeli national waters either.

As I remember, Israel formally annexed Gaza and the West Bank back in the day, though that annexation was never recognized internationally. Turkey could use that to claim the waters off Gaza are not Israeli territory and put their ships there. That could lead to a naval confrontation.
Both Turkey and Israel have a lot of experience with land battles and bombing the homes of civilians. But they have little to no experience in naval combat operations. We can talk about who has what but until it happens we don't know how such a battle between two inexperienced navies will turn out.

The Turks seem to be craving a revival of their old Empire, when they were known as the Ottomans. Hence their threats against Israel and Syria, not to mention their continued violations of Iraqi soveriegnty, though the US government officially condones the latter.

Lest I forget to include there is also a great deal of Turkish interference in the Causcasus Republics, particularly against Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[Nazi Israel Land]

Apparently you don't understand that running a legal blockade and then attacking the people sent to detain you for acting as a criminal is called putting yourself in that situation.

Unless someone FORCED them to run the blockade and attack the commandos.

That doesn't explain how they put those commandos in the situation. Unless someone FORCED those commandos to abuse the passengers after the situation was under control.

You don't understand how the activists announcing their intentions to break a legal military blockade and bringing weapons along caused a confrontation?
That's just sad.

[Nazi Israel Land]

You see, if you're going to raid someone for breaking a blockade you need to wait until they break the blockade.

Or not. Sucks to be them.

[Noders]

Does waters "off Israel" necessarily correlate with Israeli waters?

There is no guarantee they will stay in international waters, especially the way they are talking. Then again there is no certainty, at this point, that they will enter Israeli national waters either.

As I remember, Israel formally annexed Gaza and the West Bank back in the day, though that annexation was never recognized internationally. Turkey could use that to claim the waters off Gaza are not Israeli territory and put their ships there. That could lead to a naval confrontation.
Both Turkey and Israel have a lot of experience with land battles and bombing the homes of civilians. But they have little to no experience in naval combat operations. We can talk about who has what but until it happens we don't know how such a battle between two inexperienced navies will turn out.

The Turks seem to be craving a revival of their old Empire, when they were known as the Ottomans. Hence their threats against Israel and Syria, not to mention their continued violations of Iraqi soveriegnty, though the US government officially condones the latter.

Lest I forget to include there is also a great deal of Turkish interference in the Causcasus Republics, particularly against Armenia and Azerbaijan.

i coulda sworn i said that....

[Alyakia]

That doesn't explain how they put those commandos in the situation. Unless someone FORCED those commandos to abuse the passengers after the situation was under control.

You don't understand how the activists announcing their intentions to break a legal military blockade and bringing weapons along caused a confrontation?
That's just sad.

So, did someone FORCE those soldiers to abuse the passengers after the situation was under control?

[Alyakia]

You see, if you're going to raid someone for breaking a blockade you need to wait until they break the blockade.

Or not. Sucks to be them.

You're lucky karma doesn't exist.

[Salvarity]

You see, if you're going to raid someone for breaking a blockade you need to wait until they break the blockade.

Or not. Sucks to be them.

Nazi ISRAEL Land.


I think the name says Enough

[Nazi Israel Land]

All your arguing is doing is legitimising the horrific actions of a state run by genocidal fruitcakes.

Another person who lacks a decent education, and is apparently a homophobe. The investigations proved that those who resisted were part of a group that had intended to make a show regardless. The other boats passively resisted and no one was hurt.
Stop feeling sorry for terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Personally I think Netanyahu should apologize for the commandos, but the activists should apologize for illegally trying to break the blockade and putting the commandos in that position and trying to kill them.

here are the facts


1. The Ship was in International Water
2. The IDF Went into INTERNATIONAL Water to Attack the Ship
3. The IDF Attacked the ship first.
4. Since the IDF Attacked first the Ship had rights to defend itself.
5. The Fact is. The Ship had not run the Blockade YET so for all we know they could have been going to Egypt and had gotten Lost.

There is nothing in International law that says you must wait for a ship to enter your waters before you can board and search it.

They were planning to run the blockade. The Israelis told them to stop they kept going at full speed, heading in the direction of the Gaza coast. The fact the ship and its passengers widely publicized their intent to run the blockade at all costs, was enough justification for the raid that took place.

[Trixiestan]

You see, if you're going to raid someone for breaking a blockade you need to wait until they break the blockade.

Or not. Sucks to be them.

Yeah. You see, that isn't an argument. That's you being silly and trying to provoke a reaction out of someone. Which is hilarious, since that's exactly what Israel fucking does, and then bawwws when it inevitably gets attacked because of it~

[Egatopia]

Israel commits War Crimes !!

[Nazi Israel Land]

You don't understand how the activists announcing their intentions to break a legal military blockade and bringing weapons along caused a confrontation?
That's just sad.

So, did someone FORCE those soldiers to abuse the passengers after the situation was under control?

Any proof of abuse, other than wilds claims? I mean those "peace activists" tried to abuse wounded Israeli soldiers, so I can't really take their word.

[Alyakia]

All your arguing is doing is legitimising the horrific actions of a state run by genocidal fruitcakes.

Another person who lacks a decent education, and is apparently a homophobe. The investigations proved that those who resisted were part of a group that had intended to make a show regardless. The other boats passively resisted and no one was hurt.
Stop feeling sorry for terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.

"A United Nations review has found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal and appropriate but that the way its forces boarded a Turkish-based flotilla trying to break that blockade 15 months ago, killing nine passengers, was excessive and unreasonable."

Hey, speaking of investigations!

[Salvarity]

All your arguing is doing is legitimising the horrific actions of a state run by genocidal fruitcakes.

Another person who lacks a decent education, and is apparently a homophobe. The investigations proved that those who resisted were part of a group that had intended to make a show regardless. The other boats passively resisted and no one was hurt.
Stop feeling sorry for terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.

HOW IS HE A HOMOPHOBE.

Seems like this has been happening alot.

If you give Stuff to Israel your an ally.

If you tell them how to use the stuff you give them your either
-A Nazi
-Anti-Semitic
-or A Terrorist