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Postby Alyakia » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:01 pm

Empires Empire wrote:
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1) Prove Southern Patriot is biased against Jews.
2) Talk about how half of this thead has been about Armenia and the Kurds.
3) Oh just respond to the various other posts in general really.


1: If you're biased against the Jewish state, which is made up of Jews, you're therefore biased against Jews. Constantly taking any excuse to condemn something, is called bias.
2: Why does that have anything to do with me? Just because you all are going on strange tirades about things that are totally irrelevant to Israeli Turkish relations is not my fault. There's biased nonsense in all groups.
3: I'm just responding to the fun ones.

1) Does this mean that Jews who protest against Israeli policy (CLEARLY BIAS. BIAS BIAS BIAS) are self hating Jews? Also, could you prove this bias?
2) You've said before this was "let's all hate Israel" thread, which is clearly bullshit.
3) At least you aren't shy admitting that you're cherry picking posts to reply to after your regular "i'm leaving now seriously guys" posts.
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Postby Southern Patriots » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:02 pm

Empires Empire wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
1) Prove Southern Patriot is biased against Jews.
2) Talk about how half of this thead has been about Armenia and the Kurds.
3) Oh just respond to the various other posts in general really.


1: If you're biased against the Jewish state, which is made up of Jews, you're therefore biased against Jews. Constantly taking any excuse to condemn something, is called bias.

The Jewish state? Can you see the ignorance you spew? What right do Zionists have to speak for the Jews?
Guess what, buddy, Jews do not agree with you. Are they biased against Jews?

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Postby Salvarity » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:03 pm

Empires Empire wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
1) Prove Southern Patriot is biased against Jews.
2) Talk about how half of this thead has been about Armenia and the Kurds.
3) Oh just respond to the various other posts in general really.


1: If you're biased against the Jewish state, which is made up of Jews, you're therefore biased against Jews. Constantly taking any excuse to condemn something, is called bias.
2: Why does that have anything to do with me? Just because you all are going on strange tirades about things that are totally irrelevant to Israeli Turkish relations is not my fault. There's biased nonsense in all groups.
3: I'm just responding to the fun ones.



i just love how completely biased people. ALWAYS blame other people of being biased.
YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT LIFE. RAMMING AN INTERNATIONAL WORLD GOVERNMENT VEHICLE IS ILLEGAL
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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:04 pm

Fellrike wrote:Why are there still references to "occupied" Palestinian territories? The Gaza Strip and the West Bank are entirely free from Israeli occupation, and have been for some time. There is no "occupation." There is a naval cordon, but that's a different thing altogether, and has been recognized as lawful by the UN.
Also, why the insistence on sneaking aid through to Gaza, without allowing an Israeli inspection? Why can't humanitarian aid be sent through the land border, and checked for prohibited items? Or, if submitting to Israeli scrutiny rankles IHH pride, why can't an aid flotilla allow inspection by the navy of some third country, chosen for its impartiality, and agreeable to both sides? There has to be some kind of solution - anything is better than a new war in the Med.
A flotilla acompanied by Turkish (and perhaps even Iranian Pasdaran) warships is bound to provoke Israel.



Because this has nothing to do with that pesky 'reality' thing where there is no occupation to begin with even if there were 'palestinians', which there aren't. People are just reciting rhetoric they've been programmed to repeat. Most of it not even at all based on valid intelligence about the region. Others are just looking for an excuse to say something bad about Israel, because they dislike Jews or because it's trendy in their circle.

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Postby Keronians » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:06 pm

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Anemos Major wrote:In normal countries, main battle tanks don't ram vehicles because they have right of way.

We're not crying.


Yes you are. You're being an emo, over a traffic collision. Oh wow he got a bent fender, let's all cry about it and scream ISRAEL IS EVIL! You guys really need a hobby. Go, outside, srsly.


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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:08 pm

Southern Patriots wrote:Guess what, buddy, Jews do not agree with you. Are they biased against Jews?


Oh look, he brought up the traitor-squad. Ya, the same guys who petitioned (and caused) their US govt democrat allies during WW2 to not bomb the rail links to auschwitz, and to deny immigration to Jews fleeing from Hitler. They're your buddies huh, the erev rav? Good luck with that, you know, there's even larger groups of Americans who swear allegiance to the Nazi Reich still today in single states alone than all the erev rav you can find me to do your 'jews against Israel' thing. Even more than that would swear allegiance upon a Soviet flag.
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Postby Salvarity » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:08 pm

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Fellrike wrote:Why are there still references to "occupied" Palestinian territories? The Gaza Strip and the West Bank are entirely free from Israeli occupation, and have been for some time. There is no "occupation." There is a naval cordon, but that's a different thing altogether, and has been recognized as lawful by the UN.
Also, why the insistence on sneaking aid through to Gaza, without allowing an Israeli inspection? Why can't humanitarian aid be sent through the land border, and checked for prohibited items? Or, if submitting to Israeli scrutiny rankles IHH pride, why can't an aid flotilla allow inspection by the navy of some third country, chosen for its impartiality, and agreeable to both sides? There has to be some kind of solution - anything is better than a new war in the Med.
A flotilla acompanied by Turkish (and perhaps even Iranian Pasdaran) warships is bound to provoke Israel.



Because this has nothing to do with that pesky 'reality' thing where there is no occupation to begin with even if there were 'palestinians', which there aren't. People are just reciting rhetoric they've been programmed to repeat. Most of it not even at all based on valid intelligence about the region. Others are just looking for an excuse to say something bad about Israel, because they dislike Jews or because it's trendy in their circle.



if you read between the lines you would notice this guy is just talking crap.

If they're were no palestinians who the bloody hell is in palestine.
Also if they're are no Palestinians who the bloody hell did the zionist push out of there homes
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:09 pm

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Southern Patriots wrote:Guess what, buddy, Jews do not agree with you. Are they biased against Jews?


Oh look, he brought up the traitor-squad. Ya, the same guys who petitioned (and caused) their US govt democrat allies during WW2 to not bomb the rail links to auschwitz, and to deny immigration to Jews fleeing from Hitler. They're your buddies huh, the erev rav? Good luck with that, you know, there's even larger groups of Americans who swear allegiance to the Nazi Reich still today in single states alone than all the erev rav you can find me to do your 'jews against Israel' thing. Even more than that would swear allegiance upon a Soviet flag.

Please tell me more about the TRAITOR-SQUAD (not emo or biased) during WWII. I trust you have plenty of good sources for them.
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Postby Salvarity » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:09 pm

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Southern Patriots wrote:Guess what, buddy, Jews do not agree with you. Are they biased against Jews?


Oh look, he brought up the traitor-squad. Ya, the same guys who petitioned (and caused) their US govt democrat allies during WW2 to not bomb the rail links to auschwitz, and to deny immigration to Jews fleeing from Hitler. They're your buddies huh, the erev rav? Good luck with that, you know, there's even larger groups of Americans who swear allegiance to the Nazi Reich still today in single states alone than all the erev rav you can find me to do your 'jews against Israel' thing. Even more than that would swear allegiance upon a Soviet flag.



aren't they're only like 11m Jews in the world and Israel is not the true jewish state. They're are more Jews in America. learn facts
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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:10 pm

Salvarity wrote:i just love how completely biased people. ALWAYS blame other people of being biased.
YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT LIFE. RAMMING AN INTERNATIONAL WORLD GOVERNMENT VEHICLE IS ILLEGAL


Our government vehicle rammed your government vehicle because your government vehicle driver doesn't know how to drive, and shouldn't be in the middle of a conflict zone they're "not participating" in. Not sure how this qualifies as 'illegal' under what magical one world government super-court you imagine, but hey OK. Have fun with that, in the meantime, learn how to drive please.

Salvarity wrote:aren't they're only like 11m Jews in the world and Israel is not the true jewish state. They're are more Jews in America. learn facts


That's really not for you to decide what's the Jewish state and what isn't. If America want's to become a Jewish state then that would sure keep Rabbi's busy with conversion for a long time, but last I checked they're Christians, with a minority population of a few million Jews outnumbered at a ratio of 150:1.
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Postby Southern Patriots » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:13 pm

Empires Empire wrote:
Southern Patriots wrote:Guess what, buddy, Jews do not agree with you. Are they biased against Jews?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahHIOMwEL_o

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Oh look, he brought up the traitor-squad.

That's the best response you have? Jews who disagree are traitors?
You sound like a Nazi. Germans who oppose National Socialism are traitors to the Reich. Jews who oppose Zionism are traitors to Judaism.

I hope you see the stupidity of what you're saying. :palm:

Zionism is racism. http://youtu.be/ufG-s1yOxXQ

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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:16 pm

Southern Patriots wrote:That's the best response you have? Jews who disagree are traitors?
You sound like a Nazi. Germans who oppose National Socialism are traitors to the Reich. Jews who oppose Zionism are traitors to Judaism.

I hope you see the stupidity of what you're saying. :palm:


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So yes, they're traitors. Silly nazi comparisons wont help you. If you betray your own people's well being and call for them to be "pushed into the sea", you're a traitor.

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:18 pm

Empires Empire wrote:
Southern Patriots wrote:That's the best response you have? Jews who disagree are traitors?
You sound like a Nazi. Germans who oppose National Socialism are traitors to the Reich. Jews who oppose Zionism are traitors to Judaism.

I hope you see the stupidity of what you're saying. :palm:


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trai·tor
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So yes, they're traitors. Silly nazi comparisons wont help you. If you betray your own people's well being and call for them to be "pushed into the sea", you're a traitor.

The first definition fails because they can't betray something they never followed.
The second definition fails because they are not necessarily Israeli. Unless you're calling them race-traitors?


Source for NKUSA and the like calling for Jews to be pushed into the sea. tia.
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Postby Fellrike » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:18 pm

Because hemming them in is as good as occupying the place, Fellrike.

And humanitarian aid can be brought in. But shouldn't the Israelis just remove weapons if they're there and let everything else through? What gives them the right to choose if Palestinians get building materials from Egypt or not?

Anemos Major, I've got no answer for you. I don't know why the Israelis don't want construction materials to reach Gaza. Maybe one of our Israeli members can tell us the reason for this prohibition?

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Postby Keronians » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:19 pm

Fellrike wrote:Because hemming them in is as good as occupying the place, Fellrike.

And humanitarian aid can be brought in. But shouldn't the Israelis just remove weapons if they're there and let everything else through? What gives them the right to choose if Palestinians get building materials from Egypt or not?

Anemos Major, I've got no answer for you. I don't know why the Israelis don't want construction materials to reach Gaza. Maybe one of our Israeli members can tell us the reason for this prohibition?


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Salvarity wrote:i just love how completely biased people. ALWAYS blame other people of being biased.
YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT LIFE. RAMMING AN INTERNATIONAL WORLD GOVERNMENT VEHICLE IS ILLEGAL


Our government vehicle rammed your government vehicle because your government vehicle driver doesn't know how to drive, and shouldn't be in the middle of a conflict zone they're "not participating" in. Not sure how this qualifies as 'illegal' under what magical one world government super-court you imagine, but hey OK. Have fun with that, in the meantime, learn how to drive please.




isn't israel part of the UN.

Doesn't israel have to listen to UN Regulation.

weren't the UN vehicles there to help civilians that your government doesn't care about it
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Postby Southern Patriots » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:21 pm

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Southern Patriots wrote:That's the best response you have? Jews who disagree are traitors?
You sound like a Nazi. Germans who oppose National Socialism are traitors to the Reich. Jews who oppose Zionism are traitors to Judaism.

I hope you see the stupidity of what you're saying. :palm:


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So yes, they're traitors. Silly nazi comparisons wont help you. If you betray your own people's well being and call for them to be "pushed into the sea", you're a traitor.


Their people are Jews. Zionists are not all Jews. Israel does not speak for all the Jews. Zionists offered to fight alongside Nazi Germany during the Second World War.

If anything, Zionists sound like the traitors to Judaism and their God. I've heard Jews say that Israel is a false state because it is not supposed to be recreated until the Messiah arrives.

So it sounds like you're the traitor to Judaism.

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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:21 pm

Fellrike wrote:Because hemming them in is as good as occupying the place, Fellrike.

And humanitarian aid can be brought in. But shouldn't the Israelis just remove weapons if they're there and let everything else through? What gives them the right to choose if Palestinians get building materials from Egypt or not?

Anemos Major, I've got no answer for you. I don't know why the Israelis don't want construction materials to reach Gaza. Maybe one of our Israeli members can tell us the reason for this prohibition?


Simple answer is that the majority of concrete and lead/copper pipe and rebar and raw metals are usually used for creating enhanced fortifications for Hamas militants, and in creating their qassam homemade rockets. These things are 90% of the time appropriated for military purposes by Hamas, instead of ever being used for civillian construction, when they did enter Gaza.

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seems Israel is the Nazi Germany of Today


when the Nazis massacred Jews the disease spread. Now the Disease is back to full strength within Israel. Or is that another problem Empires Empire
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Postby Salvarity » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:24 pm

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Fellrike wrote:Because hemming them in is as good as occupying the place, Fellrike.

And humanitarian aid can be brought in. But shouldn't the Israelis just remove weapons if they're there and let everything else through? What gives them the right to choose if Palestinians get building materials from Egypt or not?

Anemos Major, I've got no answer for you. I don't know why the Israelis don't want construction materials to reach Gaza. Maybe one of our Israeli members can tell us the reason for this prohibition?


Simple answer is that the majority of concrete and lead/copper pipe and rebar and raw metals are usually used for creating enhanced fortifications for Hamas militants, and in creating their qassam homemade rockets. These things are 90% of the time appropriated for military purposes by Hamas, instead of ever being used for civillian construction, when they did enter Gaza.



you got it mixed up.


Hamas may be douches but they still got some good.
90% of Material goes the civilian. less than 10% goes to the military
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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:27 pm

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Their people are Jews. Zionists are not all Jews. Israel does not speak for all the Jews. Zionists offered to fight alongside Nazi Germany during the Second World War.

If anything, Zionists sound like the traitors to Judaism and their God. I've heard Jews say that Israel is a false state because it is not supposed to be recreated until the Messiah arrives.

So it sounds like you're the traitor to Judaism.


Wow, that is so completely biased and insane. I will not even begin to debunk your mythology. You have no right to say who's a traitor to what. Nor to interpret Torah and Talmud, which you never even read. You know NOTHING of what you speak, only that some crazies on some palestinian propaganda side "art intifada" posted a picture of some crazy "jews" who you looked up and found out there's like a couple hundred of these guys in the known universe who pal around with terrorists who regularly murder Jews and think this is OK because theyre just killing Jews they disagree with on a matter of religious doctrine but cant kill themselves without getting "blood on their hands" known as the erev rav. Jewish Jew-haters. Oh you'll use them to your ends alright, anything you can get your hands on. You live in an insane world, and you have no right in the least to decide who's a traitor to anything. I'm done with speaking to you, in general. Go back to your high school debate team and spout this stuff because its so nonsensical I will not continue to validate you with my response.

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Postby East Vandengaarde » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:28 pm

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Fellrike wrote:Because hemming them in is as good as occupying the place, Fellrike.

And humanitarian aid can be brought in. But shouldn't the Israelis just remove weapons if they're there and let everything else through? What gives them the right to choose if Palestinians get building materials from Egypt or not?

Anemos Major, I've got no answer for you. I don't know why the Israelis don't want construction materials to reach Gaza. Maybe one of our Israeli members can tell us the reason for this prohibition?


Simple answer is that the majority of concrete and lead/copper pipe and rebar and raw metals are usually used for creating enhanced fortifications for Hamas militants, and in creating their qassam homemade rockets. These things are 90% of the time appropriated for military purposes by Hamas, instead of ever being used for civillian construction, when they did enter Gaza.

You haven't sourced anything yet. Now would be a good time to start.

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Postby Empires Empire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:29 pm

Salvarity wrote:seems Israel is the Nazi Germany of Today


when the Nazis massacred Jews the disease spread. Now the Disease is back to full strength within Israel. Or is that another problem Empires Empire



Yah, not debating further with someone who just says "Israel are Nazis." you're completely insane if that's what you think. I'm hoping its just that you know the truth and are just lying to cover hatred. That's probably wishful thinking though, you probably do live in fantasy land. Done here with you also.

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:29 pm

Empires Empire wrote:
Southern Patriots wrote:
Their people are Jews. Zionists are not all Jews. Israel does not speak for all the Jews. Zionists offered to fight alongside Nazi Germany during the Second World War.

If anything, Zionists sound like the traitors to Judaism and their God. I've heard Jews say that Israel is a false state because it is not supposed to be recreated until the Messiah arrives.

So it sounds like you're the traitor to Judaism.


Wow, that is so completely biased and insane. I will not even begin to debunk your mythology. You have no right to say who's a traitor to what. Nor to interpret Torah and Talmud, which you never even read. You know NOTHING of what you speak, only that some crazies on some palestinian propaganda side "art intifada" posted a picture of some crazy "jews" who you looked up and found out there's like a couple hundred of these guys in the known universe who pal around with terrorists who regularly murder Jews and think this is OK because theyre just killing Jews they disagree with on a matter of religious doctrine but cant kill themselves without getting "blood on their hands" known as the erev rav. Jewish Jew-haters. Oh you'll use them to your ends alright, anything you can get your hands on. You live in an insane world, and you have no right in the least to decide who's a traitor to anything. I'm done with speaking to you, in general. Go back to your high school debate team and spout this stuff because its so nonsensical I will not continue to validate you with my response.

BIASED BIASED BIASED

And you DO have the right to arbitarily declare who is a traitor and who is not?

Show us some examples of these Jewish-Jew haters hanging around with Jew killers and killing Jews, who they want to be pushed out to the sea.
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