Why Is Life So Unfair?

by **Conserative Morality** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:03 am

Keronians wrote:What point is there in life otherwise?

Everything we do is an attempt to become happier.

Maybe everything you do is an attempt to become happier. If you can see no other point in life other than happiness, I have little common ground with you.

by **Girkil** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:07 am

by **Nightkill the Emperor** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:10 am

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Sadly, I think he's serious.

by **Person012345** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:10 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Keronians wrote:What point is there in life otherwise?

Everything we do is an attempt to become happier.

Maybe everything you do is an attempt to become happier. If you can see no other point in life other than happiness, I have little common ground with you.

From my point of view, happiness is the point of life. Not only your own, to increase happiness overall is best. What other point is there?

by **Conserative Morality** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:12 am

Person012345 wrote:From my point of view, happiness is the point of life. Not only your own, to increase happiness overall is best. What other point is there?

Ideology, philosophy, and religion have all tried to answer that, and have all came up with different answers.

by **Person012345** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:13 am

Risna wrote:*snip*

Why would life be fair? Life is a competition, not a reasonable being. In that competition there are winners and loosers. As humans, with our ability to make things "fairer", we should (morally, from my point of view). The problem being that everyone has their own ideas of what is fair, and also whether they should make thigns fairer.

by **Person012345** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:15 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Person012345 wrote:From my point of view, happiness is the point of life. Not only your own, to increase happiness overall is best. What other point is there?

Ideology, philosophy, and religion have all tried to answer that, and have all came up with different answers.

Please expand on the "ideology and philosophy" points. Most ideologies and philosiphies aim to increase happiness, at least for a certain section of society.

Religion (or most I know of) says that the point of life is to make god happy (or the spirit, or w/e).

by **Tolerant Puberty** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:19 am

It's because it's a circle, the parents are born poor and have a bad youth, then their children have a bad youth etc.

Ofcourse there are some examples what deny this, but mostly it is.

by **Georgizm** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:19 am

Basically it's because of original sin.

by **Conserative Morality** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:19 am

Person012345 wrote:Please expand on the "ideology and philosophy" points. Most ideologies and philosiphies aim to increase happiness, at least for a certain section of society.

There is something better for us in the world than happiness. We will take happiness as the incident of this, gladly and gratefully. We will add a thousand fold to the happiness of the present in the fearlessness of the future which it brings; but we will not place happiness first, and thus cloud our heads with doubts, and fill our hearts with discontent. In the blackest soils 'grow the richest flowers, and the loftiest and strongest trees spring heavenward among the rocks.

Ideology and philosophy don't always have such aims.

Religion says that the point of life is to make god happy.

Brethren, happiness is not our being's end and aim. The Christian's aim is perfection, not happiness; and every one of the sons of God must have something of that spirit which marked his Master.

by **Tolerant Puberty** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:20 am

Person012345 wrote:
Risna wrote:*snip*

Why would life be fair? Life is a competition, not a reasonable being. In that competition there are winners and loosers. As humans, with our ability to make things "fairer", we should (morally, from my point of view). The problem being that everyone has their own ideas of what is fair, and also whether they should make thigns fairer.

So parents can not intervere with a childrens demands and dreams

by **Imsogone** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:21 am

In the wise words of Frazz "life isn't unfair, it's arbitrary."

Fairness is an artificial construct, it has no meaning in nature.

by **Person012345** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:21 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Please expand on the "ideology and philosophy" points. Most ideologies and philosiphies aim to increase happiness, at least for a certain section of society.

There is something better for us in the world than happiness. We will take happiness as the incident of this, gladly and gratefully. We will add a thousand fold to the happiness of the present in the fearlessness of the future which it brings; but we will not place happiness first, and thus cloud our heads with doubts, and fill our hearts with discontent. In the blackest soils 'grow the richest flowers, and the loftiest and strongest trees spring heavenward among the rocks.

Ideology and philosophy don't always have such aims.

What is that ideology you posted, and what does it emphasise?

Religion says that the point of life is to make god happy.

Brethren, happiness is not our being's end and aim. The Christian's aim is perfection, not happiness; and every one of the sons of God must have something of that spirit which marked his Master.

Why is the aim perfection? As far as I knew in christian theology, the point of being perfect is because it pleases god.

by **Person012345** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:22 am

Tolerant Puberty wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Why would life be fair? Life is a competition, not a reasonable being. In that competition there are winners and loosers. As humans, with our ability to make things "fairer", we should (morally, from my point of view). The problem being that everyone has their own ideas of what is fair, and also whether they should make thigns fairer.

So parents can not intervere with a childrens demands and dreams

What?

by **Michael Kenmore** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:22 am

I used to wonder why life wasn't fair, but then it occured to me that if life was fair then I'd probably be far worse off than I am now. Now I take great satisfaction in the general unfairness of life.

Seriously though, all your statements and the answers are explained in great detail in the bible. It's a faith thing, that God will make everything better eventually. Works for some people... doesn't work for most.

by **Tolerant Puberty** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:23 am

Person012345 wrote:
Tolerant Puberty wrote:
So parents can not intervere with a childrens demands and dreams

What?

If life is a competition then no one would be friends

by **Syvorji** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:23 am

It is unfair, because we have not started pretending the past didn't happen, since it solves your bad dreams. It only makes you smarter.

by **Conserative Morality** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:23 am

Imsogone wrote:In the wise words of Frazz "life isn't unfair, it's arbitrary."

Fairness is an artificial construct, it has no meaning in nature.

Fairness does largely apply to life, due to the unfairness that arises from human action.

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:23 am

Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?

It appears to you unfair. This is no fault of yours; quite the opposite. You have a conscience, and if you tend it you can go anywhere and do anything.

A strong and well-kept conscience won't protect you from people with bad intentions, but it will endear you to people with good intentions ... and if you faith as I do that most people are good then you will see that you have more allies than enemies. A good conscience and good intentions, together, are your license to change the world.

From down in the hole I have dug, to protect the world from my bad intentions, I wish you luck and bid you go forth. Do what you can to make the world more fair!

(um, that was kind of dorky I know .. some personal crisis at this end .. should go off-forum for a while)

by **Conserative Morality** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:24 am

Person012345 wrote:What is that ideology you posted, and what does it emphasise?

It was written by a poet, and was not exactly part of an organized worldview so much as a personal philosophy.

Why is the aim perfection? As far as I knew in christian theology, the point of being perfect is because it pleases god.

Why is the aim perfection? That's like asking why the aim is happiness. They're both just goals.

by **Person012345** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:25 am

Georgizm wrote:Basically it's because of original sin.

This is also true. We all know that the real reason is that our loving, forgiving father needs to punish us all horribly because one of our distant ancestors didn't obey him flawlessly (hey, it doesnt matter that they were incapable of differentiating right and wrong and so didn't know that disobeying god was bad, they did the crime, so now we're doing the time).

by **Imsogone** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:27 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Imsogone wrote:In the wise words of Frazz "life isn't unfair, it's arbitrary."

Fairness is an artificial construct, it has no meaning in nature.

Fairness does largely apply to life, due to the unfairness that arises from human action.

Look at the natural world. Some animals die horribly, some don't. Fires burn, draughts kill plants. Predators kill prey and eat it. There's nothing fair or unfair, it just is. Human action tries to counter this and fails. Maybe instead of trying to force fairness, we should just stop getting in the way.

by **Georgizm** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:27 am

Person012345 wrote:
Georgizm wrote:Basically it's because of original sin.

This is also true. We all know that the real reason is that our loving, forgiving father needs to punish us all horribly because one of our distant ancestors didn't obey him flawlessly (hey, it doesnt matter that they were incapable of differentiating right and wrong and so didn't know that disobeying god was bad, they did the crime, so now we're doing the time).

Exactly, and it's better that He punishes us now rather than for eternity in hell.

So really the starving Africans are getting off lightly.

by **Michael Kenmore** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:28 am

Person012345 wrote:
Georgizm wrote:Basically it's because of original sin.

This is also true. We all know that the real reason is that our loving, forgiving father needs to punish us all horribly because one of our distant ancestors didn't obey him flawlessly (hey, it doesnt matter that they were incapable of differentiating right and wrong and so didn't know that disobeying god was bad, they did the crime, so now we're doing the time).

But now it's a choice. Follow God and you have faith to guide you and trust that God will correct everything. Otherwise, you have a choice to do what you please and see what human beings can do for themselves.

by **Tolerant Puberty** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:28 am

As long as we strive for perfection we won't accomplish anything. Just see in that not anything works for 100% but only for 99,9999%.

Hey, I believe in world peace, but heck, I joined the army. Life is not unfair, but as long you strive for perfection, it will never be fair. Just be happy with what you got. Your friends, family and perhaps your little pocket of moneh.

And wth does Christian theology do with this?

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