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Postby Mosasauria » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:25 pm

Suidwes-Afrika wrote:
South Asia Minor wrote:Of course I do, and there are plenty of people that aren't. I never said I hated my life.


But....you just claimed that rainbows are lies and puppies never shut up.

Gracious, what colour is the sky in your world?

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Postby South Asia Minor » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:26 pm

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South Asia Minor wrote:If God's up there he's in a cold dark room
The heavenly host are just the cold dark moons
He bent down and made the world in seven days
And ever since he's been a' walking away
Mixing with nitrogen in lonely holes
Where neither seraphim or raindrops go
I see an old man wandering the halls alone
Only a full house gonna make a home

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Leaving me to doubt
All about God and his mercy
for if he truly does exist
Why did he desert me
In my hour of need?
I truly am indeed
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Postby South Asia Minor » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:28 pm

Archnar wrote:Whach the Zietgiest Movies and all will be clear

The entire message of the Zeitgeist movies is that the man has been keeping us down for millenia. It's nothing new.
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Leaving me to doubt
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Why did he desert me
In my hour of need?
I truly am indeed
Alone again, naturally.

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Postby Strykla » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:31 pm

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Person012345 wrote:For me it's currently black. Black as the human heart.


Don't you mean black as human nature? Not all humans have completely black hearts, you know, but nature is something else entirely.

My own sky, I believe, happens to be olive, with streaks of crimson.

I'd say I'm rather gray. Well, For me it's generally grey and grey morality.
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Postby Kleomentia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:34 pm

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Postby Quelesh » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:58 pm

Person012345 wrote:Life is a competition


In my view, life need not be a competition. Life is only a competition because we make it so.

Georgizm wrote:So really the starving Africans are getting off lightly.


But aren't the starving Africans also going to Hell to experience hideous tortures for all eternity because they haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior?
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:04 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Not acting =/= not caring. As I said, there's a big difference between putting it out of your mind because you have to function and outright not caring.

So, if I dont care if a beggar is starving to death; it is equal to me putting a knife through him?

If he's starving to death and you know him, but don't help, sure. You can't help people you don't know, nor can you care about them. If you don't care about the problem of starving, and would be absolutely content to let it continue even if you had the easy opportunity to stop it, then sure, morally speaking that's as bad as starving them to death yourself. If you never get the easy chance to stop it, then we'll never know whether you care slightly or not.

Person012345 wrote:Can =/= deserve to. I could kill someone, doesn't mean it's morally ok.

If you can and wish to - then it is fine as well... provided you can do it properly.

No, it isn't. If I stole your car from you, and got away with it, you would consider that to be absolutely morally fine?

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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:08 pm

Quelesh wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Life is a competition


In my view, life need not be a competition. Life is only a competition because we make it so.

Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.

What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole). We have taken many steps towards lessening the harsh results for the losers though, in some areas.
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Postby Wiztopia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:08 pm

Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?

There is no peace. People fight wars over the stupidest thing! When we kill a solider, we affect the lives of a hundred people that knew him. People hate one another, more then they love life. We would rather eliminate our "enemy" then try to make peace. We would rather die for a cause then suffer in patience, we will not allow understanding.

There is no justice. When wrongs are done, there is no retribution. Those who play by the rules get beaten by the ones who cheat. People steal and lie and step on other people to get ahead. And then the person who was screwed then steps on another person and the cycle continues.

Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?

And i am only talking about people in western countries who have a choice how to life. There are billions of people out there who dont even have FOOD! Millions of people are dying ever day because they dont have the basic nessesities of life. Beautifull amazing people, who could become so much are stopped so quickly, their lives extinguished and they are forgoteen, forever....

Here is America there are people who eat more food then they should and then in Asia there are people who are starving to death.

Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless. We can do nothing to avoid our fate. We must struggle and die but we have it worse then the other animals. We can see the suffering around us, we can understand how it feels and we know we can do nothing about it. The animals are so focused on their own survival they can not feel this pain. Ignorance truly is bliss!

I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now. Your thoughts?


Your definition of "having it good" and "being screwed" are asinine. Just because somebody has money/is rich does not mean they are happy. Same thing with the poor not being happy with what they have.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:14 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:So, if I dont care if a beggar is starving to death; it is equal to me putting a knife through him?

If he's starving to death and you know him, but don't help, sure. You can't help people you don't know, nor can you care about them.

And... I generally dont know those starving and I highly doubt French Union knows millions starving for him to have his current living standards...

If you don't care about the problem of starving, and would be absolutely content to let it continue even if you had the easy opportunity to stop it, then sure, morally speaking that's as bad as starving them to death yourself. If you never get the easy chance to stop it, then we'll never know whether you care slightly or not.

Now it would rather depend on how "easy" we are talking about, doesn't it? If I just had to press a button and give nothing of mine - sure (not cos I care about it, but more like - why not)... however if I have to send a message and give anything - no.

Person012345 wrote:Can =/= deserve to. I could kill someone, doesn't mean it's morally ok.

If you can and wish to - then it is fine as well... provided you can do it properly.

No, it isn't. If I stole your car from you, and got away with it, you would consider that to be absolutely morally fine?[/quote]
I will try to track you down and get furious... but if you could really get away with it - then that car now belongs to you.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:15 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Quelesh wrote:
In my view, life need not be a competition. Life is only a competition because we make it so.

Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.

What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole).

Or because lack of competition is undesirable?
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Postby Sol Bella » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:16 pm

It SHOULD be fair, really it's everyone in the world telling themselves that: "Life isn't fair for me, I shouldn't make it so for other people."

If everyone thought in fairness, it wouldn't be so.
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It's cause the King of Nigeria is a tightwad with his cash. :unsure:
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:20 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:If he's starving to death and you know him, but don't help, sure. You can't help people you don't know, nor can you care about them.

And... I generally dont know those starving and I highly doubt French Union knows millions starving for him to have his current living standards...

No-one said he did. The argument with French Union I believe has been resolved - he admitted to his outlook being morally wrong, which to me implies he understands why it should be different, regardless of whether it is or not.

If you don't care about the problem of starving, and would be absolutely content to let it continue even if you had the easy opportunity to stop it, then sure, morally speaking that's as bad as starving them to death yourself. If you never get the easy chance to stop it, then we'll never know whether you care slightly or not.

Now it would rather depend on how "easy" we are talking about, doesn't it? If I just had to press a button and give nothing of mine - sure (not cos I care about it, but more like - why not)... however if I have to send a message and give anything - no.

$10 to solve all poverty in the world (100% guaranteed). Would you do it?

Person012345 wrote:No, it isn't. If I stole your car from you, and got away with it, you would consider that to be absolutely morally fine?

I will try to track you down and get furious... but if you could really get away with it - then that car now belongs to you.

If you genuinely believe that, fair enough. I can actually accept moral codes that say that nothing is immoral. I don't agree, but we all have different views.

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Postby Dai Coon Ree » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:22 pm

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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:23 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.

What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole).

Or because lack of competition is undesirable?

and/or deluded (as a whole)

Note that the statement was highly bigoted, and I don't really care since we both know how a discussion down that road will end. Take it for what it was, not an invitation for argument but a "imo".

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Postby South Asia Minor » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:24 pm

Malgrave wrote:It's cause the King of Nigeria is a tightwad with his cash. :unsure:

Not if my emails are to be believed.
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Postby Hallistar » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:31 pm

Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?

There is no peace. People fight wars over the stupidest thing! When we kill a solider, we affect the lives of a hundred people that knew him. People hate one another, more then they love life. We would rather eliminate our "enemy" then try to make peace. We would rather die for a cause then suffer in patience, we will not allow understanding.

There is no justice. When wrongs are done, there is no retribution. Those who play by the rules get beaten by the ones who cheat. People steal and lie and step on other people to get ahead. And then the person who was screwed then steps on another person and the cycle continues.

Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?

And i am only talking about people in western countries who have a choice how to life. There are billions of people out there who dont even have FOOD! Millions of people are dying ever day because they dont have the basic nessesities of life. Beautifull amazing people, who could become so much are stopped so quickly, their lives extinguished and they are forgoteen, forever....

Here is America there are people who eat more food then they should and then in Asia there are people who are starving to death.

Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless. We can do nothing to avoid our fate. We must struggle and die but we have it worse then the other animals. We can see the suffering around us, we can understand how it feels and we know we can do nothing about it. The animals are so focused on their own survival they can not feel this pain. Ignorance truly is bliss!

I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now. Your thoughts?


I ask myself that all the time. Everything is fucked up, and if the afterlife and eternal damnation is true, then it is a shitty unfortunate existence we live in. I'm considering not having children, even when I reach the time when I am able to support them, primarily because I don't know why I should introduce them to an existence that sucks.

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Postby Quelesh » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:47 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Quelesh wrote:In my view, life need not be a competition. Life is only a competition because we make it so.

Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.

What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole). We have taken many steps towards lessening the harsh results for the losers though, in some areas.


Yeah, you're right that life for non-human animals is often competitive. There's certainly competition between predator and prey, and also in some species competition between predators for food. Non-human animals (varying by species) are able to cooperate in many ways, though, and even very primitive humans often cooperated extensively, at least within their social units.

I should have said "because we let it be so," though, rather than "because we make it so." It generally requires active cooperation, or at least abstaining from aggressive actions, to reduce the competition in life. I do think, though, that it is not at all necessary for life to be competitive, and that we have the ability to, at least for the most part, make it not be so.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:14 pm

South Asia Minor wrote:
Archnar wrote:Whach the Zietgiest Movies and all will be clear

The entire message of the Zeitgeist movies is that the man has been keeping us down for millenia. It's nothing new.

It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I'm on the bottom all the time.
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Postby New Kilballyowen » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:26 pm

Risna wrote: Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?


I don't know who this "we" is. I think when you said "we", you meant to say "I". B/c while you may be making yourself miserable, there are plenty of us out here who are happy. Life is what you make of it. If you sit around all the time gnashing your teeth and moaning about the unfairness of the world, of course you won't be happy. Misery is self-perpetuating. Here's a thought: Be daring, as your signature suggests you advocate, and try to enjoy life. It really isn't hard.
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Postby Bottle » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:29 pm

Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?

There is no peace. People fight wars over the stupidest thing! When we kill a solider, we affect the lives of a hundred people that knew him. People hate one another, more then they love life. We would rather eliminate our "enemy" then try to make peace. We would rather die for a cause then suffer in patience, we will not allow understanding.

There is no justice. When wrongs are done, there is no retribution. Those who play by the rules get beaten by the ones who cheat. People steal and lie and step on other people to get ahead. And then the person who was screwed then steps on another person and the cycle continues.

Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?

And i am only talking about people in western countries who have a choice how to life. There are billions of people out there who dont even have FOOD! Millions of people are dying ever day because they dont have the basic nessesities of life. Beautifull amazing people, who could become so much are stopped so quickly, their lives extinguished and they are forgoteen, forever....

Here is America there are people who eat more food then they should and then in Asia there are people who are starving to death.

Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless. We can do nothing to avoid our fate. We must struggle and die but we have it worse then the other animals. We can see the suffering around us, we can understand how it feels and we know we can do nothing about it. The animals are so focused on their own survival they can not feel this pain. Ignorance truly is bliss!

I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now. Your thoughts?

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ANGEL: It doesn't.

KATE: Doesn't what?

ANGEL: Mean anything. In the greater scheme or the big picture, nothing we do matters. There's no grand plan, no big win.

KATE: You seem kind of chipper about that.

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KATE: And now you do?

ANGEL: Not all of it. All I wanna do is help. I wanna help because I don't think people should suffer, as they do. Because, if there is no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing in the world.

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