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by South Asia Minor » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:26 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:South Asia Minor wrote:If God's up there he's in a cold dark room
The heavenly host are just the cold dark moons
He bent down and made the world in seven days
And ever since he's been a' walking away
Mixing with nitrogen in lonely holes
Where neither seraphim or raindrops go
I see an old man wandering the halls alone
Only a full house gonna make a home
...
Leaving me to doubt
All about God and his mercy
for if he truly does exist
Why did he desert me
In my hour of need?
I truly am indeed
Alone again, naturally.

by South Asia Minor » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:28 pm
Archnar wrote:Whach the Zietgiest Movies and all will be clear

by The Parkus Empire » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:30 pm

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by Quelesh » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:58 pm
Person012345 wrote:Life is a competition
Georgizm wrote:So really the starving Africans are getting off lightly.

by Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:04 pm
Person012345 wrote:Can =/= deserve to. I could kill someone, doesn't mean it's morally ok.
If you can and wish to - then it is fine as well... provided you can do it properly.

by Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:08 pm

by Wiztopia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:08 pm
Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?
There is no peace. People fight wars over the stupidest thing! When we kill a solider, we affect the lives of a hundred people that knew him. People hate one another, more then they love life. We would rather eliminate our "enemy" then try to make peace. We would rather die for a cause then suffer in patience, we will not allow understanding.
There is no justice. When wrongs are done, there is no retribution. Those who play by the rules get beaten by the ones who cheat. People steal and lie and step on other people to get ahead. And then the person who was screwed then steps on another person and the cycle continues.
Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?
And i am only talking about people in western countries who have a choice how to life. There are billions of people out there who dont even have FOOD! Millions of people are dying ever day because they dont have the basic nessesities of life. Beautifull amazing people, who could become so much are stopped so quickly, their lives extinguished and they are forgoteen, forever....
Here is America there are people who eat more food then they should and then in Asia there are people who are starving to death.
Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless. We can do nothing to avoid our fate. We must struggle and die but we have it worse then the other animals. We can see the suffering around us, we can understand how it feels and we know we can do nothing about it. The animals are so focused on their own survival they can not feel this pain. Ignorance truly is bliss!
I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now. Your thoughts?

by Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:14 pm
If you don't care about the problem of starving, and would be absolutely content to let it continue even if you had the easy opportunity to stop it, then sure, morally speaking that's as bad as starving them to death yourself. If you never get the easy chance to stop it, then we'll never know whether you care slightly or not.
Person012345 wrote:Can =/= deserve to. I could kill someone, doesn't mean it's morally ok.
If you can and wish to - then it is fine as well... provided you can do it properly.

by Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:15 pm
Person012345 wrote:Quelesh wrote:
In my view, life need not be a competition. Life is only a competition because we make it so.
Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.
What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole).

by Sol Bella » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:16 pm

by Malgrave » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:18 pm

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by Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:20 pm
Great Nepal wrote:Person012345 wrote:If he's starving to death and you know him, but don't help, sure. You can't help people you don't know, nor can you care about them.
And... I generally dont know those starving and I highly doubt French Union knows millions starving for him to have his current living standards...
If you don't care about the problem of starving, and would be absolutely content to let it continue even if you had the easy opportunity to stop it, then sure, morally speaking that's as bad as starving them to death yourself. If you never get the easy chance to stop it, then we'll never know whether you care slightly or not.
Now it would rather depend on how "easy" we are talking about, doesn't it? If I just had to press a button and give nothing of mine - sure (not cos I care about it, but more like - why not)... however if I have to send a message and give anything - no.
Person012345 wrote:No, it isn't. If I stole your car from you, and got away with it, you would consider that to be absolutely morally fine?
I will try to track you down and get furious... but if you could really get away with it - then that car now belongs to you.

by Dai Coon Ree » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:22 pm

by Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:23 pm
Great Nepal wrote:Person012345 wrote:Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.
What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole).
Or because lack of competition is undesirable?
and/or deluded (as a whole)

by South Asia Minor » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:24 pm
Malgrave wrote:It's cause the King of Nigeria is a tightwad with his cash. :unsure:

by Hallistar » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:31 pm
Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?
There is no peace. People fight wars over the stupidest thing! When we kill a solider, we affect the lives of a hundred people that knew him. People hate one another, more then they love life. We would rather eliminate our "enemy" then try to make peace. We would rather die for a cause then suffer in patience, we will not allow understanding.
There is no justice. When wrongs are done, there is no retribution. Those who play by the rules get beaten by the ones who cheat. People steal and lie and step on other people to get ahead. And then the person who was screwed then steps on another person and the cycle continues.
Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?
And i am only talking about people in western countries who have a choice how to life. There are billions of people out there who dont even have FOOD! Millions of people are dying ever day because they dont have the basic nessesities of life. Beautifull amazing people, who could become so much are stopped so quickly, their lives extinguished and they are forgoteen, forever....
Here is America there are people who eat more food then they should and then in Asia there are people who are starving to death.
Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless. We can do nothing to avoid our fate. We must struggle and die but we have it worse then the other animals. We can see the suffering around us, we can understand how it feels and we know we can do nothing about it. The animals are so focused on their own survival they can not feel this pain. Ignorance truly is bliss!
I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now. Your thoughts?

by Quelesh » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:47 pm
Person012345 wrote:Quelesh wrote:In my view, life need not be a competition. Life is only a competition because we make it so.
Tht's wrong though. Life was a competition before humans ever came about. Life is a competition because of the simple fact that if I have some advantage that means I am more likely to survive than you are, I am more likely to survive than you are. So whilst you die, I continue living.
What Humans CAN do, because we are capable of bettering ourselves, is stop it being a competition. But we never fully will because we're bastards and/or deluded (as a whole). We have taken many steps towards lessening the harsh results for the losers though, in some areas.

by The Parkus Empire » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:14 pm

by New Kilballyowen » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:26 pm
Risna wrote: Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?

by Bottle » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:29 pm
Risna wrote:The more I see the more BS I realize this whole system of "life" is. Some people have it good (like me) and some people are just totally screwed (the poor). Why are some people born with messed up bodies and minds? Why is there suffering? Why is life SO unfair?
There is no peace. People fight wars over the stupidest thing! When we kill a solider, we affect the lives of a hundred people that knew him. People hate one another, more then they love life. We would rather eliminate our "enemy" then try to make peace. We would rather die for a cause then suffer in patience, we will not allow understanding.
There is no justice. When wrongs are done, there is no retribution. Those who play by the rules get beaten by the ones who cheat. People steal and lie and step on other people to get ahead. And then the person who was screwed then steps on another person and the cycle continues.
Is this how life is susposed to be? We survive yes.... but we do not live! We are not happy, and we cant even talk about it with anyone because 90% of everyone else is going throug the same shit as us. Is life just about mediorcracy? Is that the best we can do?
And i am only talking about people in western countries who have a choice how to life. There are billions of people out there who dont even have FOOD! Millions of people are dying ever day because they dont have the basic nessesities of life. Beautifull amazing people, who could become so much are stopped so quickly, their lives extinguished and they are forgoteen, forever....
Here is America there are people who eat more food then they should and then in Asia there are people who are starving to death.
Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless. We can do nothing to avoid our fate. We must struggle and die but we have it worse then the other animals. We can see the suffering around us, we can understand how it feels and we know we can do nothing about it. The animals are so focused on their own survival they can not feel this pain. Ignorance truly is bliss!
I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now. Your thoughts?
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