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Postby New Sangheilios » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:08 pm

To put it simply, God is a mean kid with a magnifying glass. We're ants. Some ants happen to in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they get burned. By God. With a magnifying glass.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:08 pm

Keronians wrote:It really does.

Van Gogh was an exception to the rule, not the rule.

If not, then firms would not employ motivation theory.

(Yes, I know that's an odd example, but what else would you expect from a business geek?).

Art in particular is subject to this rule. The reason why firms don't try to make people miserable is because most people don't want to be there. The reason most great artists make art is because they want to make art. It may not make them happy, but it's an urge, a base desire. It may not make them happy, but, unlike working at a firm, it doesn't make them miserable.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:09 pm

Person012345 wrote:Yes, but I never made either of the claims you're refuting here.

As for the first one (I didn't quote), fair enough.

My apologies then, I thought you did.
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Postby Suidwes-Afrika » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:10 pm

Well, let's see, life's not fair. Life's not perfect. No way around it.

If you're looking for a better life, I recommend looking into a religion which promises one after you die. Uh...that's about the closest you'll ever get to 'perfect life', if you truly believe in it.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:10 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:And there is anything wrong with any of those how? I dont care about some random guy down the road, I care about myself and my family.

"selfish, adj. Devoid of consideration for the selfishness of others."

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And?
Never said I was not selfish, and so is almost everyone. However there is still nothing wrong with being selfish.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:14 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:"selfish, adj. Devoid of consideration for the selfishness of others."

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And?
Never said I was not selfish, and so is almost everyone. However there is still nothing wrong with being selfish.

There is, in my view. One can be selfish to an extent, where the significance to both you and the other party are equal, or it is greater to you, but people not caring is pretty much why our societies suck balls and always will.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:16 pm

New Sangheilios wrote:To put it simply, God is a mean kid with a magnifying glass. We're ants. Some ants happen to in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they get burned. By God. With a magnifying glass.

See, if it were just the magnifying glass, it wouldn't be so bad. We would eventually figure out the warning signs of the glass focusing on us, and adapt. But The Big Guy has the whole damn Junior Scientist kit, and he's a clever bastard to boot.

Or there could just be blind, unfeeling forces of nature we must master. Take your pick. :)
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:17 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:"selfish, adj. Devoid of consideration for the selfishness of others."

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And?
Never said I was not selfish, and so is almost everyone. However there is still nothing wrong with being selfish.

Then why do you call criminals "scums"?
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:17 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
New Sangheilios wrote:To put it simply, God is a mean kid with a magnifying glass. We're ants. Some ants happen to in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they get burned. By God. With a magnifying glass.

See, if it were just the magnifying glass, it wouldn't be so bad. We would eventually figure out the warning signs of the glass focusing on us, and adapt. But The Big Guy has the whole damn Junior Scientist kit, and he's a clever bastard to boot.

Or there could just be blind, unfeeling forces of nature we must master. Take your pick. :)

Don't be silly. Things surviving better because they are better at surviving? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:18 pm

Risna wrote:I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now.


Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, keep him warm the rest of his life.

Er, I think I meant "fish" not "fire", but I can't remember how that's supposed to keep him warm.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:19 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Risna wrote:I know there is no way to perfect the system but there must be....a better way then what we have now.


Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, keep him warm the rest of his life.

Er, I think I meant "fish" not "fire", but I can't remember how that's supposed to keep him warm.

He can rub the fish together to start a fire.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:22 pm

Person012345 wrote:There is, in my view. One can be selfish to an extent, where the significance to both you and the other party are equal, or it is greater to you, but people not caring is pretty much why our societies suck balls and always will.

Why does people not caring makes society suck ball, exactly? And anyway, significance is subjective -- everything of mine always has greater significance to me than stuff of other guy and vice versa.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:22 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, keep him warm the rest of his life.

Er, I think I meant "fish" not "fire", but I can't remember how that's supposed to keep him warm.

He can rub the fish together to start a fire.

Oh! Right! I'm so slow today. :(

I was also thinking it might be:

Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Teach a man to set fires, he can burn down the whole oppressive system! Viva la Revolucion! All power to the flaming people!
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:24 pm

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Great Nepal wrote:And?
Never said I was not selfish, and so is almost everyone. However there is still nothing wrong with being selfish.

Then why do you call criminals "scums"?

Because their actions directly caused harm to someone else... and they couldn't do it properly.
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Postby French Union » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:25 pm

Frankly if millions have to starve for my current living standred, which isn't that great compared to the majorty of the country, I'm fine with that. Why should I care?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:27 pm

French Union wrote:Frankly if millions have to starve for my current living standred, which isn't that great compared to the majorty of the country, I'm fine with that. Why should I care?

Because if the millions were modernized and thus didn't have to starve, you'd be enjoying a higher living standard?
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Postby French Union » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:28 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
French Union wrote:Frankly if millions have to starve for my current living standred, which isn't that great compared to the majorty of the country, I'm fine with that. Why should I care?

Because if the millions were modernized and thus didn't have to starve, you'd be enjoying a higher living standard?


Those millions of people who need to be payed western wages which would make the cost of living increase, further. There has to be people at rock bottom to raise other people.

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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:29 pm

Risna wrote:Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless.

I'm going to agree on this point. Both because the phrase "to be human with our great big brain" is hilarious, and because it probably was a dumb idea to build a 350 pound brain out of clay, duct tape and old scraps from the Cambodian killing fields. I mean, all it does is sit there, pulsing, humming and occasionally sending bizarre, cannibalistic nightmares to forever haunt the (smaller) brains of those who remained in it's presence for too long.

On the broader scale, the world as you know it only exists within your own view. The characteristics of the world that you live in are constructed from your perceptions, beliefs, prejudices and emotional itchiness. Those people who hate the world (such as myself, maybe you) hate it because they hate themselves and all they see of themselves reflected in the world. Maybe you can fix that. Or you can go crazy. I'm going crazy. But that's not really the world's problem or anyone else's fault. The issue is me.
So to answer your question: the world is not terrible, you are terrible. And also, you should be ashamed for trying to make the world feel bad. It is Saturday night, for goodness' sake, why you gotta be a dick to the world?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:30 pm

French Union wrote:Those millions of people who need to be payed western wages which would make the cost of living increase, further. There has to be people at rock bottom to raise other people.

Those millions of people who would be producing goods and services at Western levels, which would decrease the cost of living.
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Postby Maineiacs » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:31 pm

French Union wrote:Frankly if millions have to starve for my current living standred, which isn't that great compared to the majorty of the country, I'm fine with that. Why should I care?


If you actually have to ask this question, you wouldn't understand the answer. :palm:
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:32 pm

French Union wrote:Frankly if millions have to starve for my current living standred, which isn't that great compared to the majorty of the country, I'm fine with that. Why should I care?

In addition to what CM said, basic human decency? That attitude is actually as bad as if you were torturing someone by starving them yourself. Putting it out of your mind because you have to is one thing, but to not care in the slightest is another.

Why do you deserve to have a high standard of living directly due to the suffering of others?
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Postby Keronians » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:32 pm

French Union wrote:Frankly if millions have to starve for my current living standred, which isn't that great compared to the majorty of the country, I'm fine with that. Why should I care?


:palm:

Even avoiding ethics, business activity raises our standard of living.

If they modernise, engage in trade, that results in wealth creation, and accummulation, which in turn results in a higher standard of living.

In short:

1. Help people
2. They modernise and trade with you
3. ???
4. Profit!
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Postby Keronians » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:34 pm

French Union wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Because if the millions were modernized and thus didn't have to starve, you'd be enjoying a higher living standard?


Those millions of people who need to be payed western wages which would make the cost of living increase, further. There has to be people at rock bottom to raise other people.


No, it doesn't.

Supply will also increase, balancing out the increase in demand, thus resulting in equilibrium.
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Postby Risna » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:35 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:
Risna wrote:Despite the "amazing" experience it is to be human with our great big brain, it almost seems worthless.

I'm going to agree on this point. Both because the phrase "to be human with our great big brain" is hilarious, and because it probably was a dumb idea to build a 350 pound brain out of clay, duct tape and old scraps from the Cambodian killing fields. I mean, all it does is sit there, pulsing, humming and occasionally sending bizarre, cannibalistic nightmares to forever haunt the (smaller) brains of those who remained in it's presence for too long.

On the broader scale, the world as you know it only exists within your own view. The characteristics of the world that you live in are constructed from your perceptions, beliefs, prejudices and emotional itchiness. Those people who hate the world (such as myself, maybe you) hate it because they hate themselves and all they see of themselves reflected in the world. Maybe you can fix that. Or you can go crazy. I'm going crazy. But that's not really the world's problem or anyone else's fault. The issue is me.
So to answer your question: the world is not terrible, you are terrible. And also, you should be ashamed for trying to make the world feel bad. It is Saturday night, for goodness' sake, why you gotta be a dick to the world?

So I am a horrible person who deserves nothing short of death, WOW I DIDNT KNOW THAT! (sarcasm).
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Postby Mosasauria » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:35 pm

Fuck life.
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